That TBC interview did Tyla no favors whatsoever and she was in a better position before going on there. If anything that interview gave more reasons for people to not like her as it didn't show her in a good light and Charlemagne aired out her team after the fact. 

 

Normani isn't going to sell music by going onto platforms that cater to people that are not her audience. If we're going to truly look at this objectively, Normani is someone people have to yank information out of. She talks in circles. A setting like Club Shay Shay or TBC would only highlight this further. I'm just not of the mindset that platforms like that would benefit her. It certainly hasn't done so with artist like Chloe Bailey.

 

The REAL issue right now is the fact that she's not performing and has no music videos out. It's so odd that her biggest selling factor (which is her talent) has not been showcased throughout this entire rollout. That's why her performing at the BET Awards was so important. We should've seen her on festival lineups by now and all we have is an appearance at a cookout and a rumored VMA performance. Her lack of performing throughout the years has done more damage than her lack of social media presence. It makes you wonder what the deal is on that because in interviews she comes off as hoping to wanting to perform. 

43 minutes ago, AFullMoonlight said:

That TBC interview did Tyla no favors whatsoever and she was in a better position before going on there. If anything that interview gave more reasons for people to not like her as it didn't show her in a good light and Charlemagne aired out her team after the fact. 

 

Normani isn't going to sell music by going onto platforms that cater to people that are not her audience. If we're going to truly look at this objectively, Normani is someone people have to yank information out of. She talks in circles. A setting like Club Shay Shay or TBC would only highlight this further. I'm just not of the mindset that platforms like that would benefit her. It certainly hasn't done so with artist like Chloe Bailey.

 

The REAL issue right now is the fact that she's not performing and has no music videos out. It's so odd that her biggest selling factor (which is her talent) has not been showcased throughout this entire rollout. That's why her performing at the BET Awards was so important. We should've seen her on festival lineups by now and all we have is an appearance at a cookout and a rumored VMA performance. Her lack of performing throughout the years has done more damage than her lack of social media presence. It makes you wonder what the deal is on that because in interviews she comes off as hoping to wanting to perform. 

I hear you and understand the Tyla take when it comes to TBC, but I take umbrage with this remark:
 

"Normani isn't going to sell music by going onto platforms that cater to people that are not her audience".

 

I disagree with the idea that TBC, TSR and similar aren't her audience. Because if they aren't her audience, then the likes of Elle, The Cut, and all them Pop pandering publications she goes to damn sure aren't lol. There will never be a reality where an artist who makes songs like Wild Side and Insomnia should think she has more of the audience's attention at Elle than she would on Urban platforms. I promise you, the Beckies do not care at all. 

 

The Black audience need not be lumped into one gumbo. I get it and I personally hate when people do that. But at the same time Normani is not such a nuanced case that we are going to sit here and pretend that the same Black Twitter that led the charge with the whole "Normani is that b*tch" after 5H aren't the same listeners of TBC, Hot 97, V103, and followers of TSR, Hollywood Unlocked . 

 

Yes, our girl is admittedly quite boring, verbose, and plain with her answers. But maybe that's an issue and area she has to work on rather than give her passes for bypassing promo avenues. 

 

The gotcha-gotcha is that she will not easily book the VMAs and BET Awards without first a profile. How do you get a profile? Release music and video output often and....promote it. It's an interconnected chain of events that has to occur to nab those big opportunities. 

 

Again, I think it's extremely spoiled of us and her (if that's how she thinks) to center our promotional expectations around big award shows when I'm sorry she has not earned it yet. We are jumping to level 7 when she's not even clearing the basic benchmarks of level 1 and 2. 

 

I literally have friends who work in music and adjacent fields who have broken down how award show and even festival pitching happens in granular detail. In the simplest terms, outside of great management, it literally is throwing everything and the kitchen sink (social followers, engagement, music video views, current media coverage, upcoming features, etc). Normani literally has next to none of that, so booking a show at this point is most likely comes down to goodwill and having support in high places or management leveraging one act on the roster towards opportunities for the other.

