1 hour ago, cuteboyzay said:

I think the reason why even Swifties were so angry at Beyonce doing so well with the Rennie Tour and CC Tour is because they know her demand is just as high as Taylor's and with 1/3 of the streaming numbers, KAJSJSJSJSJ!

 

Like imagine not having to sell 1,000 variants of an album. Being able to botch your releases, barely even promoting. And you still manage to break all-time records and nearly TRIPLING/DOUBLING those said "all time records" with half the dates khsjsjsjsjsjsj. 
 

The way Beyoncé is the legend that they try and hype their faves up to be. Her grossing 70M in ONE CITY for 5 dates is beyonddd words. No matter where, it's nearly impossible to do that.

The moment she departs on a true WW Tour again that spans around 80 shows, i fear its gonna be over for the girlies

 

7 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

The moment she departs on a true WW Tour again that spans around 80 shows, i fear its gonna be over for the girlies

 

ACT III tour will have the girls crashing out.

 

Can see her also touring LA, Asia and Australia for that tour.

1 hour ago, cuteboyzay said:

I think the reason why even Swifties were so angry at Beyonce doing so well with the Rennie Tour and CC Tour is because they know her demand is just as high as Taylor's and with 1/3 of the streaming numbers, KAJSJSJSJSJ!

 

Like imagine not having to sell 1,000 variants of an album. Being able to botch your releases, barely even promoting. And you still manage to break all-time records and nearly TRIPLING/DOUBLING those said "all time records" with half the dates khsjsjsjsjsjsj. 
 

The way Beyoncé is the legend that they try and hype their faves up to be. Her grossing 70M in ONE CITY for 5 dates is beyonddd words. No matter where, it's nearly impossible to do that.

If Beyoncé didn't have a family and an actual voice to worry about and could waste 2 years of her life on tour to break some record, she could easily break those records. Thankfully, she has more important things to worry about.

I can't see her touring outside NA and Europe just for act iii. I believe she will chose to do an act iii show just like with REN and CC, whether it's a CCT style tour or something else. However, if she does a trilogy tour or a career-spanning tour, I definitely expect her to visit the whole world. It would probably be her last time traveling the world and she's probably gonna want to break some records while she's still in shape 

9 hours ago, Airhead said:

All those song titles that people would post that was registered on ascap. 🤔 Most might be placeholders but Rock and Roll with Kid Cudi better be real.

Isn't that Pusha T ft Kid Cudi & Kanye that samples 1+1

 

I hope they both cross 500k soon.

Not Reddit trying to bring up capitalism since the news of Cowboy Carter tour grossing 70 million.Music is her ******* job and it makes since for her to make money based on her touring. There is an artist that is a billionaire based on beauty products and not music and I'm not seeing the critiques. These people have an agenda and are mad that Beyonce tour is selling. The fake intellectual movement will be talked about on a wide scale eventually. Points can't be given when it comes from a place of Biasness and jealousy

This always happens. People clown on Beyoncé when she's not touring then she comes back and everyone falls back in line again. 

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$168.517.493 – Cowboy Carter Tour (13)

$92.472.829 – Renaissance World Tour (13)

$70.158.419 – Formation World Tour (13)

the increase revenue for each stadium tour is wild.

Cowboy Carter doing almost double 

55 minutes ago, CallumDavies said:

This always happens. People clown on Beyoncé when she's not touring then she comes back and everyone falls back in line again. 

facts but cc era the hate felt unnecessarily louder.

 

After that blonde bimbo called out the old Carter family at the AMAs with Shaboozey It just hit me as to why Beyonce named the album Cowboy Carter 

 

From now on any search or reference for Carter and Country will be for her and this project and completely overtake that group. 
 

 

^ But didn't she name it like that because the first black Cowboy was named Carter?

18 hours ago, Chris said:

Since when was it established Bodyguard was lipped?

 

Quickly.

