Im starting to think we would of been closer to a victory as Democrats and not have such a red government if Joe stayed in the race.

 

He beat trump last time by alot!

 

Thoughts?

No lol. It would have been worse

No, he polled worse across the board. 

 

If Kamala is losing the popular vote by possibly 2pts, he would have potentially lost it by 5

Biden wasn't the same as he was when debating for 2020

Not at all. Kamala was the right decision, Trump just was stronger. The world is ******. 

No, one of the biggest reasons of Kamala's loss was dissatisfaction with Biden.

No Democrat could have won this election.

No. He should have announced in the beginning that he wasn't running for re-election and let other candidates run and allow the constituents to vote in primaries. While I think that Kamala was a capable candidate, I don't know that she would have been the pick for president had we done things from scratch like a normal election. Too much bad will from her time as VP and also… misogyny 

Kamala did abmazing during their debate. Joe would have been BURIED.

No

1 minute ago, loveisdead9582 said:

No. He should have announced in the beginning that he wasn't running for re-election and let other candidates run and allow the constituents to vote in primaries. While I think that Kamala was a capable candidate, I don't know that she would have been the pick for president had we done things from scratch like a normal election. Too much bad will from her time as VP and also… misogyny 

Ding ding ding. Open primary from the beginning and we would have been fine.

won a free entry to the nearest retirement home maybe

No. 

One of the bigger issues weighing Kamala down was her association with Biden's presidency and her lack of meaningful achievements throughout it. Republicans kept pointing out that she was already "running the country" for the past 4 years.

 

This messaging would have been even more damaging to Biden, along with the fact that he's barely alive

Definitely not

5 minutes ago, loveisdead9582 said:

No. He should have announced in the beginning that he wasn't running for re-election and let other candidates run and allow the constituents to vote in primaries. While I think that Kamala was a capable candidate, I don't know that she would have been the pick for president had we done things from scratch like a normal election. Too much bad will from her time as VP and also… misogyny 

Pretty much. Him running for a second term was the beginning of the end. Nobody wanted a second term from him and by the time he dropped out, it was too late. The damage was done. Switching the nominee probably saved 4-6 democratic states from potentially flipping though.

 

There should have been a primary, even if it was only to battle test Kamala and give her national exposure before campaigning for the general election. 

He would've done better because he's a white man, but still would've gotten stomped on.

4 minutes ago, Almighty Gaga said:

He would've done better because he's a white man, but still would've gotten stomped on.

Don't think the white male privilege applies in this context, he would do worse than Kamala

 

Turnout with Dems would most certainly be even lower than it is now

6 minutes ago, Almighty Gaga said:

He would've done better because he's a white man, but still would've gotten stomped on.

Can we please stop with the identity politics? This is part of the reason that Kamala tanked so hard. Americans are tired of it

Biden was down in the polls in states like New Jersey. No, he wouldn't have won.

 

Kamala's biggest mistake was saying she wouldn't be much different from Biden.

No but they fvcked up replacing him with Kamala, we all knew how bad and unserious she was as VP and all of the sudden she was running for president? 

 

just straight up clownery but yall hyped her up because of brat summer and the memes 

DEMORATS ALONE are responsible for the Gaza massacre. Im so ******* happy they lost even though I'm a liberal by heart and rooted for Obama hillary and Biden.

 

If Biden wanted, he could have stopped Israel from doing all that with just one phone call. **** ALL OF THEM. I'm glad trump won. Atleast he will work in a different way and maybe potentially stop the war altogether.

yes. he has a strong base of support among older voters and organized labor. teamsters alone would have been enough to get him over the edge. he got 80 million votes in 2020. kamala got 60 million votes this year. i think 20 million additional votes in biden's favor would have helped quite a bit., don't you?

 

biden was already old and senile in 2020, and he won regardless. after the debate debacle, if the democratic party had made the case that, although he isn't what he used to be, he is well-advised (name his advisors) and still has good judgment, he would have had a better chance of winning this election than kamala.

 

kamala barely cracked 5% of the vote in the 2020 primary. she was a dismal candidate who had absolutely no base of support whatsoever. who would have thought that someone who never won any primary ever in their life, would lose against a FORMER PRESIDENT who won THREE primaries?! only the most obvious thing ever. she had no infrastructure or data or gotv base that comes from having won a year-long primary campaign across all 50 states. it was trump's race to lose, unfortunately.

 

that said, she did really well given she had only 100 days to pull it off. her campaign did everything right from that point on. but 4 months out from the election was simply too late to essentially APPOINT a candidate at the top of the ticket. if the party was going to push biden out, which i can see why they would want to, they should have done it 2 years ago and had an actual primary to find a candidate capable of winning over the voters and voting blocs they needed to win.

no he would've put up similar numbers to the Carter-Reagan massacre

 

47 minutes ago, Selegend said:

Not at all. Kamala was the right decision,

Biden would've lost too but Kamala was never the right decision. They should've selected the candidate by primary.