This is not good and I think it's simply the quality of music. Lyrically, she's getting worse with each album. Her lyrics are Damn near corny nowadays despite having many writers. The Dream should have been gone after 4.

Imagine freaking dragons getting more streams than her. I guess not sabotaging your music and sending songs to radio does wonders. 

Now it's the quality of music. Of course, because The Weeknd makes poetry.lol

4 minutes ago, Zoe_ said:

This is not good and I think it's simply the quality of music. Lyrically, she's getting worse with each album. Her lyrics are Damn near corny nowadays despite having many writers. The Dream should have been gone after 4.

One thing, no one will ever agree with you on is lack of quality lol.  In fact, that's why most of us are frustrated with her because the quality has always been there. Just say you didn't understand ballroom culture. 

 

Self titled, lemonade, and Renaissance are top tier. The problem has always been the lack of promo, management, and self sabotage. 

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4 minutes ago, Zoe_ said:

This is not good and I think it's simply the quality of music. Lyrically, she's getting worse with each album. Her lyrics are Damn near corny nowadays despite having many writers. The Dream should have been gone after 4.

Girl shut the **** up and get out is this thread

4 minutes ago, Draper. said:

Now it's the quality of music. Of course, because The Weeknd makes poetry.lol

But u dont get it: thats whats gonna happen in the future. Her catalog will be looked at and the lack of impact on the new gen and thus everything will be devalued in hindsight. Thats popculture. Thats why Janet Jackson doesn't matter, as sad as it is. She simply doesnt.

 

And people will go back and say Bey is overhyped, makes shitty music, doesnt deserve the respect (they already do so), and itll only get worse

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5 minutes ago, Zoe_ said:

This is not good and I think it's simply the quality of music. Lyrically, she's getting worse with each album. Her lyrics are Damn near corny nowadays despite having many writers. The Dream should have been gone after 4.

well you thought wrong I fear 

2 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

But u dont get it: thats whats gonna happen in the future. Her catalog will be looked at and the lack of impact on the new gen and thus everything will be devalued in hindsight. Thats popculture. Thats why Janet Jackson doesn't matter, as sad as it is. She simply doesnt.

This is precisely what I worry about. Beyonce wanted to be known as a top performer, but did the promo and music have to suffer in the meantime? 

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10 minutes ago, Draper. said:

She started a residency less than a month ago (monthly listeners), Bey's tour been around unchanged for 5 months.

the boost of a small JAZZ residency vs a stadium tour is not making the point you think it is 

9 minutes ago, Zoe_ said:

This is not good and I think it's simply the quality of music. Lyrically, she's getting worse with each album. Her lyrics are Damn near corny nowadays despite having many writers. The Dream should have been gone after 4.

BYE! quality is not the issue at all.

7 minutes ago, MrPiggyMoka said:

Girl shut the **** up and get out is this thread

Make me

I said what I said. I'd ordered box #3, and while I enjoy the instrumentals, the lyrics are cringy.

I suppose part of the problem is that she has so few unifying songs that are liked by all. Everything about her is so divisive. On the flip side, that also means that the listeners who love her really love her. Hopefully they will always be there

To think she’d be below Chris Brown if it wasn’t for Renaissance  AM is all she has. 

Seeing how ACT 2 is a ''country'' album...I wonder if she did these 3 albums fully prepared to bomb...

What this tells me is that she fully has gone arts not the charts and maybe the gift/the carters/black is king bombing caused another big shift in her like 4 flopping did

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7 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

But u dont get it: thats whats gonna happen in the future. Her catalog will be looked at and the lack of impact on the new gen and thus everything will be devalued in hindsight. Thats popculture. Thats why Janet Jackson doesn't matter, as sad as it is. She simply doesnt.

 

And people will go back and say Bey is overhyped, makes shitty music, doesnt deserve the respect (they already do so), and itll only get worse

I wasn’t ready for this truth serum. 

 

20 minutes ago, Zoe_ said:

This is not good and I think it's simply the quality of music. Lyrically, she's getting worse with each album. Her lyrics are Damn near corny nowadays despite having many writers. The Dream should have been gone after 4.

you’re not included in this conversation 

2 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

I wasn’t ready for this truth serum. 

