40 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

all i know is that illit is a newjeans clone group to the point where even medias were confused so min heejin didn't tell a SINGLE lie

 

LOL lets be real western media could not tell apart SNSD from Gugudan

Jennie 

 

 

15 hours ago, OrbitNumber1 said:

 

Ooh, it's getting close! We may finally watch a new underdog tale in k-pop

it's still going up?? the song was released months ago 

The saltiness from users here over NJZ

Regardless what the court decides, the girls were obviously mistreated from a KNOWN awful corporation and its founder. 

21 minutes ago, Butters said:

LOL lets be real western media could not tell apart SNSD from Gugudan

not so much now

media outlets are usually fed this type of information beforehand, given that only a select few are allowed to enter the venue, which demonstrates that people were genuinely confused at first

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3 minutes ago, montacelo said:

The saltiness from users here over NJZ

Regardless what the court decides, the girls were obviously mistreated from a KNOWN awful corporation and its founder. 

that part

it's been proven that njz would have been shelved by their own company otherwise it's not rocket science lbr

need njz to release that song

tripleS are filming the MV for their new full group comeback (Stranger Things), so hopefully that means it's finally coming soon  

 

 

 

i think people here are overlooking two very important factors:

1. illit wouldn't exist in its current form if it wasn't for njz
2. le sserafim members would still have faced major backlash for their coachella set if it wasn't for njz

and another important factor is that there is a fraud member in **** 

 

can't believe she always cosplay my bias in aespa too  creepy

Edited March 25, 20251 yr by newaespa

 

1 hour ago, Maddox said:

To be honest, fans of both groups are choosing to be obtuse and find it convenient to blame MHJ. LSF was already getting criticism from the EASY MV, the Starbucks thing (which was silly) and their encore, same deal with Illit.

 

And again, MHJ was specifically talking about their agencies, like she literally said on her livestream that the members were not at fault. To me, it felt like it was a case of bad timing...

 

Also, let's not forget how Ador was publicly giving misleading info about Hanni's Visa situation to the press, directly leading to the "illegal immigrant" hate comments...

 

She had a softball question at her second press conference to redirect her supporters from continuing to scapegoat LSF/ILLIT and raking them over the coals (for "plagiarism", promoting cults, being pro-japanese, bang's maidens and worse) and she says this? I think its a bit generous to claim that she was considerate of any of the parties besides herself and NewJeans. I dont think its honest to insinuate that Fearnots blame the entirety of last year on MHJ - LSF were having a pretty tough year even before it blew up. But this magnified everything 10x, especially in Korea. Bad live singing allegations are something all groups go through and s but how does a group combat allegations that their group's very existence is an affront to NewJeans? that they are the evil stepdaughters to their Cinderella? It really saddens me what they were forced to go through, especially ILLIT from the very start of their career.

 

Quote

Yonhap News TV asks, "I think there are other idol members who got hurt in this dispute like BTS, ILLIT and Le Sserafim. What do you want to say to them?"
 
"Everyone got hurt, including NewJeans," Min says. "Not pinpointing specific person. But as I said before, I am a person, too. One of my employees told me that [the public] is firing at me like I'm not a person anymore. But I am, and the members are, too. I don't want to say anything to a specific person. But if everybody wants not to hurt everyone, they just have to stay silent. But they keep pushing it and bringing everyone up. That's how people get hurt. If people want to consider others, don't mention them." 

 

anyways there's a good reason that all of these grievances were laid out in court of law and addressed and the injunction still went through. who knows what'll happen in April though. (hedging in case they actually win and I get quoted )

57 minutes ago, Butters said:

LOL lets be real western media could not tell apart SNSD from Gugudan

they have no problem with other groups though 

33 minutes ago, Edu said:

i think people here are overlooking two very important factors:

1. illit wouldn't exist in its current form if it wasn't for njz
2. le sserafim members would still have faced major backlash for their coachella set if it wasn't for njz

like… especially lesserafim. all the backlash they got since the beginning of their career had NOTHING to do with newjeans

 

- bullying scandal

- plagiarism

- can't sing live

 

how is that newjeans' fault?? 

8 minutes ago, Butters said:

 

She had a softball question at her second press conference to redirect her supporters from continuing to scapegoat LSF/ILLIT and raking them over the coals (for "plagiarism", promoting cults, being pro-japanese, bang's maidens and worse) and she says this? I think its a bit generous to claim that she was considerate of any of the parties besides herself and NewJeans. I dont think its honest to insinuate that Fearnots blame the entirety of last year on MHJ - LSF were having a pretty tough year even before it blew up. But this magnified everything 10x, especially in Korea. Bad live singing allegations are something all groups go through and s but how does a group combat allegations that their group's very existence is an affront to NewJeans? that they are the evil stepdaughters to their Cinderella? It really saddens me what they were forced to go through, especially ILLIT from the very start of their career.

 

 

anyways there's a good reason that all of these grievances were laid out in court of law and addressed and the injunction still went through. who knows what'll happen in April though. (hedging in case they actually win and I get quoted )

what's wrong with what she said? 

 

a big media play lasted for some time before she did that press conference, she was called various names and a traitor - NJZ was dragged alongside too 

 

why should she be considerate of ILLIT and LSRFM if higher-ups at HYBE weren't thinking in such way about her and NJZ? she still did more for those groups than HYBE did during this whole situation towards NJZ and her. she treated them humanly acknowledging that the situation is tough for everyone involved - MHJ and NJZ too, obviously? but still, it happened because HYBE as a corporate decided so and revealed it all - why should MHJ be resposible for that mess? 

