What is that one YouTube channel which has the interludes for the tour? I remember someone mentioning it here a while ago but can’t remember, it was a Brazilian account I believe. 

What kind of bothers me about OTR is that she took a stadium stage to another continent just to play 1 city and now the expenses of moving the stage to Latin America, Oceania, Asia or Africa are a valid excuse for some of the hive for her not playing those continents 

My forehead serving “hello Dubai!” on one of the pics they posted on her website. Oh! This is not what I wanna see! 

4 hours ago, SashaDevachelli said:

Some Bey YT content to binge watch if you’re bored

While this particular vid is a lot of conjecture and is also dated at this stage, I do think it raises one point that I think shouldn't be overlooked. 

 

Bey telling us upfront last year that she conceived all three acts over the pandemic timestamps the music (and, to a degree, the concept) and IMO calls for it to not be too spaced out. Otherwise, the potency of the theme kind of evaporates slightly. Not to mention the fact that music, even for a big act like Bey, is about trends etc. She won't want to make sonic choices that feel late or sing lines/ references that feel dated either. 

 

Overall, she's intentionally tying these project/s together in a way she has never done with her previous albums, so even from a marketing standpoint, it doesn't make much sense going years and years at a time between the Acts IMO. She'd be shooting herself in the foot at a time when attention spans are evaporating at a rapid rate.

 

Look at Maxwell too. He did that with BlackSummers trilogy and is now struggling to get the third part out after starting strong with the first. Not to mention the second part, which came out seven years after the first and underperformed. 

 

I can see Bey's Act II coming anytime between Q4 this year and Q1/2 2024. At which point, she'd effectively be staying true to her practice of spacing out her albums by (at least) two calendar years. Iono if I actually believe there to be an Act III album. Moreso bracing for Act I / Act II being the albums and Act III being the visual for both. We'll see.

Edited August 30, 20233 yr by Cbreezy

4 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

While this particular vid is a lot of conjecture and is also dated at this stage, I do think it raises one point that I think shouldn't be overlooked. 

 

Bey telling us upfront last year that she conceived all three acts over the pandemic timestamps the music and IMO calls for it to not be too spaced out. Otherwise, the potency of the theme kind of evaporates slightly. Not to mention the fact that music, even for a big act like Bey, is about trends etc. She won't want to make sonic choices that feel late or sing lines/ references that feel dated either. 

 

Overall, she's intentionally tying these project/s together in a way she has never done with her previous albums, so even from a marketing standpoint, it doesn't make much sense going years and years at a time between the Acts IMO. She'd be shooting herself in the foot at a time when attention spans are evaporating at a rapid rate.

 

Look at Maxwell too. He did that with BlackSummers trilogy and is now struggling to get the third part out after starting strong with the first. Not to mention the second part, which came out seven years after the first and underperformed. 

 

I can see Bey's Act II coming anytime between Q4 this year and Q1/2 2024. At which point, she'd effectively be staying true to her practice of spacing out her albums by (at least) two calendar years. Iono if I actually believe there to be an Act III album. Moreso bracing for Act I / Act II being the albums and Act III being the visual for both. We'll see.

How do you feel about the rumoured genres country and rock? Do you think Bey could manage to sell that to her fanbase? What about the 'traditional' listeners of those genres? Will they embrace Bey? Personally I'm looking forward to the music but I have ZERO expectations for commercial success. The funny thing is she's already fumbled this 3 act project with the terrible Act 1 rollout. Will be interested in seeing how her team handles things after the tour. 

If act ii is country I want it out this year. December (like SZA’s SOS) would be great.

7 hours ago, Redporus said:

See all this ballad talk have me listening to Bey’s best ballad album IASF.

 

Currently listening to Satellites 

I am very fond of the IASF ballads. 

 

Bey's beautiful tone also sounds completely natural on both IASF and 4. 

 

5 hours ago, ShouldersSideways said:

lmfao this part made me physically cringe and it's even funnier seeing it from the side view

 

if we're being honest virgo's groove doesn't work at all live and the interpolations at the end aren't all that great

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Her pre-recorded vocals are lifeless, it feels worse when she's laying and standing still. Too bad since both VG and POTS are exceptional, but then again she needs to rest a bit and take a breath every now and then. 

I actually love hearing the interpolations though. In addition the lines change at every show and she sounds rather passionate when she's singing those parts. 

POTS doesn’t work, but I loooooooved the love medley at the end of Virgo. 

5 minutes ago, Yonceage said:

How do you feel about the rumoured genres country and rock? Do you think Bey could manage to sell that to her fanbase? What about the 'traditional' listeners of those genres? Will they embrace Bey? Personally I'm looking forward to the music but I have ZERO expectations for commercial success. The funny thing is she's already fumbled this 3 act project with the terrible Act 1 rollout. Will be interested in seeing how her team handles things after the tour. 

I can really see her pulling off something with Country influences. But more of a dedication to the South and Southern music + culture in a broad sense. 

 

Much like Rennie covers a wide scope of Dance, I can see Act II fusing songs like Daddy Lessons, No Angel, this much talked about Dolly Parton collab/cover, Bounce-inspired bops, Rolling in the Deep-like tracks, and other terrain she's not explored yet. A Southern gumbo of sorts.

