7 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

Palestinans have just as much a right to their land as Jews have to theirs. I support a two state solution and always have

And they can't live as a multi-ethnic state (just like almost any other in the world) because...?

 

A one state solution worked under the Ottoman Empire. It only became a problem when Zionists wanted to impose an ethnostate for themselves in there

Edited October 16, 20241 yr by BrokenMachine

Just now, Miss Show Business said:

Excuse me for caring about a persecuted group of people that this website has been slurring since October 7.

 

I won't cry a river. I will always speak out against anti-semitism.

Where is the said anti semitism 

8 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

I've said many times I don't agree with 100% of what IDF does, but that doesn't seem to matter to any of you.

 

I don't have a problem with criticizing Israel, when it's criticizing Israel. Trying to bash zionism 24/7 and comparing them to nazis is crossing the line, because it's bordering on antisemitic rheteric.

 

Any time I defend Jews on this website, y'all go in. And that's really sad considering there are plenty of Jewish LGBTQS who may be zionists. Jews are actively being pushed out of LGBTQ safe spaces *because* of the type of behavior exhibited in this thread.

WOMP WOMP *****. They can leave.

 

Have you actually said anything about queer Palestinians being targeted and blackmailed by Israel? NO. Because you are a fake ass genocide-supporting ghoul.

2 minutes ago, Arthoe said:

Good.

 

Zionism, just like any racial ideology of supremacy, should have NO PLACE. Zionism is not Judaism, and huge portion of Jewish people do not feel represented by Zionism or agree with it (probably because they too feel that it's silly to think you're superior just for the cirumstances you were born in). 

 

You will not conflate Zionism with what it means to be a Jewish person, these are two seperate things. 

 

 

A "huge" portion? That's not the truth. As I said before - 8 in 10 americans, something like 85% of Jews in America support Israel and feel a connection to Israel. That's an actual "huge portion", not the ones who call themselves anti zionists.

2 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

Excuse me for caring about a persecuted group of people that this website has been slurring since October 7.

 

I won't cry a river. I will always speak out against anti-semitism.

And excuse us for caring about an active genocide that was orchestrated around the Oct 7 attacks, which Netanyahu and the IDF had intelligence on for weeks before it occurred, so that it could be utilized in the beginning stages of a Gaza siege that has been ongoing since!

2 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

WOMP WOMP *****. They can leave.

 

Have you actually said anything about queer Palestinians being targeted and blackmailed by Israel? NO. Because you are a fake ass genocide-supporting ghoul.

More emotional outbursts. Get well soon.

1 minute ago, Miss Show Business said:

More emotional outbursts. Get well soon.

How have you turned a thread about Israel attacking the UN into a Jewish pity party 

 

One may say YOU are the anti semite

4 minutes ago, brraap said:

Where is the said anti semitism 

Suggesting that Jewish Zionists, which is 8 in 10 Jewish Americans or 85% of Jewish Americans, are somehow perpetrating the same ideology that murdered 6 million of their relatives, is deeply anti semitic. Whenever anybody on this website bashes Zionists, they're bashing 85% of American Jews, a huge majority of Jewish people.

 

It's not as easy to separate as some people would wish because so many American Jews (and most definitely Israeli Jews) identify as Zionists - they support the Israeli state.

ATRL: "Israel needs to stop attacking the UN and burning children alive"

 

Miss Show Business: "that's antisemitic"

Edited October 16, 20241 yr by byzantium

Just now, Miss Show Business said:

More emotional outbursts. Get well soon.

You referring to our posts as "emotional outbursts" only further confirms my point  

 

How does it feel being a morally bankrupt person who is not moved by the sight of butchered children, bodies of people burning alive, and entire villages being wiped out?

1 minute ago, brraap said:

How have you turned a thread about Israel attacking the UN into a Jewish pity party 

 

One may say YOU are the anti semite

Like I said above, we can criticize this without devolving into anti-semitic tropes. If you can't do that, then you have a problem: and it's rampant on this site.

Just now, State of Grace. said:

You referring to our posts as "emotional outbursts" only further confirms my point  

 

How does it feel being a morally bankrupt person who is not moved by the sight of butchered children, bodies of people burning alive, and entire villages being wiped out?

