charts discussion US Airplay Discussion

[Rico Shameless v2]

I was wondering if the Lights Down Low song was the one I was thinking of. My pop station plays the Not Your Dope Remix like all day.

[taylor__fan]

20 minutes ago, Mediabase said:

 

Sam Smith is actually getting great call out scores in big markets like New York and Los Angeles.

 

Those numbers we get to see for free are just a tiny national sample released by mediabase for free. In every market research and call out scores are different and stations and radio companies do their own reasearches. You think they rely on some tiny national sample released free on the net by mediabase that is completely irrelevant to their local market? Sometimes what works in one area doesn't work in others.

Yet you and others users that have defended those numbers in the past wont stop discussing them idespite them being absolutely useless

[State of Grace.]

22 minutes ago, taylor__fan said:

Yet you and others users that have defended those numbers in the past wont stop discussing them idespite them being absolutely useless

 

OT: New Rules is doing really well

[Sinister]

3 hours ago, brianc33710 said:

Okay @simmnfierzig and everyone else on ATRL. I have come up with a better term than "organic" to describe songs that grow at radio.

 

"Metric-Driven" airplay is airplay that grows based upon a song's sales, streaming, and All Access' Rate the Music scores until the song gains enough familiarity with the GP for the callout reports.

 

Yes, I know that labels will discount downloads to help drive their songs up the charts. But, if the GP buys the song and doesn't like it, the discount won't work. We've seen plenty of discounted songs that fail to catch on with listeners. The songs either never rise or they plummet after just a few days even at $0.69 US. Still, "Metric-Driven" airplay better describes songs that grow at radio due to listener popularity

than "organic."

It's simpler to say Organic because it's less typing

[Hurem]

7 hours ago, Mediabase said:

 

Sam Smith is actually getting great call out scores in big markets like New York and Los Angeles.

 

Those numbers we get to see for free are just a tiny national sample released by mediabase for free. In every market research and call out scores are different and stations and radio companies do their own reasearches. You think they rely on some tiny national sample released free on the net by mediabase that is completely irrelevant to their local market? Sometimes what works in one area doesn't work in others.

Do you have the access to the more detailed numbers?  

[Headlock]

7 hours ago, taylor__fan said:

Yet you and others users that have defended those numbers in the past wont stop discussing them idespite them being absolutely useless

Edited December 31, 2017 by Headlock

[brianc33710]

21 hours ago, Sinister said:

It's simpler to say Organic because it's less typing

Metric driven is more relevant to the charts. Organic is for your grocery stores and nurseries -- plants, not babies/toddlers -- for those ATRL members who consider English is a second language.  English consists of an over-prevalent usage multiple-meaning words, which makes it so much harder than should be necessary to learn our language. 

[Mediabase]

13 hours ago, taylor__fan said:

Yet you and others users that have defended those numbers in the past wont stop discussing them idespite them being absolutely useless

For those who don't have access to all the data radio stations have, that national sample is good enough.

 

How do you say they are useless? Whatever gets horrible scores even on that sample, stalls and flops. Unless you don't know how to read them.

 

Ready For It has a net positive of like 29% only. That's a bad bad bad score. And that's why it flopped. Sam Smith is at 40%. That's not bad. He has like the 7th best score and is at no6 on pop radio.

 

Songs with very high net positives like Havana are slaying.

 

So even though this is just a tiny national sample that does not specifically focus on certain important demographics for pop radio like females 18-25 years old for example, clearly there is a pattern no matter what you say.

 

Ready for It and Look What You Made Me Do had horrible scores and bombed. Havana has amazing scores and it's been slaying. What's so difficult to see?

Edited December 31, 2017 by Mediabase

[taylor__fan]

51 minutes ago, Mediabase said:

For those who don't have access to all the data radio stations have, that national sample is good enough.

 

How do you say they are useless? Whatever gets horrible scores even on that sample, stalls and flops. Unless you don't know how to read them.

 

Ready For It has a net positive of like 29% only. That's a bad bad bad score. And that's why it flopped. Sam Smith is at 40%. That's not bad. He has like the 7th best score and is at no6 on pop radio.

 

Songs with very high net positives like Havana are slaying.