Are people forgetting that HYBE literally stated that they would put NJZ in a over 18 month long hiatus, since they were quote on quote "searching for Grammy producers to produce music for them" and this was before they left HYBE 

NJZ did the right thing leaving HYBE and fighting for their rights, especially when HYBE literally openly admitted to sabotaging them  

 

 

 

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I don't get this point of view when each and every group shouldn't be included in the situation, shouldn't be mentioned, should get an appology, everyone should be gentle with every HYBE group but NJZ and MHJ are supposed to get the lashings left and right, getting shelved, hated on and don't even make a sound and stand for themselves? 

 

HYBE went public with it so the only decision they had was to make a stand and prove their point, HYBE knew exactly at what expense it will be done. 

1 minute ago, Hazy said:

what's wrong with what she said? 

 

a big media play lasted for some time before she did that press conference, she was called various names and a traitor - NJZ was dragged alongside too 

 

why should she be considerate of ILLIT and LSRFM if higher-ups at HYBE weren't thinking in such way about her and NJZ? she still did more for those groups than HYBE did during this whole situation towards NJZ and her. she treated them humanly acknowledging that the situation is tough for everyone involved - MHJ and NJZ too, obviously? but still, it happened because HYBE as a corporate decided so and revealed it all - why should MHJ be resposible for that mess? 

The second press conference took place when she was riding off the high of the first one! Literally a media darling

 

She did what she thought would be the best for her and NewJeans, which was making HYBE's other gg's targets. I'm just arguing against the notion that Fearnots/Glitts(?) are misguided and brainwashed by HYBE or whatever in not taking her side and blaming her for the things they've gone through.

3 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

Are people forgetting that HYBE literally stated that they would put NJZ in a over 18 month long hiatus, since they were quote on quote "searching for Grammy producers to produce music for them" and this was before they left HYBE 

NJZ did the right thing leaving HYBE and fighting for their rights, especially when HYBE literally openly admitted to sabotaging them 

 

the way this made ZERO sense 

to be completely honest, the hate train lesserafim suffered was overwhelmingly because of their attitude towards their own coachella failure and amplified by hybe's attitude towards every other girl groups (like aespa)

4 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

Are people forgetting that HYBE literally stated that they would put NJZ in a over 18 month long hiatus, since they were quote on quote "searching for Grammy producers to produce music for them" and this was before they left HYBE 

NJZ did the right thing leaving HYBE and fighting for their rights, since their company literally openly stated that they where planning to shelve and sabotage them 

The reason this point hasn't held up well in court so far is that they told the parents that finding a western producer could take up to 18 months.. not that NJs were going on vacation for 18 months. Maybe their instincts were right? Guess we'll never know but I think its unlikely that HYBE would have withstood the public pressure from dungeoning their most successful group for a year and a half at the height of their career.

3 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

to be completely honest, the hate train lesserafim suffered was overwhelmingly because of their attitude towards their own coachella failure and amplified by hybe's attitude towards every other girl groups (like aespa)

the attitude being.... posting a minute long story of doja cat being edgy on stage and sakura's weverse letter to fans talking about how they really tried their best?  

i thought you were all about idols expressing themselves and not caring about imperfections or maintaining their image?

1 minute ago, Butters said:

The second press conference took place when she was riding off the high of the first one! Literally a media darling

 

She did what she thought would be the best for her and NewJeans, which was making HYBE's other gg's targets. I'm just arguing against the notion that Fearnots/Glitts(?) are misguided and brainwashed by HYBE or whatever in not taking her side and blaming her for the things they've gone through.

what did MHJ do to ILLIT and LSRFM? please enlighten me 

not her fault they already had other controversies before HYBE revealed her INTERNAL compliant and organised a witch hunt 

 

yes, she did those press conferences because she needed a platform to tell her truth! it wasn't only about her but also about the agency and group she, as the CEO, was responsible for! HYBE wasn't backing up ADOR in any way and they have a big PR machine behind them. what other solution would you suggest? how should she address it? 

 

Fearnots and Glitts should back up NJZ, because all of the groups were either mistreated or treated with negligence, because how can you internally put your own groups against each other, plot their downfall, steal from each other and act like it's okay? this is disrespectful to all of those groups from HYBE's side 

 

the level of misconduct is really big, but I have no idea why MHJ is blamed for it when those things were HYBE's idea? they basically used one of the best creative minds in the kpop business and thought they would be able to just dump her and her group like that, right after exploiting her ideas? 

This gross weirdo dogpiling on NJZ someone curb stomp this ****

 

 

11 minutes ago, Hazy said:

what did MHJ do to ILLIT and LSRFM? please enlighten me 

not her fault they already had other controversies before HYBE revealed her INTERNAL compliant and organised a witch hunt 

 

yes, she did those press conferences because she needed a platform to tell her truth! it wasn't only about her but also about the agency and group she, as the CEO, was responsible for! HYBE wasn't backing up ADOR in any way and they have a big PR machine behind them. what other solution would you suggest? how should she address it? 

 

Fearnots and Glitts should back up NJZ, because all of the groups were either mistreated or treated with negligence, because how can you internally put your own groups against each other, plot their downfall, steal from each other and act like it's okay? this is disrespectful to all of those groups from HYBE's side 

 

the level of misconduct is really big, but I have no idea why MHJ is blamed for it when those things were HYBE's idea? they basically used one of the best creative minds in the kpop business and thought they would be able to just dump her and her group like that, right after exploiting her ideas? 

It's funny because both of these groups will probably be shelved within the next few years and then their fans will be anti-hybe. 
 

People supporting evil conglomerates who take advantage of vulnerable people sound like zionists to me I genuinely hate BTS and their fugly fans and I hope they have a major scandal xx 

Edited March 25, 20251 yr by Cyanide