 

They are all sounds she's toyed with in the past, but a full-fledged project comprised of this sound works on every level IMO: 

 

* It's true to her Southern roots

* Aligns with the whole reclaiming Black genres story of Rennie

* if packaged right (horses, cowboy hats, and smart features) will do enough "present" as enough of a "yee-haa" album to p*ss off Country "purists" and garner controversy press.

* Commercially speaking, these sonics are melodically closer to the Pop and Urban sounds required for Bey to get radio play and for the project to not skew too niche or radical. 

 

Now, this Rock stuff has been getting on my last nerve. Not necessarily because I don't want it, but it's literally a fan fabrication started on here or Twitter. No one anywhere in any official or semi-official capacity has teased Rock. Here's the original and only article teasing the sounds of the album/s:

 

https://variety.com/2022/music/news/beyonces-renaissance-album-dance-country-1235296574/

 

As unapologetic Chart Hive, I don't see how a Rock album will serve her well commercially now. I think for who her core and even mainstream bases are, it doesn't strike as the ish people will run to stream or gag to see live on tour. I don't mind it, but perhaps it should come in the actual "IDGAF about competing" stage of her career (which isn't now IMO). 

 

If there is an Act III, I'd much rather she goes the big ballad route. Literally give us a whole new suite of iconic Pop ballads ala Adele's Hello, a new Halo, some real big melodic singing sh*t. There's still a commercial market for that (on streaming and radio) and it lends itself to her whole angle of stadium moments. Or even conceiving an intimate companion show that runs alongside her stadium show (much like Gaga is doing in Vegas with her Jazz show and exactly what Ed Sheeran is doing with his simultaneous stadium/small-venue tours)

15 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

I can really see her pulling off something with Country influences. But more of a dedication to the South and Southern music + culture in a broad sense. 

 

Much like Rennie covers a wide scope of Dance, I can see Act II fusing songs like Daddy Lessons, No Angel, this much talked about Dolly Parton collab/cover, Bounce-inspired bops, Rolling in the Deep-like tracks, and other terrain she's not explored yet. A Southern gumbo of sorts.

 

They are all sounds she's toyed with in the past, but a full-fledged project comprised of this sound works on every level IMO: 

 

* It's true to her Southern roots

* Aligns with the whole reclaiming Black genres story of Rennie

* if packaged right (horses, cowboy hats, and smart features) will do enough "present" as enough of a "yee-haa" album to p*ss off Country "purists" and garner controversy press.

* Commercially speaking, these sonics are melodically closer to the Pop and Urban sounds required for Bey to get radio play and for the project to not skew too niche or radical. 

 

Now, this Rock stuff has been getting on my last nerve. Not necessarily because I don't want it, but it's literally a fan fabrication started on here or Twitter. No one anywhere in any official or semi-official capacity has teased Rock. Here's the original and only article teasing the sounds of the album/s:

 

https://variety.com/2022/music/news/beyonces-renaissance-album-dance-country-1235296574/

 

As unapologetic Chart Hive, I don't see how a Rock album will serve her well commercially now. I think for who her core and even mainstream bases are, it doesn't strike as the ish people will run to stream or gag to see live on tour. I don't mind it, but perhaps it should come in the actual "IDGAF about competing" stage of her career (which isn't now IMO). 

 

If there is an Act III, I'd much rather she goes the big ballad route. Literally give us a whole new suite of iconic Pop ballads ala Adele's Hello, a new Halo, some real big melodic singing sh*t. There's still a commercial market for that (on streaming and radio) and it lends itself to her whole angle of stadium moments. Or even conceiving an intimate companion show that runs alongside her stadium show (much like Gaga is doing in Vegas with her Jazz show and exactly what Ed Sheeran is doing with his simultaneous stadium/small-venue tours)

Thank you so much. What an in-depth response. I've been excited for country Bey since I heard Dolly Parton saying she would like for Bey to cover Jolene. She will really slay country imo. As for rock and roll. I love that genre and I think Bey could slay a rock ballad or two. I agree wholeheartedly with the whole big diva pop ballad thing however there would have to be a good balance between pop and rnb cause her core urban base won't like an album full of halos.

I don't think any of the three acts will be ballad-heavy:

 

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1 hour ago, Yonceage said:

How do you feel about the rumoured genres country and rock? Do you think Bey could manage to sell that to her fanbase? What about the 'traditional' listeners of those genres? Will they embrace Bey? Personally I'm looking forward to the music but I have ZERO expectations for commercial success. The funny thing is she's already fumbled this 3 act project with the terrible Act 1 rollout. Will be interested in seeing how her team handles things after the tour. 

Oh and as for roll-out, I still say she has a very easy path to selling well with at least one more act in the near future:

 

* "Pre-order the new Beyonce album for presale access to her 2024 dates"/ If her fans, on average, are too grown to run to stream her music in the way Ariana and Taylor fans do, everyone at least wants to see Beyonce live. Everyone! Using ticket sales for the 2024 leg to drive sales of new music is a no-brainer. I may have to unstan if they fumble this lol. 