 

So even though this is just a tiny national sample that does not specifically focus on certain important demographics for pop radio like females 18-25 years old for example, clearly there is a pattern no matter what you say.

 

Ready for It and Look What You Made Me Do had horrible scores and bombed. Havana has amazing scores and it's been slaying. What's so difficult to see?

RFI has a net posotove of 30.3 and sam 37.3. Thats in pop, in Hac, where i said he has bad callouts, he has 35.0 while RFI has 45.9, yet Sam is doing much better

 

Keep making more excuses when you were the one that had to admit on your post that they are useless

[Starkboy]

POP

1. Havana : 18.089 (-125) | 110.518 (-0.883)

2. Perfect : 17.092 (-74) | 106.171 (-0.934)

3. Bad at Love : 16.383 (+17) | 89.769 (-0.106)

4. New Rules : 12.586 (+85) | 78.512 (+0.324)

5 Rockstar : 12.320 (+31) | 65.761 (-0.104)

6. Too Good at Goodbyes : 11.907 (+53) | 61.578 (+0.004)

9. How Long : 8.816 (+9) | 46.235 (-0.132)

10. Wolves : 8.725 (-52) | 46.834 (-0.394)

 

12. End Game : 7.793 (-24) | 44.443 (-0.233)

13. Lights Down Low : 7.638 (+5) | 38.159 (-0.173)

14. Let You Down : 7.500 (-17) | 32.616 (-0.217)

16. Good Old Days : 6.494 (+12) | 32.494 (+0.020)

17. Let Me Go : 5.873 (+17) | 26.356 (-0.049)
18. Him & I : 5.096 (+165) | 28.712 (+0.737)

 

21. Young Dumb & Broke : 3.812 (-80) | 16.587 (-0.344)

22. Meant To Be : 3.755 (-33) | 14.196 (-0.174)

24. LOVE. : 2.608 (+11) | 12.609 (+0.282)

27 (+1) MIC Drop (Aoki Mix) : 2.259 (+68) | 7.338 (+0.057)

30 (+2) Tell Me You Love Me : 2.o46 (+45) | 6.676 (+0.161)

38 (+1) Lemon : 1.270 (+81) | 3.095 (+0.236)

 

HAC

1. Thunder : 6.713 (+20) | 43.946 (+0.111)

2. Perfect : 6.434 (+61) | 43.129 (+0.528)

5. Havana : 4.741 (+29) | 29.939 (+0.219)

8. Bad At Love : 3.939 (+45) | 23.445 (+0.254)

20. End Game : 1.713 (+40) | 11.043 (+0.019)

 

RHYTHMIC

1 Havana : 5.499 (+11) | 20.905 (-0.101) 

2. LOVE. : 5.371 (-50) | 31.613 (-0.165)

3. rockstar : 5.073 (-22) | 29.042 (-0.116)

8. Motorsport : 4.088 (-1) | 23.314 (+0.234)

9. Lemon : 3.536 (-24) | 17.745 (-0.252)

 

URBAN

1. LOVE. : 5.570 (-31) | 36.794 (-0.162)

3. Motorsport : 4.771 (-30) | 27.977 (+0.018)

6. The Weekend : 3.720 (-38) | 19.640 (-0.306)

10. Lemon : 3.190 (-48) | 18.757 (-0.204)

44. Bartier Cardi : 609 (+14) | 7.317 (-0.023)

 

AC

1 There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back : 1.836 (+306) | 13.036 (+2.214)

2 Something Just Like This : 1.729 (+273) | 12.610 (+2.253)

3 What About Us : 1.694 (+272) | 12.595 (+2.040)

4 Shape of You : 1.635 (+264) | 12.242 (+2.015)

5 Say You Won't Let Go : 1.343 (+203) | 8.679 (+1.388)

6 Perfect : 961 (+159) | 8.788 (+1.628)

7 Too Good At Goodbyes : 824 (+141) | 4.942 (+0.875)

8 Attention : 758 (+124) | 6.281 (+0.971)

9 Stay : 721 (+121) | 4.731 (+0.799)

10 Feel It Still : 609 (+88) | 3.873 (+0.598)

 

11 Believer : 593 (+91) | 4.808 (+0.800)

12 (+1) Slow Hands :  403 (+61) | 2.220 (+0.453)

13 (+1) Love So Soft : 376 (+65) | 1.391 (+0.210)

14 (+3) What Lovers Do : 345 (+53) | 2.775 (+0.398)

17 (+4) The Fighter : 249 (+49) | 1.417 (+0.233)

20 (+4) Praying :  203 (+25) | 1.147 (+0.084)

[abrahamjmr]

Has Perfect already surpassed Havana overall?