 

You mention Chloe. She doesn't sell and a lot people would attribute her opportunities to the Beyonce connection of it all, but she stays promoting SOMETHING and factually has a profile in the Black and somewhat mainstream space. As such, she will present as a much more enticing prospect to show producers and festival organziers. They literally crunch numbers and tangible data than the years-old "hype" we're hoping maturates into something with Mani. Which is why we tend to see the same artists doing the rounds.  

 

So in the grand scheme of things, it's the reason I get quite jarred by any kind of suggestion that Mani "shouldn't do this" or "shouldn't do that". I, like all of us, want the best for her. But it's vital they start doing the basics to facilitate the "more".

 

 

Edited July 8, 20242 yr by Cbreezy

Its kinda hard because Motivation was top 40 hit and Wild Side was a Top 15 hit but we dont have any hits for the VMAs this year.

15 minutes ago, Topaz said:

Its kinda hard because Motivation was top 40 hit and Wild Side was a Top 15 hit but we dont have any hits for the VMAs this year.

normani was already given a vma slot in 2019 before motivation was released, she just needed to release a song with a visual. 

@Cbreezy

 

I'm just not convinced that the same people camped out in TSR comments and the same people who keep up with anything Jason Lee are going to go up for Normani. Those people don't buy albums let alone stream stuff. I brought up Chloe for a reason. She's been on most of those platforms you listed and it hasn't translated to that audience buying into her music. In fact, those are the same people who drag her and all the other Black girls not doing well including Normani. TSR has posted three things about Normani this year that I know of and none of it was about her music. The most recent post was about her injury and the comment section was nasty, disgusting, and disparaging as is the norm for TSR. As a Black person, I don't care for TSR at all or any of those shady blogs like Hollywood Unlocked. She doesn't have to go on some of those platforms in order to further establish herself in the community. It's not even like Black people are completely unaware of Normani because I'm more willing to bet she has more support there than from Pop stans which if Spotify is anything to go by true. The people who keep up with TSR have a herd mentality. If the thing is to hate on somebody, that's what they'll do. They have to be told what to like and not to like.

 

My post wasn't even about why or not Normani should deserve a spot on a huge award show. I really don't care about what you think she deserves or not. That wasn't the point of my post which I thought was clear. I don't think Normani going on those platforms would benefit her as much as you think and more importantly why that's not even the issue when it comes to Normani. 

 

I do agree that her visibility in Black spaces could be better, but there are better ways of going about it. She should be performing at Black festivals and showing up to Black events. Normani got put on because of her performing ability. Why isn't she performing? I know why she isn't currently doing so, but why hasn't she performed at all so far? Even prior to the awards shows. That's more of concern than why she hasn't reached the TSR audience. She needs put out those music videos and start performing consistently again. Her strength is performing. She should be performing. 

There was a post about the Dopamine merch on youtube, so maybe things are moving 

 

Edited July 9, 20242 yr by toast

3 hours ago, AFullMoonlight said:

@Cbreezy

 

I'm just not convinced that the same people camped out in TSR comments and the same people who keep up with anything Jason Lee are going to go up for Normani. Those people don't buy albums let alone stream stuff. I brought up Chloe for a reason. She's been on most of those platforms you listed and it hasn't translated to that audience buying into her music. In fact, those are the same people who drag her and all the other Black girls not doing well including Normani. TSR has posted three things about Normani this year that I know of and none of it was about her music. The most recent post was about her injury and the comment section was nasty, disgusting, and disparaging as is the norm for TSR. As a Black person, I don't care for TSR at all or any of those shady blogs like Hollywood Unlocked. She doesn't have to go on some of those platforms in order to further establish herself in the community. It's not even like Black people are completely unaware of Normani because I'm more willing to bet she has more support there than from Pop stans which if Spotify is anything to go by true. The people who keep up with TSR have a herd mentality. If the thing is to hate on somebody, that's what they'll do. They have to be told what to like and not to like.

