For months now, ive been following streaming data and i just find so much so obviously rigged.

Its been 2-3 weeks now where Golden has been pulling the exact same streaming numbers on a daily base, ranging from 7.4mio-7.8mio.

The same can be said about Back To Friends consistently pulling 5.2-5.6mio for weeks and weeks on. 

Same can be said about the entirety of the Hunter Soundtrack.

 

You had DWAS pulling 10mio streams for months consistently, and even now pulling those 3.5mio streams for weeks straight.

Same goes for One Of The Girls.

 

These are just examples, so please dont feel attacked. I truly just wanna hear.where you stand.

 

To me, its a strong indicator that algorithms and playlisting are at hand.

To me, theres literally nothing "organic" about songs pulling the exact same streaming numbers with no end in sight.

Further argument that supports my thesis is the way charts are more slow-paced than ever. Theres barely any movement any more. Songs latch on for months and months with no sign of dying down. Thats not a natural development of listening behavior. To me, its a clear sign of riggery.

 

What do you think?

 

Edited September 21, 2025Sep 21 by Kristie Kuwa

DWAS was everywhere here so yes I trust streaming numbers. 

One Of The Girls is the most obvious example, like you're not gonna convince me that was a smash fff

No swifties leave their laptops on loop for all her songs 

spotify is genuinely getting so fraudulent it's insane, like some of these numbers are just getting unrealistic 

Not when it comes to Paulina Rubio because I believe she should have bigger numbers given the big star she is.

Edited September 21, 2025Sep 21 by BorderBoy

It is not a secret that tracks can be inflated by playlists and auto-play, but for most tracks and artists the numbers seem to be valid. 

 

However, they can have questionable antics from time to time, especially when a song gains immense streams and a huge rise in positions without any legitimate reason (and usually falls even harder the days after). 

 

I don't believe that songs pulling similar numbers for months is untrustworthy though. If a song is a huge hit, it makes sense that it keeps pulling the same streaming numbers for a certain amount of time. 

 

 

Edited September 21, 2025Sep 21 by genio

Radio is still by far the most fraudulent format and nothing comes close 

looking at other platform numbers/positions, digital sales and overall metrics can help to verify a song's hit status.

for example DIE WITH A GRAMMY is a multi-generational, multi-cultural, worldwide juggernaut of a SMASH.

 

No lol we all know streams are mostly fake

Nope.

Maybe not but why should be trust label-reported sales or radio impact any more than we do streams from a service provider? 

3 minutes ago, RideOrDie said:

looking at other platform numbers/positions, digital sales and overall metrics can help to verify a song's hit status.

for example DIE WITH A GRAMMY is a multi-generational, multi-cultural, worldwide juggernaut of a SMASH.

 

Im not undermining DWAS, you can exchange DWAS with BOAF by Billie if it helps. Same story there.

We are talking about songs pulling these numbers for more than an entire year straight. 

 

Theres a reason that has never occured before to that extent. Not with Thriller, not with MHWGO by Celine, etc..

19 minutes ago, BorderBoy said:

Not when it comes to Paulina Rubio because I believe she should have bigger numbers given the big star she is.

It could be a fanbase are not big music streamers. Her fans might be of an older demographic and that's why her numbers aren't where you want them to be

Just now, DivaCup said:

It could be a fanbase are not big music streamers. Her fans might be of an older demographic and that's why her numbers aren't where you want them to be

What about the general public? An artist can't only rely on fanbases. 

If they're from Dua yes if they're from Billie no

6 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Im not undermining DWAS, you can exchange DWAS with BOAF by Billie if it helps. Same story there.

We are talking about songs pulling these numbers for more than an entire year straight. 

 

Theres a reason that has never occured before to that extent. Not with Thriller, not with MHWGO by Celine, etc..

people would buy those songs and listen for years on end. it's just that you wouldn't know about it cause we didn't know have daily listening stats. obviously there are shady streaming practices (even worse on radio), but it's not as much as you think 

4 minutes ago, BorderBoy said:

What about the general public? An artist can't only rely on fanbases. 

I don't know anything about Paulina's career but if she has an aging fanbase who isn't into streaming as much as other demographics, and little support from the GP, it would make sense why her streaming numbers aren't up to your expectations. Plus she is fairly local. 

If they're from dua yes if they're from sabrina no

 

But honestly no, i don't, what are the chances of songs having almost the same plays for days, do most people play the exact same music the exact same amount of times every single day?

why can't songs pull the same streaming numbers for months?  the world is very wide, some people might discover some songs later than others, not to mention people can keep streaming the same songs forever if they want to.

6 minutes ago, RideOrDie said:

people would buy those songs and listen for years on end. it's just that you wouldn't know about it cause we didn't know have daily listening stats. obviously there are shady streaming practices (even worse on radio), but it's not as much as you think 

this. the shelf life of a song is just extended now because, with streaming, our consumption of it is tracked infinitely. there are definitely other factors at play — algorithms, playlists, etc. — but in the past a person's consumption of a song (a purchase) was only tracked once

No, Katy is being boycotted 

8 minutes ago, DivaCup said:

I don't know anything about Paulina's career but if she has an aging fanbase who isn't into streaming as much as other demographics, and little support from the GP, it would make sense why her streaming numbers aren't up to your expectations. Plus she is fairly local. 

How can you say you don't know about her career and say she's fairly local? Gurl is huge in Latin America, Spain and some parts of the US so..

4 minutes ago, dangerousbutera said:

this. the shelf life of a song is just extended now because, with streaming, our consumption of it is tracked infinitely. there are definitely other factors at play — algorithms, playlists, etc. — but in the past a person's consumption of a song (a purchase) was only tracked once

Its not that i find it sus that songs are high in the charts only, its the consistency of their alleged consumption for weeks and months straight with barely any change. THAT is sus to me.

Nobody trust Tidal streams