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Well Gaga peaked with her first album.

not really. she was an albums artist. 1990 - #24 - 19 weeks - 300,000 CM - Mariah Carey -------------------------- n/a - 2006 - Taylor Swift 1991 - #46 - 10 weeks - 185,000 CM - Emotions -------------------------------- 92,500 - 2008 - Fearless 1992 - #30 - 37 weeks - 300,000 CM - MTV Unplugged ----------------------- 60,000 - 2010 - Speak Now 1993 - #1 - 80 weeks - 1,510,000 CM - Music Box ----------------------------- 112,500 - 2012 - Red 1994 - #2 - 21 weeks - 380,000 CM - Merry Christmas ----------------------- 210,000 - 2014 - 1989 1995 - #1 - 43 weeks - 645,000 CM - Daydream --------------------------------- 95,000 - 2017 - Reputation 1997 - #7 - 26 weeks - 285,000 CM - Butterfly ----------------------------------- 70,000 - 2019 - Lover 1998 - #10 - 28 weeks - 502,500 CM - #1's ---------------------------------------- 62,500 - 2020 - Folklore 1999 - #3 - 19 weeks - 345,000 CM - Rainbow ------------------------------------ 52,500 - 2020 - Evermore 2001 - #7 - 5 weeks - 82,500 CM - Glitter ------------------------------------------100,000 - 2022 - Midnights 2001 - #36 - 5 weeks - 200,000 CM - Greatest Hits -----------------------------115,000 - 2024 - Tortured Poets 2002 - #32 - 5 weeks - 82,500 CM - Charmbracelet ----------------------------100,000 - 2025 - Showgirl 2005 - #14 - 32 weeks - 145,000 CM - The Emancipation of Mimi 2008 - #7 - 7 weeks - 47,500 CM - E=MC² 2009 - #27 - 2 weeks - 25,000 CM - Memoirs 2010 - #77 - 1 week - 50,000 CM - Merry Christmas II 5,085,000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1,070,000

This is very true. Imagine that.

Carey's peaks on the German singles charts: #17 - 1990 - Vision of Love #39 - 1991 - Emotions #32 - 1992 - I'll Be There #39 - 1993 - Dreamlover #1 - 1994 - Without You #17 - 1995 - Fantasy #25 - 1996 - One Sweet Day #38 - 1997 - Honey #12 - 1998 - When you Believe #8 - 1999 - When You Believe (also: #9 - Heartbreaker) #28 - 2000 - Thank God I Found You #57 - 2001 - Loverboy #36 - 2002 - Through The Rain #9 - 2003 - I Know what you Want 2004 - n/a #11 - 2005 - We Belong Together #63 - 2006 - Say Somethin' #60 - 2007 - All I want for Christmas Is You #7 - 2008 - Touch my Body #27 - 2009 - All I want for Christmas Is You #28 - 2010 - All I want for Christmas Is You #24 - 2011 - All I want for Christmas Is You #29 - 2012 - All I want for Christmas Is You #34 - 2013 - All I want for Christmas Is You #31 - 2014 - All I want for Christmas Is You #13 - 2015 - All I want for Christmas Is You #5 - 2016 - All I want for Christmas Is You #3 - 2017 - All I want for Christmas Is You #2 - 2018 - All I want for Christmas Is You #1 - 2019 - All I want for Christmas Is You #1 - 2020 - All I want for Christmas Is You #1 - 2021 - All I want for Christmas Is You #1 - 2022 - All I want for Christmas Is You #1 - 2023 - All I want for Christmas Is You #1 - 2024 - All I want for Christmas Is You #1 - 2025 - All I want for Christmas Is You #6 - 2026 - All I want for Christmas Is You #1 in - 8 individual years T10 in - 7 individual years (= 15 years) 1990 - 2003 = 14 consecutive years charting 2005 - 2026 = 22 consecutive years charting Albums peaks: #24 - 1990 - Mariah Carey #46 - 1991 - Emotions #31 - 1992 - MTV Unplugged #20 - 1993 - Music Box #1 - 1994 - Music Box #1 - 1995 - Daydream #8 - 1996 - Daydream #7 - 1997 - Butterfly #11 - 1998 - #1's #3 - 1999 - Rainbow (also #10 for #1's) #34 - 2000 - Rainbow #7 - 2001 - Glitter #32 - 2002 - Charmbracelet #51 - 2003 - Charmbracelet 2004 - n/a #14 - 2005 - The Emancipation of Mimi #86 - 2006 - The Emancipation of Mimi 2007 - n/a #7 - 2008 - E=MC² #27 - 2009 - Memoirs #77 - 2010 - Merry Christmas II 2011 - n/a 2012 - n/a 2013 - n/a #27 - 2014 - Elusive Chanteuse 2015 - n/a 2016 - n/a 2017 - n/a #67 - 2018 - Caution 2019 - n/a #65 - 2020 - The Rarities 2021 - n/a #97 - 2022 - Merry Christmas #2 - 2023 - Merry Christmas #2 - 2024 - Merry Christmas #3 - 2025 - Merry Christmas #46 - 2026 - Merry Christmas 14 consecutive years charting an album with 10 individual Top 10 years.