[Agenor]

3 minutes ago, abrahamjmr said:

Has Perfect already surpassed Havana overall?

Not yet, but it's just a matter of days.

 

http://kworb.net/airadio/

[abrahamjmr]

1 minute ago, Agenor said:

Not yet, but it's just a matter of days.

 

http://kworb.net/airadio/

 

 

Ed deserves it. I imagine this will still be around during Valentine's day.

[Hurem]

Beautiful Trauma:

POP: -34 spins / -0.192 audience

HAC: +53 spins / +0.529 audience

 

POP, wyd??  

[Sinister]

9 hours ago, brianc33710 said:

Metric driven is more relevant to the charts. Organic is for you grocery stores and nurseries -- plants, not babies/toddlers -- for those ATRL members who consider English is a second language.  English consists of an over-prevalent usage multiple-meaning words, which makes it so much harder than should be necessary to learn our language. 

3. developing in a manner analogous to the natural growth and evolution characteristic of living organisms; arising as a natural outgrowth.

4. viewing or explaining something as having a growth and development analogous to that of living organisms:

an organic hit, simply connects with the public...if it didn't, it's mot organic

 

[Phuccery, Inc.]

tf is happening with wolves

 

is it peaking already? or will it rebound 

[Headlock]

The debate over semantics in this thread 

[brianc33710]

@Sinister lol. I'll stick with metric-driven. It makes much more sense to me. 

[radioactived]

12 hours ago, Phuccery, Inc. said:

tf is happening with wolves

 

is it peaking already? or will it rebound 

It'll likely rebound after the freeze. At least I'm hoping it does. 

[trainsskyscrapers]

This is my favourite time of year radio-wise, as old stagnant songs are purged and new (or bubbling under) songs get a chance to shine. 

[Starkboy]

POP

1. Havana : 18.043 (+155) | 109.587 (+1.273)

2. Perfect : 17.021 (+68) | 104.529 (+0.468)

3. Bad at Love : 16.402 (+101) | 88.983 (+0.293)

4. New Rules : 12.657 (+161) | 78.568 (+1.081)

5 Rockstar : 12.210 (+26) | 64.234 (-0.084)

6. Too Good at Goodbyes : 11.841 (+70) | 60.551 (+0.240)

7. Thunder : 11.301 (+1) | 61.347 (-0.183)

8. What Lovers Do : 10.526 (-15) | 55.049 (+0.164)

9. How Long : 8.870 (+88) | 46.261 (+0.565)

10. Wolves : 8.778 (+81) | 46.244 (+0.302)

 

11. Sorry Not Sorry : 8.182 (+146) | 53.875 (+0.682)

12. End Game : 7.767 (+55) | 43.632 (+0.218)

13. Lights Down Low : 7.607 (+80) | 37.538 (+0.428)

14. Let You Down : 7.477 (+51) | 32.039 (+0.176)

15. Feel It Still : 6.963 (+118) | 41.793 (+0.219)

16. Good Old Days : 6.509 (+32) | 32.101 (+0.037)

17. Let Me Go : 5.858 (+41) | 26.100 (+0.433)
18. Him & I : 5.150 (+25) | 28.830 (+0.342)

 

21. Young Dumb & Broke : 3.895 (+5) | 16.819 (-0.142)

22. Meant To Be : 3.770 (+26) | 14.314 (+0.271)

24. LOVE. : 2.611 (-1) | 12.458 (-0.015)

26. ...Ready for It? : 2.443 (+34) | 10.146 (+0.211)

27. Mi Gente : 2.443 (-6) | 17.707 (+0.339)

28. MIC Drop (Aoki Mix) : 2.296 (+49) | 7.067 (+0.006)

29. Tell Me You Love Me : 2.o87 (+38) | 6.943 (+0.277)

 