 

My post wasn't even about why or not Normani should deserve a spot on a huge award show. I really don't care about what you think she deserves or not. That wasn't the point of my post which I thought was clear. I don't think Normani going on those platforms would benefit her as much as you think and more importantly why that's not even the issue when it comes to Normani. 

 

I do agree that her visibility in Black spaces could be better, but there are better ways of going about it. She should be performing at Black festivals and showing up to Black events. Normani got put on because of her performing ability. Why isn't she performing? I know why she isn't currently doing so, but why hasn't she performed at all so far? Even prior to the awards shows. That's more of concern than why she hasn't reached the TSR audience. She needs put out those music videos and start performing consistently again. Her strength is performing. She should be performing. 

I think the disconnect with Chloe, in simplest terms, is her going from a young musical genius and amazing vocalist, to an attention seeking, low balling artist throwing out the worst singles. Her brand went from good girl to the wh0re next door in a year, after having one of the most amazing albums and performances run of the pandemic. She's not going to connect with ppl until she goes back to what ppl loved about her and her sister in the first place. 
 

With Normani, I believe CBrezzy are both on the right track, but with different end games. I don't think Normani should center herself around The Breakfast Club, The Shade Room or Club Shay Shay, but I feel like extending an olive branch wouldn't hurt. No one tuning into these platforms are particularly buying music, but Normani could use these platforms to leverage her presence in the black community. 
 

People tune into these shows and post for the mess, Normani is not in the place to talk about the mess, nor is it apart of her character. There is still a way to use each platform to her advantage, though:

 

• Use TBC to talk about creating a presence in the black community, past relationships that inspired the music (Fair, Insomnia) and navigating the industry with your career constantly on 'pause'. Talk about the difference in the treatment between men and women in the industry, because she's experiencing this everyday, even more as a women of color and a woman of a darker skin tone. 

 

• UseCSS to talk about creating music with other Divas in mind and detail the encouragement from them. Beyoncé, Kelly, Ciara and Janet have publicly shown love for her and her live performances, talk about how that inspires you. Give young black artist, especially young black woman, a detail look into the current state of the industry, more directly, the streaming era, and how it has took a toll on your craft. It's okay to talk about depleting the budget while recording and how that played part in the things down the line, Shannon's viewers are not as vicious to projects underperforming because they are he's to ppl giving details about the BTS experience. 
 

• Use TSR interviews to give a more insight of the need to show up in black spaces as an artist who can easily blend Pop and R&B. Ppl are used to Normani talking about how amazing a project WILL BE, so don't give any information that is not green-lit. Talk about how fashion places a huge part of creating a presence, because whether you like her looks or not, she's is always talked about after hitting a red carpet or posting on insta. Normani suffers from the need of ppl needing to know more about than you're willing to give, it's okay to appear relatable. 
 

I believe she needs to reimagine how she plans to insert herself in the realm of R&B. Though the music is great, she's is positioning herself into Pop market with no Pop music. To me, there is no point in alienating one genre and fanbase, when you could simply just cater to both with the right marketing and promotion. I understand she's wants to change her brand and direction, but the R&B girls are going through hell. Those girls would kill to have the attention and opportunities Mani gets, while she's struggling to insert her 'blackness' to a majority white market. 

