4 minutes ago, Otter said:

Right, the Spotify performance tells us the song just burned out quickly, it was soon being outcompeted by album tracks with no radio presence or single treatent. No conspiracy needed lol.

The radio pull most likely accelerated the free fall. BMS is still getting more daily streams that every song on Renaissance except for Cuff It which she also tried to sabotage. There are multiple factors that are working against her and her songs and there’s only her to blame.

2 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

The radio pull most likely accelerated the free fall. BMS is still getting more daily streams that every song on Renaissance except for Cuff It which she also tried to sabotage. There are multiple factors that are working against her and her songs and there’s only her to blame.

I was going to say, BMS has some staying power. 

 

And for a song & album that the dream claimed was so important to Beyonce, I expected a little more from parkwood. 

3 minutes ago, carameldelight said:

And for a song & album that the dream claimed was so important to Beyonce, I expected a little more from parkwood. 

it’s doing the most important thing of all for her! 
 

Spoiler

 

People in here thinking TikTok songs are "organic" and just happen like that. Lol yall are funny.

They are often as orchestrated as radio songs in the past. Nothing organic about it.

Drake, Taylor, etc setting up Infos on Spotify to make sure people check out their albums, mass-spamming their stuff on playlists, working around and understanding the concept of algorithm.and using it to their advantage (while Team Beyonce just randomly posts stuff or overflows the algorithm and clearly has no clue about this stuff)

 

Thats what is unbelievably bad in terms of Team Beyonce.

6 hours ago, Blue Rose said:

I just want to know why they refuse to send her songs to radio. I genuinely thought this era would correct that because Columbia had a guy assigned to her to handle radio and he did an amazing job with BMS. I’m sure she fired him (I believe his name was Paul according to HDD) after seeing him do a good job. Never put 2 and 2 together, but this could explain the mysterious radio drops BMS randomly suffered. All the charts pages said they never saw anything like that before

By they, you must mean her right?  The same sis who was desperate to push Church Girl, no way that's the label. Bey has always been in charge of her singles 

 

2 hours ago, kimberly said:

I don't really understand asking for radio singles. Radio hits really mean nothing at this point. 

 

I would have pushed AHAP when the remix dropped. otherwise, there wasn't anything on the album naturally gaining momentum to send to radio, necessarily. ALIEN was the frontrunner when the album dropped, but they focused on getting BREAK MY SOUL to #1 and keeping it there, as they should. 

 

had she dropped music videos, performances, remixes without doing anything else, that would be weird. but currently it's apparent that she's not interested in chasing hit songs and isn't willing to do anything to promote a single, so I don't see the point in sending a song to radio for a #73 Hot 100 peak. all the songs charted and got their peaks already.

Radio singles drive 90% of clubs music tbh, and radio itself is still a huge platform which exposes people to new songs. Cuff It wouldn't have half it's stability around the globe without eventual radio suppoet, it's not just about chart positions either but just giving the song a chance to gain place in contemporary culture outside of core fans.

 

Like Heated should be a club staple but it ain't a single so instead were stuck listening to Cuff It... 

 

Of course radio is just one part of being a single but we deserved more singles 

Edited September 19, 20232 yr by Otter

18 minutes ago, cloudbusting said:

is it really that outrageous to just want her/her team to like… bare minimum get the songs where more people can hear them (playlisting + radio)? 

As frustating as it is, I don’t think that’s a Beyoncé thing. Most eras only have 2-3 singles now.

1 minute ago, Otter said:

By they, you must mean her right?  The same sis who was desperate to push Church Girl, no way that's the label. Bey has always been in charge of her singles 

 

Radio singles drive 90% of clubs music tbh, and radio itself is still a huge platform which exposes people to new songs. Cuff It wouldn't have half it's stability around the globe without eventual radio suppoet, it's not just about chart positions either but just giving the song to gain place in contemporary culture outside of core fans.

 

Like Heated should be a club staple but it ain't a single so instead were stuck listening to Cuff It... 

 

Of course radio is just one part of being a single but we deserved more singles 

Very well put!

1 minute ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

People in here thinking TikTok songs are "organic" and just happen like that. Lol yall are funny.

They are often as orchestrated as radio songs in the past. Nothing organic about it.

Drake, Taylor, etc setting up Infos on Spotify to make sure people check out their albums, mass-spamming their stuff on playlists, working around and understanding the concept of algorithm.and using it to their advantage (while Team Beyonce just randomly posts stuff or overflows the algorithm and clearly has no clue about this stuff)

 

Thats what is unbelievably bad in terms of Team Beyonce.

