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WHat does that have to do what I just said?. Many Argentinas and colombians como here with tourist visa, stay in Spain, search for a job and stay. That's literally happening with thousands of people every month here in Spain. And i'm not saying is a bad thing, i'm just saying that is happening, and it's the truth. One of my colleagues at my work is argentinian and the other peruvian and they both came the same way. So this just shows that when they use their argument that we have "too many people" is an excuse to defend their racism. And I don't want to defend any "muslim invasion" which by the way it's a stupid thing to say in a Spain that has been dominated by the muslims 7 centuries. Our whole architecture, gastronomy and culture is full of arab influences. And we have more similarities in the way we look with people in the North of Africa than with people in Sweden. Also it's funny how when RICH muslims have been coming to Spain for decades and opening 5-star resort hotels in Marbella and all around the country, nobody complaints, it's just when they are poor. 48.3K from the 50K that entered, already left. The rest are just walking around the city, with no shoes, no food and exhausted. Dozens of people died in the sea trying to get here. Also it's funny how the behaviour of some small groups of them is judged (fairly) because they are causing some trouble, while some small group of spaniards organized to hunt them on the streets, which is disgusting but gets silenced.

Girl literally how is your life getting worse due to this? Im in Spain and our criminal rates are the lowest ever on the country, our economy Is growing more than the average of The EU, in huge part of The contribution that migrants are doing. I live on a working class neighborhood in Madrid full of migrants and I live freely with no problems being gay.

No its not. Morocco is a disctatorship. Their citizens dont get to decide those antidemocratic values that you are complaining about. And many of The people that come are actually running away from them. Again in the case of many countries in África, they have these regimes as a result of EUROPEAN COLONIALISM. Meanwhile some europeans countries keep democratically electing parties that are cutting our rights in front of our eyes to The LGTB community and women. So no, things are not as simple as you are trying to paint them.

There are way more cultural similarities between Spain and Colombia, Morrocco, Venezuela, Cuba or Argentina (The places where The majority of ilegal migrants are coming to Spain), than Spain with Belarus, Poland or Latvia. And if you think otherwise, you need to get out more often. Not to mention there are countries in Europe with a muslim majority like Bosnia or Albania.

She cannot do that and she knows that, so it is just propaganda. I Guess this also might be to preserve those "european values" some mention on this thread. Oh wait, i forgot LGTB people cannot even marry in Italy...

It is your framing that makes absolutely no sense. Of course I would choose to continue living in Spain, but not based on LGTBQ policies only, but due to the hunger, antidemocratic regimes, lack of freedom and many other conditions that they have to live with (And that many times they have to deal with them due to how US, EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, left their countries after colonialism). And they are actually trying to get away from there due to those reasons, to try to get a better life. But I wouldn't move to belarus either, who just prohibited LGTBIQ "propaganda" and compared it to pedophilia. My point is that you say "protect the European values" as if we are some kind of gods of good morals that need to be protected from evil migrants while the reality is way more complex than that.

Girl, what is this non sense? The majority of videos are people working around and the majority of them already left peacefully on foot. 2 videos of a couple of groups dont represent more than 50k Also they literally needed to swim a fee minutes from their city to get to Ceuta, can they do that to go to UAE? Believing that they are uneducated and aggressive just or being Africans is actually VERY uneducated from you.

Exactly. Those calling migrants criminals and rapists since the moment they arrive (when the vast majority come here to work and support their families), are the ones expecting the migrants to integrate in our societies and adopt our values. Nobody can adapt in a society that rejects you.

Also those posts about us needing to be careful to protect the european values, the LGTB community and women. I understand what you mean but it's not like we don't have our own issues regarding these topics. Let's not pretend we don't have governments like Viktor Orban's who was openly homophobic and has been targeting the LGTB community for 15 years in Europe, up until just a couple of months ago. Not to mention that in maany countries in Europe it is still not legal for us to even get married. So maybe we should work a little bit on our own problems before stigmatizing migrants.

Everything is clearly an organizing move by the US, Israel and Morroco. What these countries want is first of all pressure Spain's government and secondly, to move the dicourse again about how muslim migrants are "invading" us and we need more restrictive migration policies, when the reality is that 35K people already cameback to Morroco. They are just basically trying to strenght their racist propaganda. The vast majority of Spain's ilegal migration comes directly through Barajas airport in Madrid. They come from South America as tourist and stay in Spain. The other big part come from other parts of Europe to buy properties in many regions of Spain, to the point they are creating entire neighborhoods full of foreigners. Many restaurantes, hotels, clubs and sometimes the entire neighborhoods in Canary Island, Palma de Mallorca or Valencia are dedicated to the English, German or French expats and tourists. All the Spanish are leaving because they cannot afford it. I'm not saying 50K people coming into a city of 80K population in a day is normal. of course it's not, it is not sustainable and we need to have deep conversations on how to handle the frontier and stop treating this as a very easy problem. I'm just saying that this doesn't only apply to this kind of migration. People having to leave their hometowns in some areas of Spain because they cannot afford them and they are full of English, French and Germans is also a local issue that needs to be discussed. Other example is that there are 250K ucranians that moved to Spain when the war started and they haven't left, but since they are blondes and white, nobody complains. But of course it is easier to blame everything in poor POC coming from Africa trying to find a safe future for their families. Also, all those mentioning the regularization that just took place as the reason fo this, but that choose to ignore all the movements that the US, Israel and Morrocco are doing, should know that this kind of legislation has been doing in Spain every few years, sometimes by right-wing parties a few years ago. So stop pretending that this is a "lefties" problem. Regularization of the situation of people that have been living and working in your country for years should be the normal thing to do.