 

like this realization that bey is heading towards a janet trajectory is kinda upsetting

3 minutes ago, Bicassie said:

Seeing how ACT 2 is a ''country'' album...I wonder if she did these 3 album fully prepared to bomb

Country is huge rn so it might actually do well in an alternate universe where she doesn’t actively sabotage her own career 

11 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

But u dont get it: thats whats gonna happen in the future. Her catalog will be looked at and the lack of impact on the new gen and thus everything will be devalued in hindsight. Thats popculture. Thats why Janet Jackson doesn't matter, as sad as it is. She simply doesnt.

Janet was erased, it´s a completely different thing. 

 

9 minutes ago, cloudbusting said:

the boost of a small JAZZ residency vs a stadium tour is not making the point you think it is 

It's not about the magnitude of things, it's about generating new content. Gaga is back on stage after one year and she's singing new versions of past hits. Yes, Rihanna hasn't released anything, but she's in the news because she just had a child and that's why her monthly listeners are going up. Again, this metric just shows reach not actual consumption: Bey outstreams Daddy Yankee, Gaga or Adele despite having less monthly listeners.

Just now, cloudbusting said:

Country is huge rn so it might actually do well in an alternate universe where she doesn’t actively sabotage her own career 

it wasnt when she made it tho...

1 minute ago, cloudbusting said:

Country is huge rn so it might actually do well in an alternate universe where she doesn’t actively sabotage her own career 

Idk the way country has become more homogenous, right wing, and the way they looked at her when she performed doesn’t bode well. Unless dolly embraces her. 

4 minutes ago, Bicassie said:

it wasnt when she made it tho...

she’s gonna wait for this wave to die down THEN release it 
 

3 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

Idk the way country has become more homogenous, right wing, and the way they looked at her when she performed doesn’t bode well. Unless dolly embraces her. 

listen if I don’t have my delusions I have NOTHING

5 minutes ago, Bicassie said:

like this realization that bey is heading towards a janet trajectory is kinda upsetting

!!!!!! 
 

I’ve been hoping after all these years the hive that told us to stop caring about radio, streams etc would say or show something that makes me think I’m overreacting. Yet the data isn’t reflecting that. 

 

I remember this exact dialogue happening when lemonade wasn’t released to Spotify and everything chart hive stated would happen has come to pass.

 

We’ve been comparing her to the wrong Jackson all this time. 

11 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

We’ve been comparing her to the wrong Jackson all this time. 

at least she’s serving boundary pushing MUSIQUE and concepts like that Jackson too 

7 hours ago, Anvarie said:

Let’s do research mama. Every fanbase on here thinks their fave is a legend. I’ve been hearing Rihanna, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Britney Spears are legends for the past 10 years and clearly people are lying! Hell I even see legends like Diana, Madonna, Luther, Tina called icons by people in and out of the industry. I rarely see people actually use the word legend for musical artists, it’s VERY rare. If you were to ask random GP members I really doubt they would label Bey a legend, in fact I bet Taylor would get more responses of that nature. The reality is the public is fickle, while we might enjoy the quality music, performance, and vision Beyoncé has given us all these years the public only knows what they hear on the radio and on these promoted playlists. So they’re familiar with what… Crazy in Love, Single Ladies, Run The World, Drunk in Love, Formation, etc. Meanwhile there’s crickets for the Dance For You, Love Drought, Jealous, All Night, Virgos Groove, etc all of these truly amazing songs that show her TALENT get paid dust by her team 

No first of all i am guessing you are white (no shade), but your environment must be extremely skewed. Diana, Madonna, Luther and TINA are actually referred to as LEGENDS and PIONEERS  in the real world. Now maybe in your circle, taylor swift might be called a legend, but that does not represent the actual scale, colour and range of people in the world. Taylor also has a lot of songs that are "crickets" depending on where you actually play them. So yes, BEYONCE is a legend, she is seen as one in the REAL WORLD and no amount of streams, lakes and rivers will change that.