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[Burn]

18 minutes ago, KingBeyonce. said:

I saw a tiktok saying something about how they hope Bey has songs like Party Like a Rock Star (and I guess it's not entirely far fetched but still ) and I just have a feeling people are gonna be disappointed when they realize how far she'll probably lean into the sound kind of like they were with TH'E.

I think people will be disappointed as I can already tell people are getting carried away with their ideas of what a rock album from Bey means. Even on this site people outside the hive saying they're excited for Bey's rock moment, that's because they're expecting it to be some Avril Lavigne or Olivia Rodrigo'd pop rock . Once they realise Bey's music is gonna go more in the direction of black rock and funk artists like Betty Davis, Sly Stone and George Clinton… well they're in for a shock.

Edited yesterday at 03:38 AM by Burn

[Nippy'sReceipts]

8 minutes ago, KingBeyonce. said:

I see what you mean. I think she'll do fine with act 3, at least initially. I think with CC, it's long and country and I think that greatly affected it's longevity in addition to the usual no promo problem. I have friends who are casual fans who sort of "skimmed" through the album but never returned to it because they thought TH'E was too country and it's a chore to get through an album that you're already assuming you won't like lol. 

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On another negative Nancy note I have a question for the people who don't like CC . Do you think you'll like act 3 any better? I ask because so far, all we know is that it's probably rock (and I'm assuming Betty Davis-esque funk) and an entire album of rock/funk would be new territory for her just like Cowboy Carter was with country. But it seems like everyone is almost more confident that they'll like act 3 more. Is it that you guys like rock better and just assume that it'll be better because of that? Is it because it'll be more upbeat than CC? I'm just curious. I saw a tiktok saying something about how they hope Bey has songs like Party Like a Rock Star (and I guess it's not entirely far fetched but still ) and I just have a feeling people are gonna be disappointed when they realize how far she'll probably lean into the sound kind of like they were with TH'E. I'm excited personally but just a thought. 

 

 

 

I think urban radio is also a more important tool to her promotion wise than people realize especially since she doesn't promote songs. CC was not an album that fits the sonic format there  so there was limited space to promote this album given Beyoncé's aversion to traditional promo. Renaissance had benefits of being dance music, having a mix of R&B and afrobeats,  being uptempo "fun songs", and the dance genre is generally more accepting than country.

 

Rock is historically more white, male, racist, and misogynist than country so this is going to be difficult  but I know musically the album will slay

[sillycilla]

I didn't like BRAT (only three songs) but I have to admit it was everywhere in pop culture even though a lot of it felt surface level to me. It didn't really create any meaningful discourse or do anything different in my opinion and I've liked Charli's previous work. However I can see all the elements that Ren had heightened with BRAT, including the praise. I can see it winning AOTY, would not be shocked in the least. Billie had a good album, miles better than her previous, birds of a feather is intoxicating and doesn't get old, in addition to that she gave fans a lot of insight into the process of making the album. Her being an awards darling, having won AOTY already and just coming off of an Oscar win, she is the heavy favorite. Sabrina is another top contender, breakout star of the year outside of Chappell, her album spawned multiple hits, I can see espresso winning SOTY. I think Chappell kind of ruined her chances the last few months, out of all the people mentioned she was my most played album outside of Bey this year. 

Edited yesterday at 03:37 AM by sillycilla

[Comedor]

ST and Ren lost AOTY to some stupid ass albums, it was never about the quality. So yes, CC does have a chance of winning! Do I hate the album, the era and country music in general? YES!! But I'm here for it winning AOTY. Sorry to CXC, sometimes the award doesn't go to who deserves it. She will live.

[cuteboyzay]

I loved BRAT and I feel bad for the girlies that didn't, LMAOOO!!! Same way I feel about Rennie 

[ShouldersSideways]

Just realized she turns 44 this year... the theories we'll have to endure approaching her birthday... (Which on a Thursday, btw, meaning people will expect her to drop something at midnight friday)

 

 

16 minutes ago, KingBeyonce. said:

 

On another negative Nancy note I have a question for the people who don't like CC . Do you think you'll like act 3 any better? I ask because so far, all we know is that it's probably rock (and I'm assuming Betty Davis-esque funk) and an entire album of rock/funk would be new territory for her just like Cowboy Carter was with country. But it seems like everyone is almost more confident that they'll like act 3 more. Is it that you guys like rock better and just assume that it'll be better because of that? Is it because it'll be more upbeat than CC? I'm just curious. I saw a tiktok saying something about how they hope Bey has songs like Party Like a Rock Star (and I guess it's not entirely far fetched but still ) and I just have a feeling people are gonna be disappointed when they realize how far she'll probably lean into the sound kind of like they were with TH'E. I'm excited personally but just a thought. 

 

 

 

I don't dislike CC, but it's not in my personal top 3 Bey albums.  I think Bey is authentically a country person, from the country.  But country music probably came less naturally to her than anything she's done before.

 

On the other hand, she is a rock star through and through.  Prince and Tina are her heroes.  I also imagine she knows act iii is going to be a showstopper, because she saved it for last, the grand finale of an ambitious project.  Plus, I think most of us like rock/funk more than country. 

