20 minutes ago, Raphy said:

also drop this guy. He's an uglier Laroi.

this does cut to the issue: will tate ever have a boyfriend as hot as cole ever again?! he inspired her best songs, the record speaks for itself

24 minutes ago, Raphy said:

also drop this guy. He's an uglier Laroi.

And the bar was already in hell.

I blame the lack of male genz stars for this. They're not too many hot young male pop stars or actors to choose from

6 minutes ago, Sharon Stone said:

And the bar was already in hell.

I blame the lack of male genz stars for this. They're not too many hot young male pop stars or actors to choose from

even Benson Boone, they'd make a cute couple!

5 minutes ago, Raphy said:

even Benson Boone, they'd make a cute couple!

I know but the two of Stan twitters most hated artists in a couple lol. Imagine the drags. Also he's very much in danger if he doesn't stick the landing with his next album. It's better not to hitch her star to another male artist with a massive breakout that might soon decline.

I don't know the details about the Laroi breakup but I'm sure it didn't help their relationship that he was arguably more successful when they started dating and she had eclipsed him majorly by the end.

2 minutes ago, Sharon Stone said:

I know but the two of Stan twitters most hated artists in a couple lol. Imagine the drags. Also he's very much in danger if he doesn't stick the landing with his next album. It's better not to hitch her star to another male artist with a massive breakout that might soon decline.

I don't know the details about the Laroi breakup but I'm sure it didn't help their relationship that he was arguably more successful when they started dating and she had eclipsed him majorly by the end.

was handy for her to able to drag him all over the hot 100 tho, that's strategic planning

I agree, her shakey affiliations with MAGA men is my only issue with her career trajectory, her team must know how people are positioning her as, a pop star needs to stay far away from that crowd. However i think her and her team have created this image/branding problem where sports and stereotypical male cultural markers are apart of her lore (ie "the cool girl who is a sexy bombshell and can hang with the guys"). And as Sharon said, male athletes seem to be the only viable celebs that can both handle and stand equal to someone like her in the public eye. Male entertainers who are handsome and squeky clean just dont exist like that anymore, so female celebrities seem to be hitching their rides on being wags since that isnt such a social fauxpas anymore, in fact its quite glamouros and gets headlines/PR.

Edited February 26Feb 26 by Babymomo

there's a phrase in politics, 'the king has bad advisors', which is usually used to say that actually if he was a better king he'd hire good advisors. i'm kind of at this point with tate now, i've spent so much time obsessed with her music but it's time to conclude that she doesn't wholly understand the kind of pop star she wants to be and is determined to wing it, which tbf is going to be a wild ride til it either goes horribly wrong or she somehow skates to the top, saluting my girl right now

Guys I hate to say it, but as a fan of Tate from her dance competition era, it's not a recent thing at all. When Trump won in 2016, a lot of popular dancers and their families came out as proudly MAGA, and one of Tate's closest friends at the time went off spewing casual racism on a livestream and doubling down on it. Tate distanced herself from her publicly after this, but they're still on good terms. Tate's still following her and she was just at the MPT photographed with Tate. I don't believe she's MAGA because she never said anything pro-Trump back then, and she's been popular on the internet since she was literally 12, and there are no Camila-like skeletons in her closet. But she's always been okay to be friends with these people. I'm not sure if we can even blame her team.

1 hour ago, makeawish said:

i'm kind of at this point with tate now, i've spent so much time obsessed with her music but it's time to conclude that she doesn't wholly understand the kind of pop star she wants to be and is determined to wing it, which tbf is going to be a wild ride til it either goes horribly wrong or she somehow skates to the top, saluting my girl right now

I also have an unhealthy obsession lol. There's something about seeing her entire career unfold from day one that makes me so interested in seeing how it ends up. But i've since made my peace with the fact that she'll probably never be a massive global superstar because of reasons like this, and her team's constant failure to fully seize the moment. She also doesn't have the disposition for it. So I think she's going to keep growing commercially for a few more years, then sadly, she's going to get the Khalid, Halsey, Camila treatment where her moment passes suddenly. Hope i'm wrong, but either way, it's going to be a fun ride.