It is lipped tho... Just compare videos from every night, the audio is the same each time

19 hours ago, Devin said:

$70,284,615

iktr

 

That's crazy and in this economy


 

 

 

all her previous tours are incredible, but there's just something undeniably transcendental about the RWT and CCT

3 hours ago, BnPac said:

^ But didn't she name it like that because the first black Cowboy was named Carter?

The Carters are known as the "The First Family of Country Music."

 

They were a white family group that completely took their music from black country artists (particularly a black man) to make profit.

 

From Wiki:

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The Carter Family received $50 for each song recorded, plus a half-cent royalty on every copy sold of each song for which they had registered a copyright. By 1930, The Carter Family had sold 300,000 records in the United States. Realizing that he would benefit financially with each new song he collected and copyrighted, A.P. traveled around southwestern Virginia to find songs to record; he also composed new songs. In the early 1930s, he befriended Lesley "Esley" Riddle, a black guitar player from Kingsport, Tennessee. 

Essentially, The Carter Family, was taking black songs, re-recording them as their own, and taking the money/royalties while the Blacks was taking advantage of. It's a cycle that still happens.

 

She was reclaiming that story by calling her album "Cowboy Carter." It is actually a brilliant title when you study the history of The Carter Family.

Edited May 31, 20251 yr by simon

 

she needs to save Freakum Dress for the Act III tour so she can bring back the rock bridge >>>

 

 

Some more info on this + Carter is also Jay's last name

 

 That's because until recently, Riddle, an African-American musician from Kingsport, had gained little recognition for the important contributions to the music he made as a contemporary of the Carter Family.

    Riddle was born in Burnsville, N.C. in 1905 and moved to Kingsport a short time later. He had a rough life coming up -- a gun accident took two fingers on his picking hand and he lost a leg during an industrial mishap in Kingsport --  and he didn't make his living with music, never finding fame or fortune playing guitar or singing songs. But what he did accomplish left a lasting marking on the Carters and the history of country music.

    According to folk musician and folklorist Mike Seeger, A.P. Carter -- the famous song collector and patriarch of the Carter Family -- met Riddle at the house of Kingsport musician John Henry Lyons and the two formed what Seeger called a "special friendship'.

    Fresh off the now famous 'Bristol Sessions' of 1927, Carter was in need of more songs to record for the Victor label, he said.

    "A.P. and Lesley Riddle struck up a friendship and A.P. invited him up to Poor Valley," Seeger said. "Lesley came up there for maybe as much as a week and while he was up there Maybelle picked up several songs from him, including 'The Cannonball', and Lesley also picked up some songs from them, which is a familiar story in country music. It's that exchange between black and white musicians that really made American music American."

    Riddle's fingerstyle guitar playing, which he learned from African-American musicians like Gate City's Steve Tater also influenced the technique of Maybelle Carter's, Seeger said, who learned to play the 'Piedmont' blues and 'Bottleneck" slide styles of playing from him.

    Besides 'The Cannonball' , several other songs in the Carter Family's catalog were either taught to them by Riddle or bear some of his influence. Some of those included 'Bear Creek Blues', 'Blow My Blues Away', 'I Know What it Means to Be Lonesome', 'Let the Church Roll On and Lonesome For You'.

It was because of Riddle, who is described as a human tape recorder, that Carter was able to collect as many songs as he did from  African-Americans, especially those in and around Kingsport, said ETSU professor of Appalachian Studies Ted Olson, who wrote an essay on Riddle for Harvard's African-American National Biography.

    "A.P. was able to gain access to the African-American community and its musicians that he probably wouldn't have been able to gain if he had not been spending time with Lesley Riddle," Olson said. "Look at the number of songs the Carter family recorded that had blues in it, and that will give you a sense that they were getting access to African-American musical communities."

    While many of the songs the Carter family picked up from Riddle were blues numbers, he played more than just the one style, Seeger said.

