4 hours ago, Oxygen said:

And the way to achieve this goal is to disrupt the rallies of the only feasible candidate that could work towards ending the genocide? And potentially jeopardise a razor thin election?  

Do you think the 100 people who just died in an Israeli bombing of a school just 24 hours after the Biden-Harris admin announced no sanctions on the IDF are worried about Harris' margins in Pennsylvania?

 

I genuinely don't know how to engage with posts that so overtly mischaracterize truth and lie (Democrats actually do worse when they don't support pro-peace views! Majority of Democrats and Independents explicitly want a permanent ceasefire that includes an arms embargo!), and which show a continued cold discern for the immense suffering of the Palestinian people at the hands of America. This is not just Israel's genocide when nearly every bomb is plastered with "Made in America". 

 

It's extremely disappointing when people who have shown they know better - by knowing Trump and Republicans perpetuate harm - themselves fall back into these incantations of "goal post moving!' or "you'll never be happy!" that don't mean anything and ultimately serve to defend Democratic support for genocide.

I'm glad she was respectful of the protestors this time, but lip service isn't going to stop Bibi and IDF from bombing and raping Palestinians. It unfortunately feels pointless to ask for an arms embargo when they just approved $3.5B more, but they NEED to disarm these RACIST psychos. 

14 hours ago, Communion said:

What do you will have a bigger effect on fewer Palestinians being killed?

• 500 free hugs from Kamala for all Palestinian-Americans who run a small business for 4 years in a low income area
• Blocking 500 JDAMS from being shipped to Tel Aviv that would then be used to kill another 10,000 Palestinians in the course of 2 months

?

What do you think will have a bigger effect on fewer Palestinians being killed?

 

- A Harris presidency

- A Trump presidency

 

Harris has to actually win for the former.

Edited August 10, 20242 yr by Capris Groove

... or else!

 

Else: Nothing will fundamentally change.

4 minutes ago, Capris Groove said:

What do you think will have a bigger effect on fewer Palestinians being killed?

 

- A Harris presidency

- A Trump presidency

 

Palestinians largely are saying neither if Harris does not commit to an arms embargo and differentiate from Biden.

 

This again returns to the privileges of those more concerned with an election than a genocide to not realize the actual extent of the devastation occurring.

6 hours ago, Communion said:

Do you think the 100 people who just died in an Israeli bombing of a school just 24 hours after the Biden-Harris admin announced no sanctions on the IDF are worried about Harris' margins in Pennsylvania?

 

I genuinely don't know how to engage with posts that so overtly mischaracterize truth and lie (Democrats actually do worse when they don't support pro-peace views! Majority of Democrats and Independents explicitly want a permanent ceasefire that includes an arms embargo!), and which show a continued cold discern for the immense suffering of the Palestinian people at the hands of America. This is not just Israel's genocide when nearly every bomb is plastered with "Made in America". 

 

It's extremely disappointing when people who have shown they know better - by knowing Trump and Republicans perpetuate harm - themselves fall back into these incantations of "goal post moving!' or "you'll never be happy!" that don't mean anything and ultimately serve to defend Democratic support for genocide.

Yes actually, they should care! Because the alternative has said he will let Israel do whatever they want. Why would you contribute to letting him get into office?

 

I would want nothing more than Kamala enforcing an arms embargo, treating Netanyahu like the abhorrent war criminal that he is, and for Israel’s occupation of Palestine to end. I fail to see how being disruptive to Kamala’s rallies and jeopardising her campaign will help achieve this goal, like I asked above.
 

13 hours ago, Capris Groove said:

What do you think will have a bigger effect on fewer Palestinians being killed?

 

- A Harris presidency

- A Trump presidency

 

Harris has to actually win for the former.

I'm no fan of Trump, but since you asked the question, Republican presidents appear to have a better record in saying no to Israel.

 

Dwight Eisenhower
Dwight D. Eisenhower threatened economic sanctions and an aid cutoff to force Israel to withdraw from the Sinai Peninsula after it invaded Egypt in 1956.

 

Ronald Reagan
In 1982 Israel began a saturation bombing of Beirut. The bombing was followed by a protest to the Israeli government by President Ronald Reagan. Within 20 minutes of a phone call between Reagan and Begin, in which the former said the bombings were going too far and needed to stop, Begin ordered the bombings stopped.

 

George H.W. Bush

One of the most controversial moments of his single-term presidency was when Bush delayed Israel loan guarantees until it halted its settlement building in the West Bank and Gaza and entered a peace conference with the Palestinians, what would later became known as the Madrid Peace Conference. Eventually, Bush's diplomatic efforts worked and Israel entered the Madrid Peace Conference in October 1991.

 

There is no evidence that Harris will be better than Trump or other Republican presidents.

She is gonna get snatched at the debates if she doesn't take a clear stance that she knows how to defend it