[sillycilla]

I think a lot of people are over thinking CC. This was not a hard album to promote at all. THE, was the most current generic country sound there was and it went number one because it was actually pushed. Bodyguard, levii jeans, and tyrant were also obviously made for radio. Tyrant and II hands to heaven are urban radio fodder. In a proper rollout she could have done cute videos for riverdance and SHB. There are so many elements that could have worked with the right marketing and appealed to everyone. 

[ShouldersSideways]

3 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

I think a lot of people are over thinking CC. This was not a hard album to promote at all. THE, was the most current generic country sound there was and it went number one because it was actually pushed. Bodyguard, levii jeans, and tyrant were also obviously made for radio. Tyrant and II hands to heaven are urban radio fodder. In a proper rollout she could have done cute videos for riverdance and SHB. There are so many elements that could have worked with the right marketing and appealed to everyone. 

She didn't want to promote it.  These aren't things she simply needs to read and go, "Oh my god, that's it! Let's get to the boardroom."  They know all this, but she won't do it.

[Jon Snow]

6 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

I also imagine she knows act iii is going to be a showstopper, because she saved it for last, the grand finale of an ambitious project.

You're probably wrong cause this is not the order she intended acts to be released and RENAISSANCE is probably the one that was supposed to be the last 

[sillycilla]

The potential was there for this era. 
 

 

[ShouldersSideways]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You're probably wrong cause this is not the order she intended acts to be released and RENAISSANCE is probably the one that was supposed to be the last 

I kinda got the vibe it supposed to be 

CC (recorded perhaps before the trilogy was even conceptualized, and in response to the CMAs) > Renaissance > act iii

[sillycilla]

Wasn't Renaissance the last album she recorded though?? 

[PrettyHurts]

I think some of us need to come to terms with the fact that CC is just not an easy album for people to connect with. It's media narrative got out of control and was confusing to people. The first 3 songs alone are slow and probably uninteresting for people not invested in Beyoncé. The album itself requires patience and probably a good deal of bias towards Beyoncé's personal artistry. It's just not fun for everyone. It had potential for hits and commercial longevity if promoted properly but we should know by now that isn't going to happen. The album is firstly for her own artistic gratification and to make a statement, and also for fans and lovers of music history. If she wanted it to be a smash with the GP and have an actual chance at the Grammys she would have pushed it harder instead of spending most of the year focused on her business ventures. 

[KingBeyonce.]

9 minutes ago, Burn said:

I think people will be disappointed as I can already tell people are getting carried away with their ideas of what a rock album from Bey means. Even on this site people outside the hive saying they're excited for Bey's rock moment, that's because they're expecting it to be some Avril Lavigne or Olivia Rodrigo'd pop rock . Once they realise Bey's music is gonna go more in the direction of black rock and funk artists like Betty Davis, Sly Stone and George Clinton… well they're in for a shock.

Yes and that's exactly how it's about to play out  and you know it's gonna be that usual comments of "ugh why can't she just go back to regular r&b and pop!"

 

12 minutes ago, Nippy'sReceipts said:

I think urban radio is also a more important tool to her promotion wise than people realize especially since she doesn't promote songs. CC was not an album that fits the sonic format there  so there was limited space to promote this album given Beyoncé's aversion to traditional promo. Renaissance had benefits of being dance music, having a mix of R&B and afrobeats,  being uptempo "fun songs", and the dance genre is generally more accepting than country.

 

Rock is historically more white, male, racist, and misogynist than country so this is going to be difficult  but I know musically the album will slay

That's a great point that I hadn't even thought of tbh. Sometimes I forget people still listen to the radio and that it's still a semi-useful promotional tool. Yeah, renny definitely benefited from being a "fun" dance album. Much more digestible and marketable.

 

11 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

I don't dislike CC, but it's not in my personal top 3 Bey albums.  I think Bey is authentically a country person, from the country.  But country music probably came less naturally to her than anything she's done before.

 

On the other hand, she is a rock star through and through.  Prince and Tina are her heroes.  I also imagine she knows act iii is going to be a showstopper, because she saved it for last, the grand finale of an ambitious project.  Plus, I think most of us like rock/funk more than country. 

Wow, that's interesting. I thought this album was such a Beyonce-esque album. I know it's country for all intents and purposes but the first time I heard it, I was so surprised at how she was seemingly able to fit so many different genres on one album cohesively (yes, I know that's debatable lol). It's an amalgamation fever dream of so many different sounds and callbacks to me. Like, I'm hearing gospel influences, r&b influences, rock n roll, blues, etc. And in a way, that's part of why I love Bey's music overall. She's...weird for lack of a better word? Like, obviously not in a truly alt Imogen Heap or Bjork way but for a pop star  I can't explain it eloquently but as an example, no one else could make songs as weird as Get Me Bodied, RTW, and Formation sound good to me except for her. And CC is like a masterclass of that to me. And I think Ya Ya and American Requiem are two of the most Beyonce sounding songs ever. Like if I could bottle Bey up and put her in a song, it'd be Ya Ya for me. But even with all of that being said, I'm a black woman born & raised in the south so maybe there's a different connection to the sounds and stylistic choices for me. I think I saw someone say it in here the other day but music is so cool. How it can sound completely different from person to person.

