1 hour ago, mons†er said:

I want 18 songs with 4 being covers. Preferably 'Maybe' by Janis Joplin, 'Piece Of My Heart' by Big Brother & Janis, 'River Deep, Mountain High' and 'Black Cat' by Janet Jackson. 

 

Im a SUCKER for when Beyonce growls and just lets loose vocally which is why I want a Janis Joplin cover so bad. I just know she would unleash so much emotion. 

yeah but she's not gonna use covers unless they fit the narrative of the album 

 

1 hour ago, Draper. said:

No. She keeps showing up because she is the most awarded and nominated individual in Grammy's history. If she stops submitting, everyone will take their chance to call her ungrateful and to say she thinks of herself like a goddess, like they always do. 

I think her continued submissions are more a flex to keep extending her status as most awarded / nominated. If she stops, she'll eventually be eclipsed by some of her peers who are already outselling ala Taylor.

 

There's also the angle of giving hope of Grammy wins to her project contributors. Beyond the prestige of working with her, they're further incentivised to deliver their best work in hope of nabbing awards. 
 

All that said…
 

Given how much everyone knows she's overdue for AOTY, I don't think many would scoff at her for stopping submitting. Granted we'd all know it'd be because of the snubs, she'd actually be well placed to stop submitting now aka at the exact point she became most awarded. Top line, it would give the illusion of waving farewell after reaching the mountain top - which is actually great PR. She could be seen as further diving into her Prince bag of not being defined by sales or awards and kinda entering that megastar level of basically being "above" all of that. In reality, those that "know" would clock that it's simply due to the snubs lol.

 

In any case, she'll keep submitting and I just hope it one day pays off. I personally don't even count her "most awarded" wins thing seriously as the semantics of those wins not including next to any general field wins is deeply unsettling. The key take away being: you're good enough to win in "your" lane (R&B) but when stacked up against your (mostly Caucasian) peers (in general field), you don't meet the mark. Ever. It's a huge slap in the face and says so much. 

33 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

Given how much everyone knows she's overdue for AOTY, I don't think many would scoff at her for stopping submitting. Granted we'd all know it'd be because of the snubs, she'd actually be well placed to stop submitting now aka at the exact point she became most awarded. Top line, it would give the illusion of waving farewell after reaching the mountain top - which is actually great PR. She could be seen as further diving into her Prince bag of not being defined by sales or awards and kinda entering that megastar level of basically being "above" all of that. In reality, those that "know" would clock that it's simply due to the snubs lol.

That makes no sense at all. I understand not being defined by sales, but getting awards is part of Beyoncé's personality to the public, and she's given them importance for so long that there's no way to turn that back without looking a complete fool. 

1 hour ago, Draper. said:

That makes no sense at all. I understand not being defined by sales, but getting awards is part of Beyoncé's personality to the public, and she's given them importance for so long that there's no way to turn that back without looking a complete fool. 

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

Because while getting all those awards has undoubtedly contributed to Beyonce's status today, the MJ's of the world are still considered to be on the loftiest level of celebrity (and higher than Bey) with just 13 Grammys to his name. Of course, he came up at a different time and with different circumstances, but it goes to show that come a certain a point legacy and positioning outpace awards for the top artists (which is what Bey is). 

 

At this point in Bey's career, Grammy wins are "nice" but are in no way definitive of anything. New wins feel decorative rather than definitive. From a PR / brand enhancement perspective, she's squeezed all she can from the Grammy well (outside of AOTY and even then they look dumb and out of touch for not giving it to her vs her lacking in any way because of her not winning). 

 

So, while she's given it importance in the past, she has several easy "outs" to not attach as much importance to it...now. 

 

And IMO, the same Bey is making clear that she's redefining a lot about her brand in the here and now. From doing away with perfection to saying no to opportunities to not overextending herself promo-wise. Veering away from seeking Grammy approval (though not something she seems ready to do just yet) feels like a natural next step if they keep playing in her face. And is a step I don't see her getting ANY backlash for.