 

* Any kind of visual premiere on a major platform will be promo in and of itself for Act 2. Especially if it features music from the album.

 

* Physicals! Bey fans are on average older and thus are more inclined to buy physical formats. CDs, vinyls, and other keepsakes. A Q4 drop would be genius to get them holiday sales. As much as she sabotages, it's clear her team knew this was a necessity for Rennie (whose first-week sales were almost 50/50 streaming and physicals). 

 

Where I think her antics could affect things moving forward is:

 

* Longevity of the music. If she once again does nothing promo-wise with whatever the new lead is (which we all know will be the case), she's automatically affecting the streaming longevity of the project out of the gate.

 

She for sure had comeback hype with BMS, but without the "no solo album in 7 years" buzz, I shudder to think what the situation we'd have been looking at for BMS or the album at large (had Cuff It not gone viral). She'll always open high/ish IMO because of her name and some of the tactics above but after the initial launch, she/her team will have to start finding savvy ways to sustain.

6 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

She for sure had comeback hype with BMS, but without the "no solo album in 7 years" buzz, I shudder to think what the situation we'd have been looking at for BMS or the album at large (had Cuff It not gone viral). She'll always open high/ish IMO because of her name and some of the tactics above but after the initial launch, she/her team will have to start finding savvy ways to sustain.

I don't think the wait makes for more buzz in the streaming era. Ariana didn't wait in 2018 and those were her best numbers, Taylor has 1 or 2 projects out per year since 2019 and she's seeing her best numbers now, Lana is always releasing music and her numbers just get stronger, Bad Bunny is also there in other markets. Being consistent with releases makes for better engagement with streaming audiences.

2 minutes ago, Draper. said:

I don't think the wait makes for more buzz in the streaming era. Ariana didn't wait in 2018 and those were her best numbers, Taylor has 1 or 2 projects out per year since 2019 and she's seeing her best numbers now, Lana is always releasing music and her numbers just get stronger, Bad Bunny is also there in other markets. Being consistent with releases makes for better engagement with streaming audiences.

True and, in hindsight, it's why I like the three-album idea (if that's what she's really doing). It's her grandiose and very "Beyonce" way of playing the streaming game of "the more music the better". She was never gonna go the Chris Brown route of 100-track albums or even the Taylor/Ari angle of albums every six months (all of which are the antithesis of Bey's qualitative, slow-bake greatness approach of being an "artiste"). 

 

We love a fashion icon’s impact so many retails are selling sliver/chrome outfits 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvxzQlCNmjG/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== 
 

 

2 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

True and, in hindsight, it's why I like the three-album idea (if that's what she's really doing). It's her grandiose and very "Beyonce" way of playing the streaming game of "the more music the better". She was never gonna go the Chris Brown route of 100-track albums or even the Taylor/Ari angle of albums every six months (all of which are the antithesis of Bey's qualitative, slow-bake greatness approach of being an "artiste"). 

 

Which begs the question, what is her endgame? Her strategy to link three musical projects into one cohesive era ? Will it be a visual/movie released after all three acts are out ? A documentary? Or as someone suggested here a while ago, creating a mega album on streaming with all three acts put together with Renaissance songs transitioning into act 2 and act 2 transitioning into act 3. I feel like there's an opportunity for Bey to do something special here. She's given us so many hints but it's still not making sense to me yet. Either way I'm excited. 

Imagine that act ii and act iii are neither rock nor country and that all the rumors were fake 

At this point, I think Bey is going to use the visuals to promote Act II. 

9 hours ago, Fleahive said:

What was wrong with fwt I kick myself to this day for not going this was her ultimate prime for me vocally. The screen monitor looked epic and I loved the dance breaks and perfect in sync choreo with dancers. I haven’t seen RWT yet and try to avoid most clips and I feel like people only praise the production but drag the dancers and say nothing about Bey. I feel like I’m gonna be watching a cirque de Soleil show or sumn

no real person actually drags the dancers, no review from publications do that as well. 2 people saying mess about the dancers is not equivalent or representative of the praise and dancers actually get

At this point is getting act ii and act iii is a pipe dream just like the visuals. There’s no indication anything is happening after the e tour.

10 hours ago, ShouldersSideways said:

lmfao this part made me physically cringe and it's even funnier seeing it from the side view

 

if we're being honest virgo's groove doesn't work at all live and the interpolations at the end aren't all that great

same for CI, it’s a chore to get through that performance and ironically the audience doesn’t seem to care about it much 

2 hours ago, Draper. said:

I want this next decade to be about celebration, joy, and giving and receiving love.

the way she already told us that she’ll roll this whole thing out over the next decade 

 

ACT II coming in 2025 confirmed 

2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Imagine that act ii and act iii are neither rock nor country and that all the rumors were fake 

The way I would love it they were all dance heavy

6 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

The way I would love it they were all dance heavy

 

Except I want a good fall album from here

I think Act 2 will focus on the human part of Bey. Shes slowly shedding the metallic/futuristic/robotic parts of her and introduces us to the grounded/human/stripped back part of her aka Act II. You're welcome for the analysis