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Nothing about these scream Disney... atleast to me. And this is coming from someone who used to like Taylor but doesn't now.

Woke 3.0 will be if not worse than all of those eras combined. Lots of transphobia, homophobia "terms" I feel like are already creeping up.

I agree.. I just find it so bizarre how some people who have done considerably worse seem to receive far less scrutiny or backlash. And you'd honestly be surprised by how many people who are so vocal about hating on certain artists are stanning artists with equally problematic, if not worse, pasts lol. I think there's a lot of selective accountability when it comes to these conversations that not a lot of people like to admit.

Weirdly enough, I could see her going the podcaster route. Like doing political debates. Now I don't condone or support MAGA, but from a psychological perspective it would be interesting to hear her god awful yet interesting "takes"

The recent Slayyyter drama has got me thinking about how we perceive artists' past online behaviour and how much weight we actually put on someone's digital footprint. Camila Cabello had a very similar situation with her old tweets resurfacing, but I also think there are quite a few other artists whose past online behaviour is either rarely discussed or conveniently left out of these conversations. Personally, I find the whole subject interesting because I do believe people can grow out of certain mindsets and behaviours, especially when we're talking about things they said years ago. Where I find things particularly interesting is the inconsistency. Some artists have their entire reputations shaped by things they said online years ago, while others seem to have a much easier time distancing themselves from their pasts. So I'm curious: how much does an artist's digital footprint actually influence the way you view them? Would you stop supporting someone over old tweets, Tumblr posts, online interactions etc.? Does a genuine apology change your perception, or do you think certain things will always follow someone? And do you think the industry and fanbases are consistent with who they choose to hold accountable?

Oh this isn't trying to snark on her at all, I'm just genuinely wondering if she's decided to step back and play a 'puppet' and just hand the label albums that just make money / generic / fans will eat it up. Cuz given her last releases... it's starting to show a pattern. "provides the label with money (not to sound conspiratorial lol) / someone who can churn out simple, digestible pop with little artistic identity, creative input or genuine care for what they're putting out." -- all very true for her in this state of her career. Maybe not as early as one would describe a "puppet" to be --a-la Britney-- but she's kinda falling into that category.

I was having this convo with an oomf of mine and I wanted to bring it here. Would you consider Taylor to be a pop puppet? .. By pop puppet, I mean someone who serves the masses and or provides the label with money (not to sound conspiratorial lol) / someone who can churn out simple, digestible pop with little artistic identity, creative input or genuine care for what they're putting out. Because I feel like her work has been lacking more and more over the years, and I'm not even talking about commercial success. She's obviously bigger than ever, but creatively I feel like there's been a decline. TLOSG honestly felt like a huge flop to me, and even The Tortured Poets Department, for as much praise as it gets, is incredibly boring and repetitive. A lot of the songwriting feels sloppy to me too. Do you think she's genuinely as involved in her artistry/albums as people make her out to be, or has she become more of a product of the industry at this point? I truly feel like there's a bigger conversation to be had about how much creative control she actually has versus how much of the 'Taylor Swift' brand is being manufactured around her.

Cirkut kinda had to... He was discovered by Dr. Luke

It's gonna be that Katy Perry Lifetimes movie all over again btch.

I can understand why working with Max isn't necessarily an option for her now, but I'm specifically talking about 2014-2016, when she was still signed to a major label and the lawsuit was at its peak. I mean she was still under RCA and she had a couple albums left in her contract...

I think this is rewriting history a little lol. Kesha wasn't some underappreciated indie artist waiting for the GP to discover she could sing. The party girl image WORKED, until the market started moving on. Also, blaming RCA when her first era was commercially massive feels a little revisionist. The Dr. Luke situation absolutely complicated things, but the idea that a few ballads and a piano performance would've saved her career is wishful thinking.

I've always wondered this because Max was literally right there during her early career and helped produce her first two albums alongside Dr. Luke. And considering how much of a hitmaking machine he was, you'd think her label would've wanted to make him a bigger part of her sound. I feel like she could've had an entirely different career trajectory sonically, especially once the whole party girl thing started getting stale. From what I can find, there was no clause specifically requiring her to work with Max, obviously, but her contract with Luke's production company did give him significant control over her recordings and required him to produce at least six songs per album. That doesn't mean she was contractually required to have him produce every single song, though... The way people talk about Kesha's career, you'd think Luke was the only producer on the planet who could make a hit record for her. and I can't help but wonder what would've happened if she'd been pushed in a different direction sonically while she was still at her commercial peak.. and why there seemingly wasn't a bigger push to have Max take the lead on her music.

I actually agree with this to an extent. I feel like the party girl image was so tied to that specific era of pop music that once the sound started fading out, it became harder for her to maintain that same level of mainstream success. Which is a shame because I think Kesha had a lot more to offer beyond that image.

I'm only asking because I feel like this was a pretty common topic around the time of her debut, yet nobody really mentions it anymore (as far as I can see). I don't see why it's such an outrageous question to ask lol, especially considering people were making these exact same comparisons back then.

So when are we getting First Love 2.0...