    "Some of the things he did I wouldn't hardly call blues, just songs," he said. "A lot of people say that black people just did the blues, but they sang songs, and ballads too and the music was unique because it was based on a different experience and heritage."

    The working relationship between the two men was a symbiotic one, Olson said. A.P was an avid song collector, known to leave Virgina for weeks at a time to find the right songs. While Carter had a love for music, he wasn't much of a musician, which was Riddle's strength, he said.

    "It's often said that A.P was the word man, he remembered the lyrics," Olson said. "And Lesley Riddle was very strong in composition skills, he knew how to translate a melody to paper, so that's how they complimented each other so well, they both had talents and they were in complimentary areas. You might say that A.P. Carter needed Lesley in those early years for effective song catching."

    Many times those trips to find songs led the pair far from the hills of southwest Virginia. Traveling around the Deep South during the Jim Crow era was not always easy though. Riddle would drive on the trips, as was customary for that time. On the road, they would spend the night in different residences and go out of their way to look for eateries that would serve them both, Seeger said, although it didn't always work out.

    On a trip to Florida looking for songs, Carter's respect for Riddle was shown when they stopped at a diner in Georgia to eat. When the restaurant refused to serve Riddle, the two men abruptly left and returned to Poor Valley.

     "A.P. got hungry and he went in the front door and Lesley around the back and they wouldn't even serve him there," Seeger said. "So he went back in the front door and said. 'Mr. Carter they won't serve me out back.' So they both walked out, got in the car without a word and Leslie turned the car around and they went back to Virginia."

    After nearly five years, Riddle parted ways with the Carters. He married in the late 1930s and moved to Rochester, N.Y. with his wife in 1942. Not long after, he sold his guitar and gave up music for nearly 18 years before he was discovered by Seeger, who learned about Riddle from Maybelle Carter, in 1963.

    Seeger would eventually talk Riddle into taking music up again and help him record his only record, Step by Step, which was released by Rounder Records 14 years after his death in 1979.

    After all those years of obscurity due to the fact he gave up music and the racial norms of the time, Riddle is starting to get some recognition for his contribution to country music.He's also been featured on a PBS documentary about the Carter Family and was covered in detail in a chapter of the Carter Family biography 'Will You Miss Me When I'm Gone'.

    His home town of Burnsville recognized him last year with the first 'Riddle Fest', a now annual event held in his honor during February, and even named a recording studio in his honor in the town's Mountain Heritage Center.

1 hour ago, family.guy123 said:

Some more info on this + Carter is also Jay's last name

 

 That's because until recently, Riddle, an African-American musician from Kingsport, had gained little recognition for the important contributions to the music he made as a contemporary of the Carter Family.

    Riddle was born in Burnsville, N.C. in 1905 and moved to Kingsport a short time later. He had a rough life coming up -- a gun accident took two fingers on his picking hand and he lost a leg during an industrial mishap in Kingsport --  and he didn't make his living with music, never finding fame or fortune playing guitar or singing songs. But what he did accomplish left a lasting marking on the Carters and the history of country music.

    According to folk musician and folklorist Mike Seeger, A.P. Carter -- the famous song collector and patriarch of the Carter Family -- met Riddle at the house of Kingsport musician John Henry Lyons and the two formed what Seeger called a "special friendship'.

    Fresh off the now famous 'Bristol Sessions' of 1927, Carter was in need of more songs to record for the Victor label, he said.

    "A.P. and Lesley Riddle struck up a friendship and A.P. invited him up to Poor Valley," Seeger said. "Lesley came up there for maybe as much as a week and while he was up there Maybelle picked up several songs from him, including 'The Cannonball', and Lesley also picked up some songs from them, which is a familiar story in country music. It's that exchange between black and white musicians that really made American music American."

    Riddle's fingerstyle guitar playing, which he learned from African-American musicians like Gate City's Steve Tater also influenced the technique of Maybelle Carter's, Seeger said, who learned to play the 'Piedmont' blues and 'Bottleneck" slide styles of playing from him.

