7 minutes ago, Xalric said:

The sounds might be good but one thing about ITZY and Twice by default is the lyrics, every single era they suffered from mini scandal with JYP lyricism. Just like STAYC is suffering right now, B.E.P keeps getting panned lyrics after panned lyrics, that feel very outdated.

Kpop as a whole have atrocious lyricisms, the music is simply not good

Edited May 25, 20251 yr by Odette Violet

8 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

and after that? there's your answer

 

 

in this industry you need consistency and longevity 

 

this isn't what i was talking about though 

their titles since sneakers haven't been great so i understand why they didn't perform well

 

but their first 5-6 title tracks are all great which is why i'm confused

1 minute ago, hallucinate said:

this isn't what i was talking about though 

their titles since sneakers haven't been great so i understand why they didn't perform well

 

but their first 5-6 title tracks are all great which is why i'm confused

well those groups have simply better music output, branding and star factor like IVE have Wonyoung already so that helped them big 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

well those groups have simply better music output, branding and star factor like IVE have Wonyoung already so that helped them big 

 

 

 

but imo their concept and brand was also great 

maybe it's the timing idk… 

Just now, hallucinate said:

but imo their concept and brand was also great 

maybe it's the timing idk… 

I mean they debuted during the Blackpink reign where most girl groups were cosplaying them, they need something to STAND OUT 

 

SM understood this better 

Just now, Odette Violet said:

Kpop as a whole have atrocious lyricisms, the music is simply not good

Well Twice got pretty much heated arguments, at first the fans were like oh you're a hater that's why, but then when it's started to get to them the tunes changes. 

Now, for ITZY Dalla Dalla, Icy, Wannabe & Not Shy, they suffered because it was basically the same lyrics, which got them into a heated argument with Netizens who basically said, "We get it, you are different." However, the concept of ITZY being a different kind of girl but still doing basically everything the other girls are doing in the industry also didn't help them. 

same reason I don't see it for H2H and that kiikii whatever 

 

Ilit's management is smart for letting them to focus in Japan for the meantime. they love those magical girl / lolita aesthetics

Edited May 25, 20251 yr by Odette Violet

When will we get another year loaded with GGs domination like 2023 

 

Circle Digital Chart 2023 YE

#1 Ditto by NewJeans

#2 Hybe boy by NewJeans

#3 I AM by IVE

#4 OMG by NewJeans

#6 Kitch by IVE

#7 Queencard by i-dle

#9 Attention by NewJeans

#10 After LIKE by IVE

#11 UNFORGIVEN By LE SSERAMFIM

#12 Super Shy by NewJeans

#13 Spicy by aespa

#14 ANTIFRAGILE by LE SSERAFIM

#15 LOVE DIVE by IVE

#16 Teddy Bear by STAYC

#18 Eve, Psyche & the Bluebeard's Wife by LE SSERAFIM

 

75% of the YE being GGs only 

 

85% of the top 20 YE being women including Jisoo's Flower and YOUNHA's Event Horizon 

 

12 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

same reason I don't see it for H2H and that kiikii whatever 

 

Ilit's management is smart for letting them to focus in Japan for the meantime. they love those magical girl / lolita aesthetics

h2h's music is actually great and they're having a semi smash domestically but the members literally have nothing to offer for the time being. like NOT ONE of them is standing out. 

 

kiiikiii is literally cringe and have no concept 

32 minutes ago, hallucinate said:

this isn't what i was talking about though 

their titles since sneakers haven't been great so i understand why they didn't perform well

 

but their first 5-6 title tracks are all great which is why i'm confused

no lmao wannabe was their last good title

 

mafia in the morning is one of the worst kpop girl group song ever and that's when they started bombing 

 

also my honest and personal opinion is that itzy's vocals are genuinely impossible to listen to. they literally sound like someone scratching their nails on a chalkboard 

1 minute ago, Windy Day said:

h2h's music is actually great and they're having a semi smash domestically but the members literally have nothing to offer for the time being. like NOT ONE of them is standing out. 

