1 minute ago, Miss Show Business said:

These are certainly words.

 

You're just a terrorist supporting, Hamas supporting apologist desperately trying to make yourself the most morally superior on a pop culture internet forum. I doubt you've so much as moved a finger for anybody suffering in Gaza.

 

You will never convince anybody of your beliefs because your posts are vile, accusatory, and do nothing to move the conversation forward. You only and up pushing more and more people away from the things you believe. You're your own worst enemy and refuse to see it. Sad!

Good luck with the karmic weight of the genocidal propaganda you're spreading left and right sis.

 

Hope it's worth it!

2 minutes ago, Luckitty said:

and that includes the ethnic cleansing of the native inhabitants?

No. Nowhere in the definition of zionism includes ethnic cleansing, or genocide.

 

Y'all proving once again that Jews are not safe on this website.

3 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

These are certainly words.

 

You're just a terrorist supporting, Hamas supporting apologist desperately trying to make yourself the most morally superior on a pop culture internet forum. I doubt you've so much as moved a finger for anybody suffering in Gaza.

 

You will never convince anybody of your beliefs because your posts are vile, accusatory, and do nothing to move the conversation forward. You only and up pushing more and more people away from the things you believe. You're your own worst enemy and refuse to see it. Sad!

irdgaf about convincing genocide supporting ghouls like you!

1 minute ago, Miss Show Business said:

Let me help you out.

 

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/zionism

 

 

Nationalist movements have no basis in reality, regardless of their "definition". Nice try though!

2 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

Zionism means you believe in the protection and security of the state of Israel. Nothing more. Why would 8 in 10 US Jews, or millions of people, subscribe to a genocidal ideology? Because it's not genocidal at all, that's just what the Hamas supporters wish was true.

Zionism^[a] is an ethnocultural nationalist^[1][b] movement that emerged in Europe in the late 19th century and aimed for the establishment of a Jewish state through the colonization^[3] of a land outside Europe.

 

 

Just now, Miss Show Business said:

No. Nowhere in the definition of zionism includes ethnic cleansing, or genocide.

 

Y'all proving once again that Jews are not safe on this website.

the zionists knew as early as the 19th century that they can not achieve majority without ethnic cleansing, ethnic cleansing and genocide is part of achieving zionism

 

anyways here's a book you can read to educate yourself, and by the way it was written by an israeli jew 

 

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-1948-Ethnic-Cleansing-of-Palestine-Pappé/053746de0026a13cde4bec6a8d03ca3f57db2ff8

Just now, Vegvisir said:

Nationalist movements have no basis in reality, regardless of their "definition". Nice try though!

Believe what you want. Israel is a state recognized by many countries around the world, Israeli Jews have a connection to the land that is Israel... Literally read about the Kingdom of Israel and the expulsion of Jews. Zionism was about Jews returning to their homeland they were kicked out of.

1 hour ago, Luckitty said:

maybe there should be an "israel vs un" megathread atp 

2 minutes ago, Arthoe said:

Zionism^[a] is an ethnocultural nationalist^[1][b] movement that emerged in Europe in the late 19th century and aimed for the establishment of a Jewish state through the colonization^[3] of a land outside Europe.

 

 

It's not colonization if you were there for thousands of years.

 

I could talk about arab colonization, but y'all don't care about that when it's arabs in the arab world.

Just now, Miss Show Business said:

It's not colonization if you were there for thousands of years.

 

I could talk about arab colonization, but y'all don't care about that when it's arabs in the arab world.

Proponents of Zionism do not necessarily reject the characterization of Zionism as settler-colonial or exceptionalist.^{[c][25][26][27]}

4 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

irdgaf about convincing genocide supporting ghouls like you!

I don't support genocide. Normal people do not support genocide. Your emotional outbursts aren't going to change these facts.

2 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

Zionism was about Jews returning to their homeland they were kicked out of

This rhetoric is useless. Are white people all around the world going to return to northern Europe then? That's the logic you're trying to apply

Herzl (father of Zionism himself), Jabotinsky, Nordau, Ben-Gurion, Ussishkin, etc: Zionism is a colonial endeavor, idea, adventure, project that aims to replace a population that already exists with a different one. 

 

Miss Show Business: Zionism is peaceful! Stop with the antisemitism!

 

Take it with your Zionism heroes and founding fathers, b-tch. Israel's establishment in the first place was possible only through genocide and ethnic cleansing. And in order to keep its Zionist nature and protect its power, Israelis keep denying the Nakba and Palestinians' right of return, and they keep enforcing apartheid laws. We've had enough of the pathetic attempts to justify Israel's existence when the physical manifestation of it literally cannot happen without displacing of Palestinians.