11 hours ago, Sharon Stone said:

I also have an unhealthy obsession lol. There's something about seeing her entire career unfold from day one that makes me so interested in seeing how it ends up. But i've since made my peace with the fact that she'll probably never be a massive global superstar because of reasons like this, and her team's constant failure to fully seize the moment. She also doesn't have the disposition for it. So I think she's going to keep growing commercially for a few more years, then sadly, she's going to get the Khalid, Halsey, Camila treatment where her moment passes suddenly. Hope i'm wrong, but either way, it's going to be a fun ride.

i've only really been around since about "10.35" but certainly one of the things that drove how into everything around her i got was my feeling that she's a much better and more interesting artist than she's ever given credit for and my essential rage about all these online assh*les being mean about her lmao.

i'm resigned to it as well but a thing that comes back to me is that, after the first album (which i probably enjoy a lot more than most people here), she took on board the criticisms that it was a bit piecemeal and unfocused and insisted on having a core musical team around her for the next one, which was the thing that really put her on the road to greater success.

so what occurs to me is that she can make the changes she needs to make but only if she understands it in the context of her artistry, the stuff that she actually does and is good at. she's only such a dumbass when it comes to public image, which is probably because she hasn't grown up steeped in pop culture, and in a better world it wouldn't matter because she is great but we don't live in that one, we have ATRL and stan twitter here and whole thing is just fuel to the binfire

as an aside, i am genuinely happy we got the tate base moving, you've never really arrived on ATRL if you only have release threads and it must be a good omen iktr

if her team was smart they'd use the off year for a high profile collab. if they were really smart they'd get her on a PEDRO SAMPAIO song. This would give her huge visibility in Brasil and LATAM in general. When i was there this song was absolutely everywhere.

She has an odor

In terms of strategic collabs, she's not that strong in LATAM, Asia and Africa. Her team should be looking at collabs with Anitta, Tyla, Ayra Starr, Lisa or Jennie. For mainstream pop girls, she could do something cute with Dua, Doja or Sabrina. Either way, she needs a pop girl collab now more than ever.

13 hours ago, makeawish said:

she took on board the criticisms that it was a bit piecemeal and unfocused and insisted on having a core musical team around her for the next one, which was the thing that really put her on the road to greater success.

Agree, and she did the same thing with SCTW as well. She took all the notes with think later being too heavy on the midtempos and delivered with more uptempo songs. So she's strategic in that way, and that's why she keeps growing.

13 hours ago, makeawish said:

she's only such a dumbass when it comes to public image, which is probably because she hasn't grown up steeped in pop culture, and in a better world it wouldn't matter because she is great but we don't live in that one, we have ATRL and stan twitter here and whole thing is just fuel to the binfire

The funniest thing is, she probably doesn't see the issue. She'll probably dismiss the whole thing as people hating on her for no reason. It's shocking that her entire team is gay and none of them can guide her from these pitfalls. She truly just needs one strong collaborator with vision that can help her take control of her public image and persona.

On a related point, it baffles me that she can see Sabrina and Chappel's rise and now Zara's and not realise that there's a lot to be gained from honing in on a specific visual identity. Choosing to do her first arena tour in basic athleisure was such a strange move. That was the time to really hone in on her identity but she chose to be more faceless. She even scaled back the costumes from the European leg to be more bland in NA. Even think later tour had more distinctive outfits. I sometimes wonder what the thought process is behind some of these choices. My theory is that she wants to perform and be on stage, and be successful, but she doesn't want to be a star or be famous, so she is consciously or subconsciously sabotaging that aspect of her career.

1 hour ago, Sharon Stone said:

My theory is that she wants to perform and be on stage, and be successful, but she doesn't want to be a star or be famous, so she is consciously or subconsciously sabotaging that aspect of her career.

