How Can I Dance (Demo), Lovin Myself, Wet Hot American Dream, Know Somebody (Demo), Lost Your Faith, and World's Smallest Violin (demo). Makes 6/12 tracks and assuming the demos are close to the final product this album isn't looking like it'll match her previous ones. 

 

The singles being made mere months ago is just odd and perhaps explains the lack of label support. I'm starting to believe the hard to work with rumors just because she's always taking selfies in the studio but we're somehow ending up with a Frankenstein album. I just hope there's a deluxe and she adds My Oh My and Spot a Fake because that's the only way the album will reach more than 100M streams.

48 minutes ago, slashcrs said:

is it safe to say they made up late last year and Ava decided to scrap the better, seemingly cohesive album about betrayal?  her scrambling and having to come up with something in a few weeks would explain why HCID and World's Smallest Violin are even being used…

Cirkut was mad after she released Spot A Fake and even unfollowed her. he probably forced her to scrap this album.

5 hours ago, Burqa said:

a new song called The Cards has surfaced. it heavily samples Paint It Black lol. definitely sounds more in line with Spot a Fake/My Oh My than Lovin' Myself and WHAM

We really needed that dark dance album 

1 hour ago, Ava Max said:

We really needed that dark dance album 

Like

how did that get canned but we're getting this awful 80s ****

Edited July 2, 20251 yr by Shoful

16 minutes ago, Shoful said:

Like

how did that get canned but we're getting this awful 80s ****

I'm blaming chappell roan 

9 hours ago, Burqa said:

a new song called The Cards has surfaced. it heavily samples Paint It Black lol. definitely sounds more in line with Spot a Fake/My Oh My than Lovin' Myself and WHAM

Yes that was part of the dark pop album about betrayal it also included Jackpot, Lonely People and Red Lipstick 

6 hours ago, Burqa said:

yeah How Can I Dance is definitely a D&D scrap lol it's so mid

if she's gonna keep releasing old outtakes she might as well release the good ones: costume and silhouette are begging to be released 

Emotions, Wild Thing, Move, Love Me Bad, No Deja Vu, 2 Sides, Climb, Dance Through The Fire, Die Alive, Never Be Yours, One Night, Opposites Attract, Power, Scandalous, Slam, Take It All

5 hours ago, Nefertiti0 said:

Cirkut was mad after she released Spot A Fake and even unfollowed her. he probably forced her to scrap this album.

And Madison. This just proves the theory I came across right. She was gonna blow the lid off both of them and once she started to move ahead with it then probably caused her reputation to take a hit and burn industry bridges which is crazy. She was the one that got screwed over. How they're able to control what she says and puts out about that is wild.

6 hours ago, SchmoodRing said:

Yes that was part of the dark pop album about betrayal it also included Jackpot, Lonely People and Red Lipstick 

Ughhhhh why wasnt this released. I forgot how good Red Lipstick is 

Im like so annoyed cause The Cards and Lonely People are way better than anything from dcp

On 6/27/2025 at 10:38 PM, BlueBlue said:

How to fix this Ava era 

First bring back My oh my to be a lead single. It is a great song miles better than these two singles. Add Spot A Fake too because this was also great. Album with spy theme and title would be great because these are vibes from these songs. It would be looked much better. This cover art and tracklist sounds like random singles playlist  

Stop with America. Next single being something something America doesn't help her at all because nobody is in mood for american things since a lot of stuff is happening in the world and she needs to focus on Europe because it's her main target. Radio stations in europe are playing anything from her and for some reason she cares more about America and America doesn't care about her at all like whats the point

Yeah she NEEDS to tack on My Oh My and Spot A Fake onto the deluxe. Those at least had personality. She's starting to become a caricature of herself trying to recreate what she's done in the past with Cirkut and Madison Love and even og Avatars aren't here for it. She should've learned after The Motto people were here for a dark pop club record from her.

 

Also I need to call out alot of ya for being fake because when MOM first dropped yall weren't here for it but now your praising it to the high heavens like its giving spot a fake.mp3

 

Also the album title is really bothering me because it's making it easier for people who already use her a punching bag to continue piling on her. I prefer the original album title MADE FROM SCRATCH. Again so far besides the label trouble, no management, whatever fallout she had with Madison and Cirkut really did a number on her professionally and personally because the way that her career has gone since then doesn't make any sense but then how was she cleared to reuse D&D scraps for this album though? How are they ok with that but then barred her from her original dark album? Cause let's be for real it's not like Ava was gonna give us some Lemonade level detail so the fact that they got her to scrap it and now we're essentially stuck with a playlist is wild. 

 

Wet Hot American Summer is cute but the imagery and lyricism is just not it considering our current climate. She needs to get in the studio with people like Charli XCX, Raye, Stargate, Lostboy (GET OFF YOUR PHONE AND WORK AVA!!!), RedOne, Bonnie McKee and MNEK!

