ericcartman

Is she the first of the older female generation to have 3 1billion+ songs

Girl Bey is so far above these two

Yeah this is basically it. R&b became huge in the US over time so when pop girls who didn't conform to it struggled in the US, their fans sort of took their anger out on the genre which is dominated by black people. Thus the artists who made R&b music which did better in the US then Europe got called local. And then stans began equating local= big in the US while global = big in Europe. Even Janet whos stats are not as great in europe was huge in africa in addition to the US. But Africa is not relevant in their eyes so is not included as global. As long as their are black pop girls competing with white pop girls, this discussion will always exist. What mainly started during the Madonna/janet/Whitney/Mariah stan wars still exists today. Also not sure why people keep mentioning country artists or Taylocal as thats missing the point of the discussion.

It's a form of racism. Though some of them probably don't realize it. When white MPG stans who's faves didn't do as well in the US as Europe, they turned to the "local" drag in stan wars. Madonna stans were probably the first to do it during the Mariah vs Madonna wars of the 90s/00s. Even though they knew damn well a white woman with white skin and making pop music has the advantage in those markets. This has continued into the 00s and today with Taylor/Gaga/Britney stans using it against Beyonce.

Not surprised. The song is just not very good even in 2011.

Gaga is probably superior as a vocalist but Adele just sounds better on the ears

This will turn into a Gaga vs Madonna stanwar for some reason even though I was here for Gaga vs Xtina stanwar

Yup, they all would flop.

Is this the thing Taylor got this year and Mariah last year? Why was Madonna snubbed??

Grace abrams says hello

if they are going by quality sure take away Cowboy Carter win, and then give her Lemonade, Renaissance, and Self titled

Atrl will laugh but this is all part of campaigning that many have done before. The media just doesn't report this for everyone as generally people don't care. Still isn't it kind of early? Shes obviously getting a nomination; save the energy for the win.

Here for the Janet tea I didn't even know he had an album in 2024 wtf Lyme disease seems to be quite common among celebrities. Bieber, Avril, didn't Shania have it too?

Definitely gracie abrams