More than happy to be quoted and clowned tomorrow if I'm wrong, but the fact y'all think we'll get anything of substance in that article tomorrow is afksnkajg  I still remember how some people were convinced more was coming from British Vogue

 

We'll get a random quote about how "egoless" the collab with Balmain felt and that's that

2 hours ago, Otter said:

Honestly I thought the album would be Doing 4.5m a year from release because I thought it'd have multiple hits... Turns out it has 1 

 

It'll probably be doing 4.5m during the tour run. But yeah it could of done better but I also expected some form of promo and at least 3 singles like all her past main eras 

 

Lem had Sorry/Hold Up/All Night. 

 

 

I mean you could tell that wasn't going to happen with the way the era was going, you set yourself up.  It's doing good on name alone imo. 

2 hours ago, Machete said:

This is my take as well. Renaissance is doing fine numbers. Nothing great, but definitely not bad, especially taking into consideration her  age/length in industry, etc.

...But the only reason it is still doing fine numbers is because of Cuff It, a song she/her team had zero part in making “happen”. Had the song not been picked up the way it was, the album would be flat out bombing right now. Less than 2M streams a mere 8 months after release. This fact makes me very worried for act 2. If they apply the same rollout and aren’t lucky to get another Cuff It, it will flat out be a huge underperformance.

Even without Cuff it, the album would have 1.1 billion streams which is not bad at all. We literally got nothing this era, so it really could've been a disaster, but it's far from it. Her actual peers are not getting close to this. 

20 minutes ago, Shelter said:

I mean you could tell that wasn't going to happen with the way the era was going, you set yourself up.  It's doing good on name alone imo. 

I mean at the beginning of the era before the album launched. Even without visuals, I expected them to launch a new single with the album but they let Alien Superstar come and go...

 

 

47 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

A hit single saving an era is kind of normal though. See B’Day/Irreplaceable 

yeah hit singles carry albums in the streaming era, since very few listeners actually bother to buy the album. hence why we have stuff like a 36-song country album dominating the charts, The Weeknd's greatest hits compilation doing numbers, and people tacking on old ass hits to their albums like "Good Days" on SZAs album or why I imagine "WAP" and "Up" will still be included on Cardi B's sophomore album.

 

Bey's numbers aren't as bad as Miley's "Flowers" or Sam Smith's "Unholy" literally doing more than the rest of the album combined, lol. or "Rain on Me" helping that Italian lady's dance album.

6 minutes ago, Otter said:

I mean at the beginning of the era before the album launched. Even without visuals, I expected them to launch a new single with the album but they let Alien Superstar come and go...

 

 

She clearly doesn't want to play the game anymore. Your expectations are way too high imo. Taylor was doing similar overall numbers for Folklore and Evermore, and her hype was bigger with her releasing album after album. I'm sure people disappointed in REN streams thought that was good for Taylor. Act 2 success will depend on the sound. 

 

 

 

 

 

Renaissance is doing okay for a neglected album. I can't believe it's been almost 8 months.  

 

Renaissance-3,561,271 [Day 242]

Chromatica (ft Ariana and Blackpink)-1,960,133 [Day 242]

30-2,613,187 [Day 250]

30 minutes ago, Shelter said:

She clearly doesn't want to play the game anymore. Your expectations are way too high imo. Taylor was doing similar overall numbers for Folklore and Evermore, and her hype was bigger with her releasing album after album. I'm sure people disappointed in REN streams thought that was good for Taylor. Act 2 success will depend on the sound. 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not even a game, its just being... Well normal. I mean she cares enough to release remixes to score a number 1, she cared to release a pre album single and announce it in advance, she cares enough for Cuff it to be sitting high on TTH playlist for 6months which is all funded playlisting. She cared enough to initially set a date for Church Girl adds to radio...

 

I don't think we should try to make too sense from any of her/the teams decisions but the album could of been doing better with very minimal changes in the era. It would be doing 4.5m consistently if Alien was just allowed to become a thing, the same way Cuff It was and if album launch playlisting was concentrated on one of the potential hits instead of it heavily leaning towards Church Girl & Summer Rennaisance in august. 

 

I agree the album is doing well but I dont think it was unreasonable to expect it to be doing better back with all the potential it had.

 

 

 

Edited March 28, 20233 yr by Otter

 

And yeah I agree genre is also a thing, dance/heavy pop/electronic albums struggle way more then mellow accoustics, soft pop etc 

I've actually stopped listening to Rennie for the meantime, so I'm in the perfect mood for act II... Exciting to that it could start being teased any moment now

 

Lest we forget that she still pulls streams from AM. Her pure sales are pretty decent. I believe she and Harry are 2k total units apart from each other this week. 

 

If this were a "smash" era she wouldn't be doing too much more than 35k. Longevity is the game and this is still Beys best charting album relative to an 8 month period.

 

Well just have to see what the tour does. It was a rough week last week. Bey is the only celeb I know who takes such a hit from bad press like she's the villain. 

47 minutes ago, Starshine said:

Renaissance is doing okay for a neglected album. I can't believe it's been almost 8 months.  

 

Renaissance-3,561,271 [Day 242]

Chromatica (ft Ariana and Blackpink)-1,960,133 [Day 242]

30-2,613,187 [Day 250]

And these albums had alot more push. So it could go back up to 5 million daily once the tour starts. 

 

I will say that Beys tour is so far compared to other acts. Bad Bunny, Harry, SZA, Taylor and others had their tours better coincide with their album. Some Bey dates are nearly 6 months away. It's just a slow painful era. 

58 minutes ago, Starshine said:

Renaissance is doing okay for a neglected album. I can't believe it's been almost 8 months.  