23 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

Israeli zionists... Of which many are literally jews. You cannot just ignore this little fact and pretend to not be peddling antisemitic tropes

And yet Jews on Israel who don't support Zionism views are being oppressed right now. Being against Zionism is not the same as being against Jews 

1 minute ago, BrokenMachine said:

This rhetoric is useless. Are white people all around the world going to return to northern Europe then? That's the logic you're trying to apply

I mean, don't plenty of white people return to Europe to see where there ancestors lived? I'm sure in fact many white people (the non-rah rah America kind) would live in Europe if they could.

2 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

Believe what you want. Israel is a state recognized by many countries around the world, Israeli Jews have a connection to the land that is Israel... Literally read about the Kingdom of Israel and the expulsion of Jews. Zionism was about Jews returning to their homeland they were kicked out of.

and Palestinians don't?

 

1 minute ago, Miss Show Business said:

It's not colonization if you were there for thousands of years.

 

I could talk about arab colonization, but y'all don't care about that when it's arabs in the arab world.

unfortunately for you, zionists were very vocal about their colonization (before it became uncool)

 

 

Jewish Colonization Association 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

I don't support genocide. Normal people do not support genocide. Your emotional outbursts aren't going to change these facts.

So you're priviliged enough that you can seperate yourself from "emotional outbursts" when Israel is using ABC weapons on UN peacekeepers and burning children alive?

 

Must be nice to be that emotionally dull. 

Just now, Arthoe said:

So you're priviliged enough that you can seperate yourself from "emotional outbursts" when Israel is using ABC weapons on UN peacekeepers and burning children alive?

 

Must be nice to be that emotionally dull. 

I've said many times I don't agree with 100% of what IDF does, but that doesn't seem to matter to any of you.

 

I don't have a problem with criticizing Israel, when it's criticizing Israel. Trying to bash zionism 24/7 and comparing them to nazis is crossing the line, because it's bordering on antisemitic rheteric.

 

Any time I defend Jews on this website, y'all go in. And that's really sad considering there are plenty of Jewish LGBTQS who may be zionists. Jews are actively being pushed out of LGBTQ safe spaces *because* of the type of behavior exhibited in this thread.

2 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

I mean, don't plenty of white people return to Europe to see where there ancestors lived?

They're doing it at gunpointing the natives and kicking them out of their homes too? There's your answer

So apparently this is Israel's modus operandi. Why aren't people calling this flat out terrorism 

 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massacres_committed_by_Israel

 

 

3 minutes ago, Luckitty said:

and Palestinians don't?

 

 

Palestinans have just as much a right to their land as Jews have to theirs. I support a two state solution and always have. I'm just tired of the constant rhetoric I see against Israel and zionism when I know what I and others believe and it's none of this nonsense.

16 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

No. Nowhere in the definition of zionism includes ethnic cleansing, or genocide.

 

Y'all proving once again that Jews are not safe on this website.

Cry us a damn river 

 

Go back to your kushy apartment and log off 

 

We are calling out Zionists who have an extreme view of Jewish propaganda in the same way you label Hamas as terrorists for their extreme Islamic ideologies 

3 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

Palestinans have just as much a right to their land as Jews have to theirs. I support a two state solution and always have. I'm just tired of the constant rhetoric I see against Israel and zionism when I know what I and others believe and it's none of this nonsense.

funny how you ignored everything else in that post lol

Just now, brraap said:

Cry us a damn river 

 

Go back to your kushy apartment and log off 

 

We are calling out Zionists who have an extreme view of Jewish propaganda in the same way you label Hamas as terrorists for their extreme Islamic ideologies 

Excuse me for caring about a persecuted group of people that this website has been slurring since October 7.

 

I won't cry a river. I will always speak out against anti-semitism.

7 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

I've said many times I don't agree with 100% of what IDF does, but that doesn't seem to matter to any of you.

 

I don't have a problem with criticizing Israel, when it's criticizing Israel. Trying to bash zionism 24/7 and comparing them to nazis is crossing the line, because it's bordering on antisemitic rheteric.

 

Any time I defend Jews on this website, y'all go in. And that's really sad considering there are plenty of Jewish LGBTQS who may be zionists. Jews are actively being pushed out of LGBTQ safe spaces *because* of the type of behavior exhibited in this thread.

Good.

 

Zionism, just like any racial ideology of supremacy, should have NO PLACE. Zionism is not Judaism, and huge portion of Jewish people do not feel represented by Zionism or agree with it (probably because they too feel that it's silly to think you're superior just for the cirumstances you were born in). 

 

You will not conflate Zionism with what it means to be a Jewish person, these are two seperate things. 

 

 

Edited October 16, 20241 yr by Arthoe