Something I find fascinating is this dualism between the shy, kinda neurotic girl you see in all those interviews and who is all over the songs (this is what sold me so hard in the end I think) and then this clearly massively ambitious young woman who is touring constantly and seems to want everything she can get.

And throwing herself into the hot girl image, exploiting all that sexuality, feels quite counterintuitive in terms of who she comes off as so often but it's also something that she clearly revels in, she really seems to love all that exhibitionism as well.

it's easy to see tatiana as a bit worked up to sell her evolving image but I suspect that the concept is a really important part of who she is. Its all very ying and Yang, the eastern mystics would have understood her much better I fear…

i've come to do my weekly reading here at the tater tot camp

I appreciate all of you for so eloquently putting into words what I'm sure many of us have been feeling about the handling of her career (be it her choices or her team's). I may not contribute much to the conversation often but just know i'm nodding along to every word I read here. It's nice to see a different side of her fanbase as opposed to twitter's, where I've had to read multiple times this week that they can't "no longer defend her/i'm dropping her" and it was all so juvenile that I ended up unfollowing all tate accounts I had followed lol. I'll always love my girl even though she's a dumb dumb

50 minutes ago, poltergeist said:

i've come to do my weekly reading here at the tater tot camp

I appreciate all of you for so eloquently putting into words what I'm sure many of us have been feeling about the handling of her career (be it her choices or her team's). I may not contribute much to the conversation often but just know i'm nodding along to every word I read here. It's nice to see a different side of her fanbase as opposed to twitter's, where I've had to read multiple times this week that they can't "no longer defend her/i'm dropping her" and it was all so juvenile that I ended up unfollowing all tate accounts I had followed lol. I'll always love my girl even though she's a dumb dumb

It's really easy to get wound up by that stuff but I do think that generally it's just noise. Even when she did do something genuinely questionable (the wallen collab) it didn't really harm her career and ofc there's the risk that actual reputational damage sets in at some point, but the haters will always overplay their hand with this stuff. it's real "b*tch eating crackers" type posting at this point, like the entire olympics controversy must seem completely deranged from any kind of non stan war perspective

watching the brits and maybe tate could date sombr? he has star quality cheekbones (tho i think he's even younger than she is, she'd have to be his suga momma)

Edited February 28Feb 28 by makeawish

1 hour ago, makeawish said:

watching the brits and maybe tate could date sombr? he has star quality cheekbones (tho i think he's even younger than she is, she'd have to be his suga momma)

Not that lanky little boy. It's truly slim pickings out there. Maybe she can date one of the F1 boys? There's a lot of buzz around her and Lando Norris, even though he's not that cute. But I think the ideal PR relationship for her rn is an older actor. Someone like Jacob Elordi or Micheal B Jordan. She needs someone that can introduce her to a new audience.

Speaking of longevity, sometimes I think about the fact that she's already defied the odds multiple times.

She started as a dancer, and so many of her peers then tried to transition into music or acting, but no one has made it as far as she has. The girls from Dance Moms had a popular show to launch them but they still couldn't become mainstream. Even JoJo Siwa who was billed as the next child-friendly superstar and was touring arenas at some point, didn't last. But it's most satisfying that she ended up far more successful than Maddie Ziegler. Maddie stans were just as insufferable towards Tate then as Addison stans are now lol. They were so sure that she would never have Maddie's success.

Then she transitioned to YouTube, and again, she's more successful than any artist that emerged from YouTube in that era. Conan Gray and Troye Sivan have had success but not at the same level as her. I remember she got signed to RCA at the same time as this other YouTube artist, Audrey Mika who never broke out. Then she had a pandemic viral TikTok hit at the same time as Iann Diorr, Benee, 24K Goldn, Beabadobee and none of them are anywhere near her today.