I remember after the Paris Club Renaissance night that she attended, I heard Cuff It in like 6 different videos from random influencers. The songs popular origins were organic but I'm certain labels also co-ordinate social boosts etc 

10 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

DIL, IASF, Bday (after irreplaceable took off), and a little bit of self titled due to drunk in love. All examples of radio hits and Beyoncé album eras assisting in multi platinum album sales and increase tour revenue. That’s undeniable. 

you are talking about the industry 20-15 years ago  proving my point, really.

 

radio has been on its journey to irrelevance since the advent of LimeWire, really, but especially since 2012-13 (when radio impression records were broken). I believe that record still belongs to Robin Thicke's "Blurred Lines" with over 228 million impressions in a week. last week's radio leader, Luke Combs' "Fast Car" had 77 million listeners. 

 

radio in 2023 is an additional chart booster for singles you are willing to promote with TikTok, streaming, downloads. but sending a song to radio alone will do nothing for an artist of Beyoncé's caliber besides a disappointing chart performance. 

27 minutes ago, mons†er said:

might sound like an a**hole saying this but a lot of you new fans want 2002-2010 Beyonce and unfortunately that will never happen again. she's definitely beyond the gimmicks and content just to stay relevant or have an album chart.it's just not happening. 

no, we just want a normal Beyoncé, one that doesn’t act like a 76 year old at your local retirement home

 

y'all love to act like there’s nothing between acting like a ghost and hustling like a 17 year old who’s fresh on the scene 

 

many of you are the first ones to call Lemonade’s era awful when no new fan i know would be complaining if Renaissance had even just half of the content Lemon’s era had

7 minutes ago, kimberly said:

you are talking about the industry 20-15 years ago  proving my point, really.

 

radio has been on its journey to irrelevance since the advent of LimeWire, really, but especially since 2012-13 (when radio impression records were broken). I believe that record still belongs to Robin Thicke's "Blurred Lines" with over 228 million impressions in a week. last week's radio leader, Luke Combs' "Fast Car" had 77 million listeners. 

 

radio in 2023 is an additional chart booster for singles you are willing to promote with TikTok, streaming, downloads. but sending a song to radio alone will do nothing for an artist of Beyoncé's caliber besides a disappointing chart performance. 

Lol, no I’m using Beyoncés past eras because that’s when she last tried. We know lemonade would have done much better and we are saying the same with Ren with a little bit of a push. That’s all encompassing with radio push, promo. Beyoncé took herself out of the competition at her own detriment. That’s my point.
 

I can give an example of Taylor, Adele, Olivia, Doja, etc currently still pushing multi platinum with strong radio support. 
 

And you are just wrong about radio, according to pew research it’s still America’s #1 reach medium, 91% of people who are 18 and up each month AND 82% of those 12 and up. 

Edited September 19, 20232 yr by sillycilla

4 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

no, we just want a normal Beyoncé, one that doesn’t act like a 76 year old at your local retirement home

 

y'all love to act like there’s nothing between acting like a ghost and hustling like a 17 year old who’s fresh on the scene 

 

many of you are the first ones to call Lemonade’s era awful when no new fan i know would be complaining if Renaissance had even just half of the content Lemon’s era had

I totally can understand where you're coming from and it's valid. I do think a lot Beyonce fans want 1998-2010 Beyonce. where she's doing each and every interview, performing on every award show, sending singles to radio, etc. that woman is burned out and I don't blame her. especially the 8 years between Austin Powers-IASF. Leomande's era wasn't awful, it was just boring but it matched the album, and she also gave that MTV performance, as well as the SB. 

11 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

no, we just want a normal Beyoncé, one that doesn’t act like a 76 year old at your local retirement home

 

y'all love to act like there’s nothing between acting like a ghost and hustling like a 17 year old who’s fresh on the scene 

 

many of you are the first ones to call Lemonade’s era awful when no new fan i know would be complaining if Renaissance had even just half of the content Lemon’s era had

Half of us cringed when during FWT she would put the mic out for the audience to sing and a lot of people didn't know the words. For a legend her status, that's terrible. 

 

I'm a casual coldplay fan and could still sing every song during their tour. 

Edited September 19, 20232 yr by carameldelight

I love how "Can we please have a regular rollout with a single being sent to radio and a music video posted?" gets met with "2007 Beyoncé is DEAD and she can retire when she wants!" 

Just now, sillycilla said:

And you are just wrong about radio, according to pew research it’s still America’s #1 reach medium, 91% of people who are 18 and up each month AND 82% of those 12 and up. 

radio is a dying format for music consumption, as evidenced by Nielsen numbers I provided. less than a third of the audience for the #1 song despite growing population.

 

people are still listening to the radio, of course. NPR is thriving. they are NOT listening to music on the radio as much as they did in 2013 and that is an undeniable fact that I'm sure you'l ignore.