HAC

1. Thunder : 6.932 (+175) | 43.989 (+0.804)

2. Perfect : 6.701 (+203) | 43.754 (+1.137)

5. Havana : 4.930 (+142) | 30.187 (+0.553)

6. What About Us : 4.930 (+149) | 31.404 (+0.967)

8. Bad At Love : 4.110 (+125) | 23.652 (+0.550)

10. Sorry Not Sorry : 3.252 (+104) | 19.710 (+0.542)

 

11. Beautiful Trauma : 2.833 (+105) | 17.811 (+0.393)

16. New Rules : 2.143 (+81) | 10.397 (+0.307)

20. End Game : 1.827 (+79) | 10.917 (+0.274)

 

RHYTHMIC

1 Havana : 5.412 (-32) | 20.238 (-0.220) 

2. LOVE. : 5.236 (-74) | 31.049 (-0.178)

3. rockstar : 5.006 (-9) | 28.677 (-0.249)

8. Motorsport : 4.042 (-8) | 23.233 (+0.052)

9. Lemon : 3.474 (-30) | 17.623 (-0.031)

 

URBAN

1. LOVE. : 5.403 (-54) | 35.105 (-0.660)

2. No Limit : 5.226 (+126) | 34.091 (+0.368)

3. Motorsport : 4.833 (+69) | 28.208 (+0.524)

6. The Weekend : 3.615 (-39) | 18.317 (-0.579)

8. rockstar : 3.453 (+75) | 23.026 (+0.157)

10. Lemon : 3.170 (+6) | 18.270 (-0.014)

11. Bodak Yellow : 2.943 (+70) | 23.525 (+0.250)

 

AC

1 There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back : 2.481 (+340) | 17.817 (+2.503)

2 Something Just Like This : 2.351 (+321) | 17.169 (+2.351)

3 What About Us : 2.282 (+322) | 17.331 (+2.514)

4 Shape of You : 2.239 (+333) | 16.883 (+2.612)

5 Say You Won't Let Go : 1.814 (+231) | 11.916 (+1.640)

6 Perfect : 1.288 (+188) | 11.866 (+1.574)

7 Too Good At Goodbyes : 1.160 (+155) | 6.915 (+0.945)

8 Attention : 1.067 (+162) | 8.920 (+1.310)

9 Stay : 989 (+135) | 6.726 (+1.048)

10 Feel It Still : 820 (+116) | 5.327 (+0.767)

 

11 Believer : 796 (+111) | 6.585 (+0.950)

12. Slow Hands : 555 (+87) | 3.174 (+0.517)

13. Love So Soft : 523 (+63) | 2.146 (+0.353)

14. What Lovers Do : 472 (+69) | 3.796 (+0.564)

16.  The Fighter : 332 (+41) | 2.007 (+0.296)

17. Praying :  277 (+41) | 1.556 (+0.226)

18. Thunder : 222 (+32) | 1.362 (+0.206)

20. Issues : 89 (+10) | 0.466 (+0.068)

 

23. ...Ready For It? : 81 (+11) | 0.280 (+0.045)

24. Friends : 77 (+24) | 0.142 (+0.056)

25. Look What You Made Me Do : 77 (+11) | 0.085 (+0.009)

30. Sledgehammer : 59 (+22) | 0.130 (+0.042)

[Hurem]

AC updates woo

[Green]

4 Shape of You : 2.239 (+333) | 16.883 (+2.612)  

[FAN]

Does anyone have the list of top Pop, HAC & Rhythmic adds for today? 

[brianc33710]

Why does this thread get so many fewer posts than the other three main chart threads? This is especially true With SOY having moved back up from 34 to 17, and having gained back 25 M on Kworb's AI since the previous Tuesday (which still misses year end rebounds at AAA, UAC, the other Spanish formats, Dance Mix-Play, and the tiny Rhythmic AC pool of stations). Also, with Hunt's Back Road has rebounded from 62 to 41 and increased 17 M in AI in the past week, there's plenty to talk about related to airplay. I know that there are other big 2017 year end rebounds too. But Ed and Hunt were just the two that I thought of right away.