The sweater is cute, wish she had more merch or unique cute posters like meghan

 

Terrell show was 12 days ago and was filmed a week before it aired… the video is done done she never would have showed him a rough copy of the MV knowing her so realistically what would they be waiting on RCA and management wouldn't have no problem approving the release because money was spent and the album is out … like why is nothing never smooth with her … the only thing I can think of possible happening is there waiting to release it with a deluxe to maybe increase more success…there where rumors on twitter from alllll of the insider pages and Tommy playing around on the live about one and just yesterday HER followed Normani and Normani even asking us what remix we want and stuff and her telling us HER was almost on the project 

1 hour ago, Hey200200 said:

Terrell show was 12 days ago and was filmed a week before it aired… the video is done done she never would have showed him a rough copy of the MV knowing her so realistically what would they be waiting on RCA and management wouldn't have no problem approving the release because money was spent and the album is out … like why is nothing never smooth with her … the only thing I can think of possible happening is there waiting to release it with a deluxe to maybe increase more success…there where rumors on twitter from alllll of the insider pages and Tommy playing around on the live about one and just yesterday HER followed Normani and Normani even asking us what remix we want and stuff and her telling us HER was almost on the project 

I really think it's the VMA's. Going back to her FH days, "Down" & "Angel"(⭐️ ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️) at the 2017 show probably trumps all of their other performances. It was a controversial hit, even with a flop (numbers wise) album. she then performed "Motivation", and that performance was bigger than the actual song. And, though I didn't caee for it, "Wild Side". 

 

I believe she looks at the VMA's as her biggest stage and she continues to conquer it. Problem now is, if she wasn't booked before the album cane out, I don't see them asking her back. 

 

Besides that, I can not see any viable reason to be withholding 2 visual promo pieces. 

I think she is definitely scared of the black spaces or atleast not as comfortable in them as the more diverse spaces. Y'all have to remember she was bullied for talking too white and not being as country as everyone else. I mean I can see the hesitation there but SZA went on the TBC when she was promoting her debut album. I truly think she needs to just drop some acoustic performances and try to get some buzz even before the VMAs (and that's if she's even booked). I truly don't understand the hype for the VMA's when to me all award shows are declining in viewership. 

7 hours ago, TizTiz said:

I think the disconnect with Chloe, in simplest terms, is her going from a young musical genius and amazing vocalist, to an attention seeking, low balling artist throwing out the worst singles. Her brand went from good girl to the wh0re next door in a year, after having one of the most amazing albums and performances run of the pandemic. She's not going to connect with ppl until she goes back to what ppl loved about her and her sister in the first place. 
 

With Normani, I believe CBrezzy are both on the right track, but with different end games. I don't think Normani should center herself around The Breakfast Club, The Shade Room or Club Shay Shay, but I feel like extending an olive branch wouldn't hurt. No one tuning into these platforms are particularly buying music, but Normani could use these platforms to leverage her presence in the black community. 
 

People tune into these shows and post for the mess, Normani is not in the place to talk about the mess, nor is it apart of her character. There is still a way to use each platform to her advantage, though:

 

• Use TBC to talk about creating a presence in the black community, past relationships that inspired the music (Fair, Insomnia) and navigating the industry with your career constantly on 'pause'. Talk about the difference in the treatment between men and women in the industry, because she's experiencing this everyday, even more as a women of color and a woman of a darker skin tone. 

 

• UseCSS to talk about creating music with other Divas in mind and detail the encouragement from them. Beyoncé, Kelly, Ciara and Janet have publicly shown love for her and her live performances, talk about how that inspires you. Give young black artist, especially young black woman, a detail look into the current state of the industry, more directly, the streaming era, and how it has took a toll on your craft. It's okay to talk about depleting the budget while recording and how that played part in the things down the line, Shannon's viewers are not as vicious to projects underperforming because they are he's to ppl giving details about the BTS experience. 
 

• Use TSR interviews to give a more insight of the need to show up in black spaces as an artist who can easily blend Pop and R&B. Ppl are used to Normani talking about how amazing a project WILL BE, so don't give any information that is not green-lit. Talk about how fashion places a huge part of creating a presence, because whether you like her looks or not, she's is always talked about after hitting a red carpet or posting on insta. Normani suffers from the need of ppl needing to know more about than you're willing to give, it's okay to appear relatable. 
 