 

Renaissance-3,561,271 [Day 242]

Chromatica (ft Ariana and Blackpink)-1,960,133 [Day 242]

30-2,613,187 [Day 250]

not to mention CUFF IT is the song that's got the least weight, compared to those two albums' hit singles:

 

CUFF IT: 1,382,510 (39% of album streams)

Easy on Me: 1,052,123 (40%)

Rain on Me: 872,617 (45%)

Edited March 29, 20233 yr by kimberly

The release strategy for this album is so baffling, even if she doesn't care about success at all - she must be actively ordering her team to sabotage the album like why?

 

I mean, the fact that she's signed to a major label means there are several people getting paid full-time to do absolutely nothing which is just

Edited March 29, 20233 yr by Dephira

Don't forget, Taylor did the same method with Lover, Folklore and Evermore.  It REALLY boosted her streaming numbers, like made her a streaming staple.  I think this is a great strategy for release in this climate, whether this is her intention or not. 

 

She's also doing a great job of not over saturating the market.  Overall, I think this will really work in her favor.

Also, the albums will have great longevity.  We still have the tour, which always boosts her music, and the visuals.  Rennie will have legs

1 hour ago, Dephira said:

The release strategy for this album is so baffling, even if she doesn't care about success at all - she must be actively ordering her team to sabotage the album like why?

 

I mean, the fact that she's signed to a major label means there are several people getting paid full-time to do absolutely nothing which is just

What people are you referring to? Like her manager? Agent? Publicist? Who? 
 

Cause the Beyoncé brand is a conglomerate, so even beyond music, Team Bey still has a lot to do bts 

Whenever I get mad about the era I remember that it’s legit her best music and that the navy has been begging rihanna for new music for like 7 years. Let’s appreciate what we have fr 

Edited March 29, 20233 yr by bijonse

6 hours ago, SashaDevachelli said:

When she says the word Future 4 times in her interview

“i feel the future holds bright things ahead for me” 

 

23 hours ago, BGKC said:

Like I know she doesn’t owe her fans anything, technically speaking. She gave us the music and the tour coming but like what about the younger demographic? Like it’s crazy to me to think there’s people in high school who were born around the IASF era. Most of these kids ever known her to be is an overly distant, untouchable “Queen” that doesn’t do any interviews or promote much at all. It’s no wonder the “overrated/hyped” argument revolving her is so prevalent. Renaissance was the perfect opportunity to reintroduce her vivacious self to a new generation of fans by doing what she does best, but she chose silence… like if it wasn’t for TikTok… 

 

granted, it’s not over yet. 

But Bey is not "vivacious"  she isn't even seen in public if she's not at an award show or being paid an insane amount of money to perform

I was pretty mad about the lack of promotions a couple months ago but now it’s really just beating a dead horse.

 

I’m just enjoying the music rn tbh and I have my ticket secured so I could care less knowing that the tour is going to boost and keep Renaissance stable in streams for a very long time.
 

And it should definitely get a couple viral moments that will boost the songs even more. Although with that being said it’s been a VERY lazy era, the least enjoyable era yet and I think it’s important to treasure your fans especially since the last studio album was 7 years ago. But I acknowledge that’s l probably due to a lot of hick-ups she had.

6 hours ago, Lose My Breath said:

Don't forget, Taylor did the same method with Lover, Folklore and Evermore.  It REALLY boosted her streaming numbers, like made her a streaming staple.  I think this is a great strategy for release in this climate, whether this is her intention or not. 

 

She's also doing a great job of not over saturating the market.  Overall, I think this will really work in her favor.

What strategy are you referring to? Folklore and Evermore were very different from Lover.

 

Lover received 3 pre album songs and in total 4 singles+videos.

 

Folklore and Evermore were surprise drops and a first for Taylor which is why it worked. She did the bare minimal other than some curated playlists and accoustic recordings and eventually a Grammy performance, but the longevity those albums showed has everything to do with Taylor's power which isn't really reflected in anyone else. It's bolstered by her constantly releasing and celebrating her archive over the last 2 years. She went back to a more traditional schedule with Midnight's. So far 2 singles and 3 music videos. They'll probably be a final single at the end of the tour.

 

But I agree, I'm not worried about Rennie in the long term. Potential aside, it's doing solidly and further acts will probably strengthen Beys overall streams. For me it's easily been the most fruitful era simply because the way it's dominated my queer circle and actually had decent circulation in clubs.

 

Edited March 29, 20233 yr by Otter

the full Vogue FR interview has a quote from Beyoncé... the rest of it is an interview with Olivier 

 

"Olivier is a dream partner and a creator in constant innovation and evolution. Everything he did as a black couturier to break and open doors was a source of inspiration. Since our very first meeting and with the creations he has made over the years for my shows and appearances, I knew that one day I would work with him on a collection. I am very proud of what we have created and the synergy that has been created between our teams."– Beyoncé

 

https://www.vogue.fr/article/hommage-beyonce-couture-mode-olivier-rousteing-raconte-aventure-unique-queen-b-vogue-france

Edited March 29, 20233 yr by kimberly

3 hours ago, PrettyHurts said:

But Bey is not "vivacious"  she isn't even seen in public if she's not at an award show or being paid an insane amount of money to perform

Well that’s what I meant by “reintroduce” 

 

Renaissance is a vivacious album, much like B’Day was when when she spent the era owning any and every stage she could get her heels on. I didn’t at all expect her to do half as much as she did then, but full on ghosting her fans after exclusively releasing Lemonade 6 years prior is  The argument I was making was that she technically doesn’t owe her older fans ****, but it must be disappointing to be young, teenage fans who never really got to experience a tangible, exciting era from Beyoncé. The tour will be epic for sure, but yea. I’m guessing patience is a virtue regarding the follow up acts. 

Edited March 29, 20233 yr by BGKC