 

Yeah, I agree about the rock star point. She said she's making the best music of her career when CC was released. I think act 3 is gonna be a treat. 

[sillycilla]

 

 

Could just be coincidences. 

[PrettyHurts]

Daily reminder re. the tweet below:

 

1. Live Nation/Michael Rapino also produce films. They invested $20m in The Weeknd's new music film being released in May.

2. The Houston Rodeo is promoted by AEG/AXS, the direct competitor of Live Nation/Ticketmaster.

 

 

 

[Joaco95]

5 hours ago, alien superstore said:

 The music was very successful despite being avant garde and experimental.

 

That album is not avant garde and experimental 

[king_queen]

40 minutes ago, Joaco95 said:

That album is not avant garde and experimental 

 

This is definitely experimental but ppl give brat wayyy too much

 

I love brat and charli xcx but the sequencing on the album alone is horrible. I had to combine both the OG and the remix albums to make something that sounded cohesive and I've never done that with any Beyoncé album.

 

There is not a single section of brat > tracks 20-24 on CC so there's that 

[kimberly]

2 hours ago, king_queen said:

And what angle is that?

1. BRAT is more popular

   - it came out later, but has better streams.

2. BRAT remained in the zeitgeist longer

   - due to promo, remixes, Kamala's campaign, Sweat Tour...

3. BRAT is a Grammy breakthrough, an underdog story

   - people love to root for the underdog. Charli was due for acclaim and this was the year she finally found it.

 

these are the narratives BRAT has going and the leg up it has on Cowboy Carter in certain areas.

 

now, if you ask me, neither Beyoncé or Charli will be winning AOTY. Billie and Chappell seem much more likely to me.

[Kristie Kuwa]

I was wondering why Diva is returning back to such strong streams and its because people use it for all badass scenes of Squid Game 2 on social media. We love to see it!

Edited yesterday at 06:52 AM by Kristie Kuwa

[king_queen]

33 minutes ago, kimberly said:

1. BRAT is more popular

   - it came out later, but has better streams.

2. BRAT remained in the zeitgeist longer

   - due to promo, remixes, Kamala's campaign, Sweat Tour...

3. BRAT is a Grammy breakthrough, an underdog story

   - people love to root for the underdog. Charli was due for acclaim and this was the year she finally found it.

 

these are the narratives BRAT has going and the leg up it has on Cowboy Carter in certain areas.

 

now, if you ask me, neither Beyoncé or Charli will be winning AOTY. Billie and Chappell seem much more likely to me.

Beyoncé has been in the exact same position in the past (with better albums) and other albums won over her I don't see why that can't happen with CC.

 

Im not getting my hopes up, but brat ain't even all that for y'all to be in THIS base going up for it like this 

[kimberly]

3 minutes ago, king_queen said:

Beyoncé has been in the exact same position in the past (with better albums) and other albums won over her I don't see why that can't happen with CC.

 

Im not getting my hopes up, but brat ain't even all that for y'all to be in THIS base going up for it like this 

Beyoncé has never been the Grammys underdog, really, because she already had awards, acclaim, success. it's not the same.

 

plus, obviously, Beyoncé is a Black woman. she's going to have to work twice as hard to get half as much back. that's nothing new and shouldn't be a revelation, either. no Black woman has won AOTY this century. 

 

BRAT (+the remix album) was my most-played album last year, even though Bey ended up being my top artist. it's been an exciting moment for Charli fans who can finally feel vindicated that the world is catching on to her genius. it's ok not get BRAT and say it's not for you, but I'm only going up so hard for it because some of y'all are trying to undermine it and/or create a false narrative that the same reasons BRAT could win apply to Cowboy Carter/Renaissance/etc.

 

again, I don't think either Charli or Bey will win it this year. there are safer options and I'd bet on Billie, if I had to pick. she could even sweep AOTY/ROTY/SOTY.

[Kristie Kuwa]

Yall need to let AOTY go. She literally lost against Harry Styles with an immaculate album like Renaissance. She lost against Beck despite completely changing the game with ST. 

The Grammys have literally told her "no matter what you do, we wont give it to you".

So please, make your peace with it and keep it moving. 

[kimberly]

exactly. she should have multiple AOTY trophies already but she's not only never won AOTY, she's only won 1 single general field award out of her 32 wins. Jay said it in that speech last year, the math ain't mathing.

 

Renaissance losing was the biggest slap in the face for me. it is an immaculate album and is probably my all-time favorite. not only did it lose, it lost to the most vanilla, basic, uninteresting option. doubled down the following year with Mid winning over SOS.

 

at least Billie Eilish did actually put out a great album this year. Chappell and Charli did so, too. those albums winning wouldn't be as insulting as B*ck and H*rry Styl*s.

[ScorpiosGroove]

5 hours ago, sillycilla said:

Could just be coincidences. 

you want another coincidence ? there's a surviving P. Diddy doc releasing on the 14th