I understand your point, but yet again you are generalizing by saying that leftiest in Europe are "white Europeans who are mad at Argentina", first of all because there are POC in Europe too, then there are many people that hasn't been insulting you or saying these kind of things (I haven't done that in this thread), and then Twitter vibes is not the reality. Spain is a very welcoming country for Argentinians and we just regularized dozens of thousands argetinians that are here so that they are registered and can work here with no problem. Not everything is what you see online. We even support all your female popstars and all of them are bigger than ever before here. (Lali, TINI, Maria Becerra, Emilia). And buying this argument and spreading it online is actually doing propaganda on your own. Then also, you are blaming only the rest of the world for your government actions because we believe the "anti-Argentina propaganda", when you should blame your government, your system and the people from your country for electing them believing their propoganda. If there is less respect for Argentina worldwide now than just 3-4 years ago, I am not going to pretend there might not be other reasons like you are suggesting, but it is in huge part due to your own government and your political alliances with The US and Israel. And you blame the rest of the world because your country is believing Milei's propaganda, when in reality he won the elections way before this and he has been leading the polls since then. So yes, maybe there are some people starting to believe his propaganda due to this kind of treatment from the rest of the world, and that is sad, but it's clear that your country doesn't need that kind of push to believe his lies. One of the most common critiques seen online these days is that you have news like this one popping up (the possibility of losing universal healthcare for everyone), yet the vast majority of argentinians don't seem to care and are too busy leaving hundreds of thousands comments in Rosalia's post due to a footbal game post. Go and oppose your government for these things, go and oppose your government for its ties with Israel, Go and force your celebrities to speak up about Israel. Not even Lali (who I deeply admire for how she usually stands for everything that is right) has said anything about it. I know many argentinians do this and probably you do too, but don't blame everything that is happening to Argentina on the rest of the world when in big part, you are doing this by yourself. in Spain we are probably going to have a right wing government next year that is going to do everything in their hands to sell our country for 1$ just like Milei does. And of course a lot of it has to do with Trump and the rest of the international reactionary right wing (like Milei Right now) using their power to take all left governments down. But when that happens I will be able to admit that our voters would be the first ones to blame and I will focus on helping to fight it through unions, associations and political alliances against it.

How is this related to anything that I have said in this thread or in that post? Bur yes, you are treated like a person here in Spain and you can go to a hospital to get free Universal healthcare. spain is full of argentinians. And after 2 years working here, you get spanish nationality. Lets see how long that lasts with your government trying to get anything public away from you while you are mad about a singer's opinión on a football game Also do you believe there aren't any POC peoplw being discriminated everywhere? What are you even trying to say with your point?

So both of you come to this thread to post multiple times crying about europeans and americans doing something (insulting, coming from the economic situation or Argentina, etc..) ... just for you to do exactly the same (generalizing, calling us ignorants and spreading lies since education and heathcare is free in many european countries). Talking about having superiority complex... Sure you will continue to believe you are the victims.

The thing is you believe that argentinians are allowed to overreact, say awful things about everyone, yet it is everybody else who needs to apologize. If Lali, Emilia, TINI Or Maria Becerra (for all of them, their second biggest touring market is Spain) did something like this, nobody in Spain would care and we wouldn't say anything negative about them But honestly it is clear that this is a stupid conversation so just think whatever you want.

Maybe because you are completely overreacting?

If you think she is mocking you because of posting with comic sans you dont even know Rosalia and this post is literally just a conpirancy theory of you pretending that you are victims and that the entire world hates you for no reason

Stop pretending as if some people online represent "the leftist in Europe". There were many viral posts before the final from Argentinians making fun of Spain saying "no podemos perder contra un país que colapsa por tener un apagón" in reference to a blackout that we had last year and I'm not going to come here and pretend that's the opinion of your entire country.

As if it isn't OBVIOUS that she posted it because of her song And you really believe she deserves to be booed at her show for posting a post supporting her country that was playing her song without any bad intentions? Even after she clarified that she didn't understand that the post was offensive and apologized for it?

I love it! she really did a very good job with this one and I think it's going to hit even more once we see the movie

This are good numbers and she usually has good longevity

It's clear that there are corrupts in PSOE too, they have always been there. But this case has a lot of media manipulation going on and trying to take the government down. But the Spanish right-wing PP, the most corrupted political party in Europe with hundreds of cases of corruption, funded by ministers from the dictatorship, whose entire structure (including its headquarters) have been proven to be economically financed ilegally, is going to try to give lessons about anti-corruption? Don't make me laugh...

I hope the left can mantain the government after next years' elections so that this trend can continue. It will be hard because it has been 9 years already and the cycle seems about to end + the worldwide rise of the far-right...

I agree that she is suffering due to this. She has so much music to stream that even I sometimes listn to one of my favs songs from her I think that I maybe haven't listen to it in weeks or even months. I do think that AH will have a revival in some years. I can also see YOYOK going megaviral some time and surpassing Karma overall streams. W,C,S and Hits different also have potential to do so.

Loved the interview and all the love that mirrorball has been getting from her lately. Truly a career highlight

Great interview