 

kiiikiii is literally cringe and have no concept 

yall call everything smash nowdays

 

they're serving dollar store NJ and I'm a primary a NJ anti here 

 

SM's current girl groups is a lost cause, that includes Soo Man's chinese gg 

2 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

yall call everything smash nowdays

 

they're serving dollar store NJ and I'm a primary a NJ anti here 

 

SM's current girl groups is a lost cause, that includes Soo Man's chinese gg 

? is top 10 on multiple charts including the biggest platform not a smash? 

I'm the mafia (ma-ma-ma-ma-mafia-ya)
(We do it like a mafia)

 

 

 

Just now, Windy Day said:

? is top 10 on multiple charts including the biggest platform not a smash? 

yeah in one of the driest seasons. the bar is in hell   

2 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

yeah in one of the driest seasons. the bar is in hell   

i mean, many acts came back during that time and most of them bombed so a top 10 for a new SM girl group is nice

 

reminder that black mamba didn't even crack the top 50!! also everyone on here hated aespa during black mamba lmfao

Edited May 25, 20251 yr by Windy Day

speaking of aespa it's insane thinking of it now how everyone deemed them as a failure during the black mamba / forever days... 

 

SM girl groups always start dominating during their first comeback so i'm not really worried about H2H

Just now, Windy Day said:

i mean, many acts came back during that time and most of them bombed so a top 10 for a new SM girl group is nice

 

reminder that black mamba didn't even crack the top 50!! also everyone on here hated aespa during black mamba lmfao

should I congratulate them? I have to laugh. 

 

I wish them all the luck in the world cause aespa is a tough tough group to follow success wise despite not debuting in the Top 50

 

Just now, Odette Violet said:

should I congratulate them? I have to laugh. 

 

I wish them all the luck in the world cause aespa is a tough tough group to follow success wise despite not debuting in the Top 50

 

why are you pitting groups from the same company against each others tho? 

 

red velvet came out of their psycho mega smash when aespa bombed with black mamba and look at them now 

 

i think aespa will have longevity but i seriously don't understand that reasoning. more than one SM gg can be successful at a time yk

Just now, Windy Day said:

why are you pitting groups from the same company against each others tho? 

 

red velvet came out of their psycho mega smash when aespa bombed with black mamba and look at them now 

 

i think aespa will have longevity but i seriously don't understand that reasoning. more than one SM gg can be successful at a time yk

 why I shouldn't? I'm not a company stan.

 

I'm going to drag you if your material isn't up to par. Maybe everyone should considering the dying state of the industry 

Just now, Odette Violet said:

 why I shouldn't? I'm not a company stan.

 

I'm going to drag you if your material isn't up to par. Maybe everyone should considering the dying state of the industry 

they literally just debuted and have 2 songs 

 

aespa debuted with a commercial flop and severe plagiarism allegations 

anyway I have no hopes for H2H. First impression lasts and they didn't impressed me one bit

 

I was rooting for A20 but only for them to serve a aespa / NCT reject

 

 

 

all i'm saying is that if we're basing H2H on other SM gg when they debuted then they have big chances of offering high quality and success in the near future 

Just now, Odette Violet said:

anyway I have no hopes for H2H. First impression lasts and they didn't impressed me one bit

 

I was rooting for A20 but only for them to serve a aespa / NCT reject

 

 

 

i guess you didn't know aespa when they debuted because we were in the deepest trenches

 

2 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

all i'm saying is that if we're basing H2H on other SM gg when they debuted then they have big chances of offering high quality and success in the near future 

they have no taeyeon, luna, wendy and ningning

 

their concept is bore so does their music so what's there to stan?

 

 

aespa already gagged me at debut, maybe the bar is just too high for them

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Odette Violet said:

they have no taeyeon, luna, wendy and ningning

 

their concept is bore so does their music so what's there to stan?

 

 

aespa already gagged me at debut, maybe the bar is just too high for them

 

 

 

i agree, actually. that's why i said

 

30 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

the members literally have nothing to offer for the time being. like NOT ONE of them is standing out. 

BUT!!! i like The Chase. one of the best releases this year imo and a great debut song. idk if it's because i've heard it playing countless times but it's such an earworm