    Besides 'The Cannonball' , several other songs in the Carter Family's catalog were either taught to them by Riddle or bear some of his influence. Some of those included 'Bear Creek Blues', 'Blow My Blues Away', 'I Know What it Means to Be Lonesome', 'Let the Church Roll On and Lonesome For You'.

It was because of Riddle, who is described as a human tape recorder, that Carter was able to collect as many songs as he did from  African-Americans, especially those in and around Kingsport, said ETSU professor of Appalachian Studies Ted Olson, who wrote an essay on Riddle for Harvard's African-American National Biography.

    "A.P. was able to gain access to the African-American community and its musicians that he probably wouldn't have been able to gain if he had not been spending time with Lesley Riddle," Olson said. "Look at the number of songs the Carter family recorded that had blues in it, and that will give you a sense that they were getting access to African-American musical communities."

    While many of the songs the Carter family picked up from Riddle were blues numbers, he played more than just the one style, Seeger said.

    "Some of the things he did I wouldn't hardly call blues, just songs," he said. "A lot of people say that black people just did the blues, but they sang songs, and ballads too and the music was unique because it was based on a different experience and heritage."

    The working relationship between the two men was a symbiotic one, Olson said. A.P was an avid song collector, known to leave Virgina for weeks at a time to find the right songs. While Carter had a love for music, he wasn't much of a musician, which was Riddle's strength, he said.

    "It's often said that A.P was the word man, he remembered the lyrics," Olson said. "And Lesley Riddle was very strong in composition skills, he knew how to translate a melody to paper, so that's how they complimented each other so well, they both had talents and they were in complimentary areas. You might say that A.P. Carter needed Lesley in those early years for effective song catching."

    Many times those trips to find songs led the pair far from the hills of southwest Virginia. Traveling around the Deep South during the Jim Crow era was not always easy though. Riddle would drive on the trips, as was customary for that time. On the road, they would spend the night in different residences and go out of their way to look for eateries that would serve them both, Seeger said, although it didn't always work out.

    On a trip to Florida looking for songs, Carter's respect for Riddle was shown when they stopped at a diner in Georgia to eat. When the restaurant refused to serve Riddle, the two men abruptly left and returned to Poor Valley.

     "A.P. got hungry and he went in the front door and Lesley around the back and they wouldn't even serve him there," Seeger said. "So he went back in the front door and said. 'Mr. Carter they won't serve me out back.' So they both walked out, got in the car without a word and Leslie turned the car around and they went back to Virginia."

    After nearly five years, Riddle parted ways with the Carters. He married in the late 1930s and moved to Rochester, N.Y. with his wife in 1942. Not long after, he sold his guitar and gave up music for nearly 18 years before he was discovered by Seeger, who learned about Riddle from Maybelle Carter, in 1963.

    Seeger would eventually talk Riddle into taking music up again and help him record his only record, Step by Step, which was released by Rounder Records 14 years after his death in 1979.

    After all those years of obscurity due to the fact he gave up music and the racial norms of the time, Riddle is starting to get some recognition for his contribution to country music.He's also been featured on a PBS documentary about the Carter Family and was covered in detail in a chapter of the Carter Family biography 'Will You Miss Me When I'm Gone'.

    His home town of Burnsville recognized him last year with the first 'Riddle Fest', a now annual event held in his honor during February, and even named a recording studio in his honor in the town's Mountain Heritage Center.

This story is so beautiful! The fact that Beyonce brought attention to this with "Cowboy Carter" - this album is monumental on so many levels. It will continue to be researched more and more. 

3 minutes ago, simon said:

This story is so beautiful! The fact that Beyonce brought attention to this with "Cowboy Carter" - this album is monumental on so many levels. It will continue to be researched more and more. 

We should all go follow Lesley Riddle on Spotify. I just did.

His songs are bops :