I believe she needs to reimagine how she plans to insert herself in the realm of R&B. Though the music is great, she's is positioning herself into Pop market with no Pop music. To me, there is no point in alienating one genre and fanbase, when you could simply just cater to both with the right marketing and promotion. I understand she's wants to change her brand and direction, but the R&B girls are going through hell. Those girls would kill to have the attention and opportunities Mani gets, while she's struggling to insert her 'blackness' to a majority white market. 

Except nobody was buying CxH music either. We forget that everybody was for Chloe's antics while she was still performing with Halle and championing her to go solo. We're considering Chloe to be whoring herself out, but we have artist like Sexy Red doing minstrel shows on stage and people throwing hissy fits about her not winning awards? 
 

I think Normani focusing on getting back on stage and putting out her music videos is far more important right now. 

16 hours ago, Hey200200 said:

Terrell show was 12 days ago and was filmed a week before it aired… the video is done done she never would have showed him a rough copy of the MV knowing her so realistically what would they be waiting on RCA and management wouldn't have no problem approving the release because money was spent and the album is out … like why is nothing never smooth with her … the only thing I can think of possible happening is there waiting to release it with a deluxe to maybe increase more success…there where rumors on twitter from alllll of the insider pages and Tommy playing around on the live about one and just yesterday HER followed Normani and Normani even asking us what remix we want and stuff and her telling us HER was almost on the project 

def think there's remixes and a deluxe coming. obviously she's injured so there's a pause but i think we're getting a deluxe with the features we were supposed to get and videos.

14 hours ago, AFullMoonlight said:

Except nobody was buying CxH music either. We forget that everybody was for Chloe's antics while she was still performing with Halle and championing her to go solo. We're considering Chloe to be whoring herself out, but we have artist like Sexy Red doing minstrel shows on stage and people throwing hissy fits about her not winning awards? 
 

I think Normani focusing on getting back on stage and putting out her music videos is far more important right now. 

"Ungodly Hour" debuted at 24K, achieving a platinum hit single and a critically acclaimed #10 Hot R&B Songs single. The album has garnered praise for its classic status, earning three Grammy Award nominations, including one for a non-single track recognized for its exceptional lyrical storytelling and vocal performance. Considering this was the on the heel of the global pandemic and ranging BLM movemen, it's very good.
 

It is noteworthy how Chloe and Normani were once hailed as the new 'Beyoncé' or 'Janet', only for their paths to echo similarities. Both artists are known for their perfectionism, viewing their art as globally impactful, yet falling short of this grandiose vision.
 

Regarding the comparison to Sexy Redd, it is intriguing you'd compare the two. Chloe's transition from a bubbly child star to a more mature artist in "Ungodly Hour" was a gradual evolution, contrasting sharply with Sexy Redd's consistent persona. Chloe's recent shift towards a more provocative image, especially after her innocent beginnings, has caused some dissonance among her audience. In contrast, Sexy Redd's lack of any changes, besides gloating of her love for Trump, is not what I'd compare Chloe's unwarranted, loud and aggressive change to.

7 hours ago, TizTiz said:

"Ungodly Hour" debuted at 24K, achieving a platinum hit single and a critically acclaimed #10 Hot R&B Songs single. The album has garnered praise for its classic status, earning three Grammy Award nominations, including one for a non-single track recognized for its exceptional lyrical storytelling and vocal performance. Considering this was the on the heel of the global pandemic and ranging BLM movemen, it's very good.
 

It is noteworthy how Chloe and Normani were once hailed as the new 'Beyoncé' or 'Janet', only for their paths to echo similarities. Both artists are known for their perfectionism, viewing their art as globally impactful, yet falling short of this grandiose vision.
 