After her debut flopped, she seemed like a TikTok fad but then 10:35 made some noise, and she came out swinging with greedy. A lot of people dismissed greedy as a fluke when exes and think later didn't live up to it. Then people wrote her off in 2024 when Sab, Chappel and Charli were smashing and she was struggling with IOIO and 2 hands, and she managed to turn it around in a way no one could have anticipated. So there's something about her where she takes hits, but keeps bouncing back stronger every time. I won't put it past her to somehow make her way to A list status through trial and error.

7 minutes ago, Sharon Stone said:

Speaking of longevity, sometimes I think about the fact that she's already defied the odds multiple times.

She started as a dancer, and so many of her peers then tried to transition into music or acting, but no one has made it as far as she has. The girls from Dance Moms had a popular show to launch them but they still couldn't become mainstream. Even JoJo Siwa who was billed as the next child-friendly superstar and was touring arenas at some point, didn't last. But it's most satisfying that she ended up far more successful than Maddie Ziegler. Maddie stans were just as insufferable towards Tate then as Addison stans are now lol. They were so sure that she would never have Maddie's success.

Then she transitioned to YouTube, and again, she's more successful than any artist that emerged from YouTube in that era. Conan Gray and Troye Sivan have had success but not at the same level as her. I remember she got signed to RCA at the same time as this other YouTube artist, Audrey Mika who never broke out. Then she had a pandemic viral TikTok hit at the same time as Iann Diorr, Benee, 24K Goldn, Beabadobee and none of them are anywhere near her today.

After her debut flopped, she seemed like a TikTok fad but then 10:35 made some noise, and she came out swinging with greedy. A lot of people dismissed greedy as a fluke when exes and think later didn't live up to it. Then people wrote her off in 2024 when Sab, Chappel and Charli were smashing and she was struggling with IOIO and 2 hands, and she managed to turn it around in a way no one could have anticipated. So there's something about her where she takes hits, but keeps bouncing back stronger every time. I won't put it past her to somehow make her way to A list status through trial and error.

This is something I've thought about as well, she just keeps beating the odds lmao (Is that because you just can't keep a good Canadian popgirl down, why yes it is!)

been listening to the first album a bit yesterday and today and remembered how fond i am of it. yes the vowels are a bit tortured, it's all very sub-olivia but the songs are great and the performances have that mix of sulkiness and fury about Being Wronged By Those F*cking Boys that really goes off, it reminds me of the performances from this era where she'd hold the mic very precisely in front of her and spit viciously into it, she was giving so much drama at that point! (as much as SCTW is her best record i do miss this tate a bit tbh)

the first three songs do kinda sound like they've drifted in from a different project but they're still bops and also, i feel like the idea that it feels clunky is oversold cos she has such a distinct personality on this album. i do get the sense that people thinking every song should have the same vibe is a bit of an excuse just to drag people for not much in general tbh (also, 'what would you do?!' esp reminds me of the kind of very dumb tweepop songs i used to listen to a lot maybe a decade ago).

but anyway, after that the run to the end does feel much more obvs cohesive, even "i still say goodnight", which has very obviously drifted in from some abortive billie project, has that teen girl problem page vibe to it which is very typically tate at this point -"i know that look you get when you're about to lie" esp has that real 'hints and tips to see if your boyfriend is cheating' vibe - and which i find very touching in a silly sort of way. and then go away, boy x, SAIWB, feel like sh*t, you're so cool: all top tier tate bops! go away esp is a real alltimer, so many great lines: "you like to care until you don't" 😭. a much underrated album smdh

Edited March 1Mar 1 by makeawish

Siren Sounds sitting comfortably as her #5 song, overtaking *** for Tat soon.

Q2 and Q3 should be pushing Siren Sounds as a radio only single worldwide, while also giving us new collab bangers with Tyla/Anitta etc. Hopefully with a new era starting Q4, new album dropping 2027.

"the success of siren sounds is proof that tate can still smash with her OG vibe": me for the guardian

Edited March 1Mar 1 by makeawish