Edited October 8, 20241 yr by Cbreezy

7 hours ago, king_queen said:

act i- Grace Jones

act ii- Dolly Parton

act iii- Cher Tina Turner

 

1 hour ago, Cbreezy said:

I think her continued submissions are more a flex to keep extending her status as most awarded / nominated. If she stops, she'll eventually be eclipsed by some of her peers who are already outselling ala Taylor.

I'm not saying she can't, given the speed with which she's churning out her mediocre albums, but I highly doubt this.

 

That girl has won more than 2 Grammys in one night only once, when she won 3 during 1989. Her categories are much more limited and she's not a Grammy darling when it comes to her songs individually. The last time Grammys awarded a song award to her was in 2013, it was for "Best Song Written for Visual Media" for the Hunger Games song she did 

 

You're right that she's creeping up on Bey, but I'm not too worried. For comparison, Bey swept up 4 awards for RENAISSANCE even though she didn't win the big one. That's better numbers-wise than the blond girl's best night.

The Carters strike back!

 

 

Its about time

32 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

And IMO, the same Bey is making clear that she's redefining a lot about her brand in the here and now. From doing away with perfection to saying no to opportunities to not overextending herself promo-wise. Veering away from seeking Grammy approval (though not something she seems ready to do just yet) feels like a natural next step if they keep playing in her face. And is a step I don't see her getting ANY backlash for.

I'm not saying she's seeking Grammy approval. I'm just saying that doing the not submitting gimmick to prove a point, and throwing a speech around it about "not being defined by awards" will just make her look like a bitter fool. Like it did for Drake or Zach Bryan.

 

She's doing it her way: appearing mid ceremony without doing a red carpet, not performing and now, undersubmitting. She doesn't look ungrateful but she doesn't entirely play their game either. 

mama said see you in court 

It needed to be done, they can't let that crazy go on a press tour like that. Hopefully they go after everyone. 

1 minute ago, Shelter said:

It needed to be done, they can't let that crazy go on a press tour like that. Hopefully they go after everyone. 

What I like about it is that they don't seem to even be bothering to engage with Jaguar herself. They're hitting the show/s with legal letters and likely dissuading other shows from platforming her. It's smart.

 

She's too wild and unbridled to contain but the shows have legal mandates to uphold so won't want the smoke and likely avoid her altogether.

all these damn essays. 

 

I'm so glad they're addressing these crazy ass conspiracies, it needs to be done, it can literally ruin their brand. 
 

 

1 hour ago, R.E.M. said:

 

My post was about iconic collabs not influences…

 

Tina's no longer with us sis… 

So glad they are going after ppl who actually have something to lose 

 

Do Kathy Griffin's hating ass next 

 

PLEASE 

17 hours ago, TizTiz said:

 

THE IS HER BEST ALBUM COVER

(Hard copy only, but the point still stands)

 

This one photo sums up "BEYONCÉ" and her inspiration behind imperfections ironically, but iconically! 

Her need to embrace her body afterwards gaining weight during her pregnancy, said pregnancy she was TOLD she was faking, masked the need to be sexier for her husband, who spent the time cheating. It's not a coincidence that she was trying to be her sexiest on what was described as her 'most daring' or 'most personal' album. 

I would take a deep dive into the symbolism in this photo, but I could honestly go on all day about how her industry changing album showed the crack in her personal life. The epitome of 'smile & wave' as an era. One photo tells a million stories. 
 

i wouldve loved if this was the cover on everything. i remember opening the CD and being SHOOK seeing this

Why is she outside??? It took me a second to figure out which blonde white woman she was.  
 

 

3 minutes ago, Fleahive said:

Why is she outside??? It took me a second to figure out which blonde white woman she was.  
 

 

Tina is being honored.

2 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

Tina is being honored.

I just saw Billie there too. Hope we get link up pics with her, Pamela Anderson, Kelsea Ballerini, and all the random yt women. We need all the positive promo we can get from them. 

her last two looks i'm obsessed with this hair 

3 new pages and all I see is Lemonade slander.

 

YA YA stans we up!  

 

She's serving Deena from Dream Girls 

 

This look 

Edited October 9, 20241 yr by mons†er