In that clip, did she really say that she likes rape and that the men should not be charged? Did she?

is $15 really the average? A music CD in Germany was sold for 34,99 Deutsche Mark = $23 and I know that In Japan CDs were also significantly more expensive than even in Germany. That's 2 top 5 muic industries right there. I assume that Switzerland and Austria had similar prices than Germany. Maybe it was sold cheaper in the US, but globally, i doubt it. A CD single was sold for 11,99 DM = $6,90. 1 CD single in Germany in 1996 = 1,900 Spotify streams. Some singles sold 1 million copies in GER = 1,9 BILLION streams. I doubt that we have yet seen songs being streamed that much in Germany since the inception of streaming. As you were saying, the metric is so unblanced. 1 album sale in 1996 = 5,830 streams needed. IF an album sold 1 million copies at that price = 5,83 BILLION streams in equivalent streams. That entire system is not equivalent to the physical era at all.

The fraud is frauding.

I feel really offended by that.

Girl, Christina had 4 solo hits when Clinton was still president.

also the notion that an album has to sell 20m copies within its first year is ludicrous... maybe Taylor can get more 10m sellers, but it takes time. It took time to sell those numbers in the 80s and 90s too.

... incomparable. Streaming is not sales.. it's more like radio.

Dishonest and unfair is to act as if the music industry began 15 years ago. Madonna only had sales from 1983 - idk 2014. To compare them is to compare sales versus sales bc streams did not exist back then. And the notion that it was easy to sell 20, 25 or 30 million copies per album back in the 70s, 80s, 90s... is simply uninformed. A product that sold 10m copies was a global hardcore uber-smash. I don't know what a song stream is and how it relates to that. But a full on album purchase was cultural impact. As I was saying in one of my earlier posts... the average CD album price in Europe in US dollar was $23 (adjusted for inflation over $50). So, it took effort to get a very expensive cultural product and Madonna was able to get people go and invest their money in her product with every single release she's had. 1983 - 2026 is longer than 2006 - 2026. 43 years versus 20 years. Madonna is by far the biggest female albums seller in history. Not because she's had 1-2-3 hit eras... because all of her music sold extremely well.

Bianca literally had her own album: Rainstorm.

Fact remains, Taylor has never seen those sales.... CM Madonna: 1983 - 2005 (9 hardcore uber-smash releases) 28,100,000 - 1990 - The Immaculate Collection 22,550,000 - 1986 - True Blue 21,250,000 - 1984 - Like a Virgin 16,000,000 - 1998 - Ray of Light 14,275,000 - 1989 - Like a Prayer 10,700,000 - 2000 - Music 10,100,000 - 1995 - Something to Remember 9,625,000 - 1983 - Madonna 9,325,000 - 2005 - Confessions on a Dancefloor -- Whitney: 1985 - 2000 (6 hardcore uber-smash releases) 41,100,000 - 1992 - The Bodyguard 21,900,000 - 1985 - Whitney Houston 19,800,000 - 1987 - Whitney 10,400,000 - 1998 - My Love is your Love 10,000,000 - 2000 - Greatest Hits 9,900,000 - 1990 - I'm your Baby Tonight -- Céline: 1993 - 2002 (6 hardcore uber-smash releases) 29,800,000 - 1997 - Let's Talk About Love 28,100,000 - 1996 - Falling Into You 22,900,000 - 1999 - All The Way 16,600,000 - 1993 - The Colour of My Love 11,900,000 - 1998 - These are Special Times 9,400,000 - 2002 - A New Day Has Come -- Mariah: 1990 - 2005 (7 hardcore uber-smash releases) 26,745,000 - 1993 - Music Box 20,545,000 - 1995 - Daydream 16,525,000 - 1998 - #1's 14,395,000 - 1990 - Mariah Carey 14,350,000 - 1994 - Merry Christmas 10,900,000 - 1997 - Butterfly 9,075,000 - 2005 - The Emancipation of Mimi ... and the music in between was mostly hardcore smashes, with the exception of: Madonna - having the biggest ever remix album by a female Mariah - having the biggest ever live albums by a female Céline - having the biggest ever French album TayTay had 1 album which sold over 10m copies globally.... ONE. (and none came even remotely close to 15m, let alone 20, or 25 or 30). Only a charts-ignoré with 0 music history knowledge would look at an album like Ray of Light and clutch their pearls bc it "only" sold 16m copies. Selling anywhere close to that was almost impossible... There is a reason why only 10/11 albums have ever hit 20m copies globally, incl. albums by these legendary artist. It was not a given at any time in music history to get a EARTH encompassing cultural-musical moment. ... and longevity... is another ballpark entirely.... MIMI with her xmas empire was literally #1 10 months ago, Madonna had a global #1 album just some weeks ago and MISS Céline who's just returned from a life-altering illness just sold out idk how many concerts for her Paris residency in record time. It's not rocket science that Madonna and her squad sh!te on the current pop girls. They individually layed the ground of what was even possible. Not to mention their rivalry with the 1-2-3 era smash wonders like Alanis, Tracy, Enya or Shania (that being said, also Carole KING). And nobody has mentioned Miss Streisand yet... who sold stable around 3-6 million copies per album... and she managed to do that with idk 32 studio album. LOL.

bc between Madonna's debut and 2015 that was the main metric. do the maths. Should we really compare streams of albums from 1972 to those of 2026? lol. At least sales are still around, streaming did not exist back then.