 

Beyoncé doesn't have her heart in promoting singles. she's an album artist and doesn't make TikTok music. at this stage, sending a song to radio just so Hive can complain more about how badly it flopped isn't the tea. she needs to perform on award shows, give an interview or two, create moments that remind people how good she is. not a radio single that'll go nowhere. and she's already made it clear she doesn't have any interest in either of these things.

 

she'll drop her own documentary when she wants and Hive will watch it. that's the maximum promo she's willing to do at this point and the sooner y'all accept it, the better you'll feel about following this woman. 

unhinged dream: get her on the silliest possible interview spot and let loose 

 

sit her ass down on a live with terri joe or something 

 

The Power of Blue Ivy

16 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

The radio pull most likely accelerated the free fall. BMS is still getting more daily streams that every song on Renaissance except for Cuff It which she also tried to sabotage. There are multiple factors that are working against her and her songs and there’s only her to blame.

My good sis, BMS was the lead single and its only doing 20k-80k more daily streams than Alien Superstar, Heated, Energy... It's streams literally fell off a cliff and never recovered. Having already been a radio staple for 2months, there's no defending it's streams. But I agree she is mostly to blame, but some songs ( BMS) also just have slightly more niche appeal than others. There is no mystery to its radio performance, it got a big push approaching album launch hype and was dropped afterwards because interest in the song burned out quickly from the GP

2 minutes ago, QueenB said:

I love how "Can we please have a regular rollout with a single being sent to radio and a music video posted?" gets met with "2007 Beyoncé is DEAD and she can retire when she wants!" 

All of this! LOL

6 minutes ago, Otter said:

My good sis, BMS was the lead single and its only doing 20k-80k more daily streams than Alien Superstar, Heated, Energy... It's streams literally fell off a cliff and never recovered. Having already been a radio staple for 2months, there's no defending it's streams. But I agree she is mostly to blame, but some songs ( BMS) also just have slightly more niche appeal than others. There is no mystery to its radio performance, it got a big push approaching album launch hype and was dropped afterwards because interest in the song burned out quickly from the GP

Justice for Alien Superstar.

48 minutes ago, mons†er said:

might sound like an a**hole saying this but a lot of you new fans want 2002-2010 Beyonce and unfortunately that will never happen again. she's definitely beyond the gimmicks and content just to stay relevant or have an album chart.it's just not happening. 

It's true that it's not happening, and it's best we accept it. I'm mostly done fantasizing about "what if"...  But I don't think the optics should be her being above it or it being a gimmick... There's nothing wrong with exposing your art to the world through traditional media channels.

 

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, mons†er said:

Leomande's era wasn't awful, it was just boring but it matched the album, and she also gave that MTV performance, as well as the SB. 

but that’s the thing cause i f.e wasn’t a stan STAN until Selftitled and to me Lemonade were both a perfect album and era, and gave me everything i need from her : great music and mindblowing performances 

 

sure 2003-2011 Bey was fun bc she was everywhere but i’ll gladly take 6-7 10/10 performances like Lemonade’s than a ton of throwaway performances that are good but not 10/10’s coupled with jumpscare interviews with Tyra 

 

i wouldn’t have anything negative to say about this era if we had just gotten music videos/the film, at least 4-5 amazing performances & one more single and not over a year of silence…

3 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

jumpscare interviews with Tyra 

ntm on her legendary Tyra moment

that was a mess but also a camp classic 

10 minutes ago, Otter said:

My good sis, BMS was the lead single and its only doing 20k-80k more daily streams than Alien Superstar, Heated, Energy... It's streams literally fell off a cliff and never recovered. Having already been a radio staple for 2months, there's no defending it's streams. But I agree she is mostly to blame, but some songs ( BMS) also just have slightly more niche appeal than others. There is no mystery to its radio performance, it got a big push approaching album launch hype and was dropped afterwards because interest in the song burned out quickly from the GP

I don’t think they even gave BMS a chance and that’s the root of the problem. 

21 minutes ago, mons†er said:

I totally can understand where you're coming from and it's valid. I do think a lot Beyonce fans want 1998-2010 Beyonce. where she's doing each and every interview, performing on every award show, sending singles to radio, etc. that woman is burned out and I don't blame her. especially the 8 years between Austin Powers-IASF. Leomande's era wasn't awful, it was just boring but it matched the album, and she also gave that MTV performance, as well as the SB. 

Thats not true. I don't want that Bey back. I want a SMART beyonce. Shes acting dumb imho.

 

1 professional Interview with the best interviewer focussing on the music only.

 

BTS to the production of Renaissance 

 

TinyDesk or an Evening with Beyoncé as a setup, Renaissance only. All on her terms.

 

1 big televised/streamable performance

 

Immediate Access, Availability and transparency when it comes to singles/performances/interviews (stop that hiding/withholding bs).

 

Active use of social media during album era (including TikTok).

 

-> thats too much to ask for?

 

Edited September 19, 20232 yr by Kristie Kuwa