Forevermore.

Some of you laughing along with Trump supporters (many of whom are literal nazis!) just to get a quick hit on Taylor.. can't say I'm surprised!

I've been seeing SO much Abracadabra videos on my TikTok and I don't even usually get much pop girl content on there (I avoid them), and most of them have 100K+ likes. I've even seen some with 1M+.. It feels like it's really taking off.

Yeah, no.. I've been iffy about her for a bit now and this just sealed the deal for me. I've been following her since before Visions even came out and I just.. can't believe what she's turned into. I gave her so much benefit of the doubt. Claire.. who the hell are you even anymore? If people want to 'separate the art from the artist' then I guess it's their choice, but it's not for me. This is 2025, do you not see what's happening in the world? F*** that.

Marina, peaked with Froot and then it was all just downhill from there.

Right but let's be clear though, most of these people and their likes are likely not even from "Billie stans", but rather various members of the GP that otherwise do not regularly interact with stan content. I think it's an important distinction to make since the discussions around that are already questionable enough as it is on this site with people crediting random tweets with 40 likes to an artist and their entire fanbase. The generic GP sample are people who listen only to the pop radio and whatever sounds are popular on Tiktok. Cowboy Carter do not fit into either mold, so obviously most of them are unlikely to know what it is unless they a) listen to Country or b) already follow Beyonce to begin with. Birds of the Feather on the other hand was the biggest song of 2024 on streaming both in the US and I'm pretty sure globally, and it ruled Tiktok - so of course naturally people are going to gravitate towards Billie getting the win. You have to understand the average person sees this process through a simple lens and nothing else.

Expected around 3.5m, these are incredible numbers

Probably Top 40 if she's lucky. It's a great song, but unfortunately these type of songs just don't do well anymore. It feels like the song is both too late and too early for the current musical climate. I'd really love to be wrong though, cause I'd love for this kind of music to be big again.

Not surprised about Taylor going home empty-handed, it was expected - and honestly, this is the way that it should be. Her entries were weak this year and the categories were full with very, very strong nominees. And my god, I'm actually SO glad TTPD didn't win AOTY. My heart breaks for Billie however, wasn't expecting her to win everything but I was expecting her to win something. Her walking away with absolutely nothing is gut-wrenching.

Not my favorite album of hers or even out of the nominees, I'm quite gutted HMHAS didn't win - but this was a category win that is so long overdue for her that it's hard to say anything negative about it, both Self-Titled and Lemonade should've won in their respective years. Take it as their revenge. It was simply about time.

People realizing their outlook that only gets validated on ATRL and certain specific internet spaces not being the case in the actual real world will never not be funny to me "b-b-but I posted about how Taylor Swift being local and got 15 upvotes! surely this can't be true???"

Yeah he's 100% winning. We're cooked.

Every time Asia gets brought up in the discussion of Taylor's success the narrative goes to either "Asians are white actually" or "It's the white-worshipping Asians again". Being condescending and patronizing to an entire race just because a musical artist you don't like is popular in their region, and there are actually people supporting these sentiments. Insane.

The way this will have zero impact because his base has no morals and will justify it and/or try to shift the blame to Biden and post that fake list of celebrities going to the Epstein Island for the billionth time.

Wildflower has grown to be one of my favorite Billie songs ever.. such a stunning song

Obviously money, but that is not unique to her. Any artist in her position would do the same, and it has nothing to do with them as a person but rather just the business being what it is. Anyway, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of fans do not buy these. I've never bought a single variant. Sure, a few will be buying all of them buy everything to collect but at the end of the day it's their money and you can't stop them 🤷 the rest of the copies go to fans who skipped on the previous variants and/or wants the covers or whatever. Not that any of this needed justifying.

Only when artists I don't like releases them, it's ok otherwise! And I'll keep moving the goalpost until the description of what I have a problem with fits only the artists I don't like! - ATRL

Charlie did respond to Taylor though, by releasing a brand new single. Anyway Billie's album is fantastic so Pitchfork is wrong again (to no one's surprise).

every day it's another OTH circlejerk thread by the same ******* people jesus christ y'all say swifties are obsessed with taylor but they're only second compared to you people clearly!

She's still going to be successful. Obviously not on the level she is right now -- it's literally impossible to maintain this level of fame forever -- but she's not going to fall into obscurity either. Her success may wax and wane, but she's just gonna be one of those figures that's always going to be around. The last few years have guaranteed that.

Not a great trajectory for Dua honestly. She should not be struggling to fight for #2 with these numbers against a year-old album after an era like FN and DTN. It's such a shame because her being #3 under all these circumstances shows that the support and interest are there. It's just that she's not serving what needed to be served. Had the album been better and the rollout was better managed with a proper hit (at minimum Illusion) she could have easily been clearing 120k. I'd like to see her come back from this. The album is DOA so I hope she goes back to the studio instead of trying to salvage it with multiple editions. But most importantly.. fire the dad.

Katy being so high up with only 14 songs really puts into perspective how astronomically massive she was. The chokehold she had was insane. Also, very impressive for Olivia to already be here despite being much newer than everyone else on the list.

In a Country matchup, between the three? Absolutely. Lana & Beyonce were nominated yes, but they were not in the Country categories. If they're getting nominated for non-Country projects, then they would stomp Kacey sure, but Country? There's zero loyalty within the country voters for either of them, and I'm doubtful about other voters rallying around them when they didn't before for their non-Country projects, but did for Kacey. Realistically though, I don't think any of them is winning AOTY. Like, I'd love to be wrong -- especially since I desperately want Lana to win a Grammy -- but it feels like a steep climb.

Out of the 3? Kacey would STOMP I'm sorry. Like that's not even a question

some of y'all being extremely weird in here and for WHAT embarrassing