Regarding the comparison to Sexy Redd, it is intriguing you'd compare the two. Chloe's transition from a bubbly child star to a more mature artist in "Ungodly Hour" was a gradual evolution, contrasting sharply with Sexy Redd's consistent persona. Chloe's recent shift towards a more provocative image, especially after her innocent beginnings, has caused some dissonance among her audience. In contrast, Sexy Redd's lack of any changes, besides gloating of her love for Trump, is not what I'd compare Chloe's unwarranted, loud and aggressive change to.

You said all this to say? The post was about how people are viewing the two. Yes; CxH did some good things but they weren't that popular or a household name. My thing is Chloe lost steam before her album even came out. So her album was somewhat dead on arrival. However, all Normani had to do was literally save her announcement until late May and I guarantee she would atleast gotten 40-50k debut. She's known for doing stuff like that (Fair being an example). She's so caught up in this flawless jaw dropping roll out that half of her plans never even materialize before the album. Like how in the hell you been working on this album for 5 years but had no idea what the tracklist was until the week of. Like come on, she's all over the place. Even the whole trailer didn't really even do anything so to me she should've kept that(unless like I said she did a surprise drop.) 1:59 should've never been the first single and to me I think she released it so we didn't expect anything really upbeat. However, she and her team knew we wanted CP so should've just released it in its place. It would've made more sense anyway since the whole trending dance on TT. It's just missed opportunity after missed opportunity. She doesn't get timing and everything with her is perfection. She needs to know that a timeline is best for her as people don't expect the unexpected so they tend to forget. Hence, why she has 200k likes on the announcement and less then 20k sales. 

Candy Paint and All Yours should be big hits released with two killer music videos by now…. I really hate RCA !

 

 

no crutches??? i'm so happy she's getting/feeling better

46 minutes ago, NormaniQueen said:

no crutches??? i'm so happy she's getting/feeling better

I mean she could have a boot on. They made sure to drop out the bottom half. 

53 minutes ago, justifymythreads said:

I mean she could have a boot on. They made sure to drop out the bottom half. 

it looks like she didn't have a boot

Everything has been so annoying recently I've excused myself from any type of opinion. But I doubt we're getting a CP music video (useless waste of budget to be honest) and I honestly don't see her wanting to do any type of promo anymore. What exactly is her management doing? Is there anything lined up?

 

It's embarrassing to look forward to a barbecue. 

I'm just finally getting to watch the second Terrell video and the way she dragged Take My Time  like GIRL, someone wrote and produced this for you, stop this! 

2 hours ago, popularmoonlight said:

Everything has been so annoying recently I've excused myself from any type of opinion. But I doubt we're getting a CP music video (useless waste of budget to be honest) and I honestly don't see her wanting to do any type of promo anymore. What exactly is her management doing? Is there anything lined up?

 

It's embarrassing to look forward to a barbecue. 

Now let's not get ahead of ourselves. We're getting if RCA has anything to do with it. I think she's waiting for the VMA's which is to me is a very bad idea as the VMA's are at the tail end of Summer and CP should've been released to radio say before now. To me she should just release it that's what happened for Sabrina. Espresso just blew up over night. CP is not a fall single at all. 

14 minutes ago, justifymythreads said:

Now let's not get ahead of ourselves. We're getting if RCA has anything to do with it. I think she's waiting for the VMA's which is to me is a very bad idea as the VMA's are at the tail end of Summer and CP should've been released to radio say before now. To me she should just release it that's what happened for Sabrina. Espresso just blew up over night. CP is not a fall single at all. 

It's definitely giving a VMA premiere, which is completely asinine if she wouldn't be scheduled to perform. She should be on the verge of complete recovery, but it would still be a risk. 
 

BOTH videos should already be out be the time the award show come around to give her something to talk about on the carpet. How dreadful it would be to ask her about the videos still not being out in September! 

No way she's going to wait fot the VMAs to drop the CP video.  First it was a visual album and now a VMA premiere?? I think it's time to accept that we may never get this video just like the fair one.