Nothing I say matters to you. Go ahead and keep proving everything I say true. You care about your ego, not Gaza.

1 minute ago, byzantium said:

ATRL: "Israel needs to stop attacking the UN" 

 

Miss Show Business: "that's antisemitic"

Literally not what I was responding to but okay

9 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

Suggesting that Jewish Zionists, which is 8 in 10 Jewish Americans or 85% of Jewish Americans, are somehow perpetrating the same ideology that murdered 6 million of their relatives, is deeply anti semitic. Whenever anybody on this website bashes Zionists, they're bashing 85% of American Jews, a huge majority of Jewish people.

 

It's not as easy to separate as some people would wish because so many American Jews (and most definitely Israeli Jews) identify as Zionists - they support the Israeli state.

No, it's not anti-Semitic to state that Zionists are engaging in and supporting the evil actions that they are objectively conducting.  And many Jewish Americans have been very vocally against Zionists this last year. 
 

If Zionists don't want to be associated with genocide, then Zionists shouldn't commit genocide.  

Edited October 16, 20241 yr by byzantium

2 minutes ago, byzantium said:

No, it's not anti-Semitic to state that Zionists are engaging in and supporting the evil actions that they are objectively conducting.  And many Jewish Americans have been very vocally against Zionists this last year. 

A loud minority does not equal a majority. It's like black voters for Trump - just because you see it on TV or reported often does not mean that it lines up statistically. My figures are accurate - 85% of American Jews support Israel.

1 minute ago, Miss Show Business said:

A loud minority does not equal a majority. It's like black voters for Trump - just because you see it on TV or reported often does not mean that it lines up statistically. My figures are accurate - 85% of American Jews support Israel.

Nothing you said here defends your claim that it is antisemitic to criticize Zionism.  

2 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

A loud minority does not equal a majority. It's like black voters for Trump - just because you see it on TV or reported often does not mean that it lines up statistically. My figures are accurate - 85% of American Jews support Israel.

Seek help.

If this is what they're doing to UN peacekeepers, many which are Italian from the far right government that strongly supports Israel, goes to show what they're willing to do to Palestinian and Lebanese, which include burning people alive. 

1 minute ago, Vegvisir said:

Seek help.

For quoting factual statistics?

BTW:

 

This is the actual study the user is trying to quote:

 

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-connections-with-and-attitudes-toward-israel/

 

It's a data sample from 2019-2020 about general attitudes of Jewish Americans towards Israel.

 

The question is not "Do you identify as Zionist?", the question is "Is caring about Israel essential to what being Jewish is to you?". The actual study also shows even 5 years ago, that a significant amount of the American Jewish population (16%) doesn't not care at all about Israel, while overall 37% gave the uncommitted "Idk I guess?" answer. 

 

The data also shows that older, Republican leaning Jewish people in America care more about Israel than other sample groups.  

 

What also is left out that between 2013 (the last time this was polled by Pew) and 2019, only 9% of the polled people said they did not care at all, a mere 6 years later the percentage almost doubled. Note that the polling was done 6 months before Israel, very controversially, invaded Gaza in 2021 and killed 256 Palestinian civilians and bombed and destroyed the headquarters of AP Press, which was a cultural turning point of how many younger Jewish people saw Isreali politics and Zionism as an ideology. 

Don't panic. Biden told them they have 30 days to stop being mean or else! 

58 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

Zionism means you believe in the protection and security of the state of Israel. Nothing more. Why would 8 in 10 US Jews, or millions of people, subscribe to a genocidal ideology? Because it's not genocidal at all, that's just what the Hamas supporters wish was true.

Hamas exist because of Israel's crimes and atrocities, not the other way around. Israel was founded by colonialism and with the help of zionist terrorist organizations like Irgun 

So what's going to happen to Israel in the future now almost the whole world hates them

Miss Genocide Business never fails to make a complete joke of themself

2 hours ago, ZeroSuitBritney said:

Miss Genocide Business never fails to make a complete joke of themself

You're making a joke of yourself with that Avi