 

Spot A Fake also would've been a great album title with the single art as the album cover too. Other great titles that could've worked with her original dark and betrayal album with your brilliantly suggested spy theme would be:

 

• Out Of Sight

• Under Surveillance 

• Cloak And Dagger 

• Secret Service 

• Keep Under Observation 

• Double Agent 

• Behind Closed Doors

• Off The Record

• Strictly Confidential 

• Public Affair

• Top Secret

• Covert Affairs

• Private Valentine 

• Corporate Espionage 

• Undercover Methods

• Chasing Shadows 

• Obscure Fantasy
• Angel Scars
• Virtual Insanity
• Operation Exhibitionist

• Just Keep Watching

 

Or cater to the gays and keep the tradition of alliteration in her album titles and called the record PARTY AND PLAY simple! 

 

At this point this hoe owes me money cause Ive been acting manager for too long 😒 

 

 

On 6/29/2025 at 8:53 PM, LikeAChampion said:

Dove Cameron has an unhealthy obsession with charts and a bad habit of falsely blaming her label for not putting out an album. She's also earned a bad reputation among big industry songwriters and those are the last people you want to piss off when you're trying to start a career. Ava will be fine. 

I mean that also comes with signing to a label every artist has that pressure of having to deliver success to execs or else their releases never see the light of day, they don't get promoted or invested into. I don't think Dove is the reason we didn't get Celestial Body when it was obvious the underperformances of her following singles is why we got an EP only.

On 6/30/2025 at 3:43 AM, skwonderfactory said:

You've heard it? If so, can you please give a track-by-track review/run down? Thanks!

How Can I Dance, Know Somebody, Fight For Me and World's Smallest Violin have been confirmed by insiders to be solid tracks

On 6/30/2025 at 6:02 PM, blonderebellion said:

need more details on this tea omg

One of the writers from one of her original songs before she scrubbed everything when she rebranded spilled the tea on how they were basically told last minute and to not take it personal and the writer who needs these songs out cause that's how they make their living was just taken aback. They did say it could've been a label thing but were rubbed the wrong way about it was all handled only for her to now say recently that she wants to put her old music back like girl what was the point Dx 

On 7/1/2025 at 7:59 AM, Reginald said:

I'm gonna need miss thing to release more lyrically imaginative bops like Sleepwalker, Ghost, Sweet But Psycho, or Kings & Queens. Something that gives the fantasy. 

She confirmed in an interview that the album has a few songs similar to Kings And Queens

On 7/1/2025 at 8:28 PM, tkoivan said:

How Can I Dance (Demo), Lovin Myself, Wet Hot American Dream, Know Somebody (Demo), Lost Your Faith, and World's Smallest Violin (demo). Makes 6/12 tracks and assuming the demos are close to the final product this album isn't looking like it'll match her previous ones. 

 

The singles being made mere months ago is just odd and perhaps explains the lack of label support. I'm starting to believe the hard to work with rumors just because she's always taking selfies in the studio but we're somehow ending up with a Frankenstein album. I just hope there's a deluxe and she adds My Oh My and Spot a Fake because that's the only way the album will reach more than 100M streams.

She's not hard to work with. That was just ONE SONG WRITER who complained about her being on her phone and disconnected from engaging in the recording process and that was for a song called Business Is Business produced by Lostboy who produced other bops for her so clearly it was just an off day. She's literally just doing whatever she can on her own which is sad because that means she has no support system around her but girl that's what networking is for like ain't you friends with Bebe, Rita and Dua sis? Hit them up for advice or help or a feature or a collaboration something! 

Jfc. 

she's been in the game for so long and she's still so FACELESS to the public

Wait I thought Atlantic had dropped her? They are still promoting the era

She needs to just drop Made From Scratch. How revealing would her songs even be. She doesn't write in exact statements like Taylor Swift. Also which songs are Lostboy

7 minutes ago, Leewallace18 said:

Wait I thought Atlantic had dropped her? They are still promoting the era

No her management team did not label

5 minutes ago, Leewallace18 said:

Wait I thought Atlantic had dropped her? They are still promoting the era

she wasn't dropped. she has parted ways with her management.


you've probably seen this tweet
this fan keeps posting fake news

6 hours ago, SchmoodRing said:

Yeah she NEEDS to tack on My Oh My and Spot A Fake onto the deluxe. Those at least had personality. She's starting to become a caricature of herself trying to recreate what she's done in the past with Cirkut and Madison Love and even og Avatars aren't here for it. She should've learned after The Motto people were here for a dark pop club record from her.

 

Also I need to call out alot of ya for being fake because when MOM first dropped yall weren't here for it but now your praising it to the high heavens like its giving spot a fake.mp3

 

Also the album title is really bothering me because it's making it easier for people who already use her a punching bag to continue piling on her. I prefer the original album title MADE FROM SCRATCH. Again so far besides the label trouble, no management, whatever fallout she had with Madison and Cirkut really did a number on her professionally and personally because the way that her career has gone since then doesn't make any sense but then how was she cleared to reuse D&D scraps for this album though? How are they ok with that but then barred her from her original dark album? Cause let's be for real it's not like Ava was gonna give us some Lemonade level detail so the fact that they got her to scrap it and now we're essentially stuck with a playlist is wild. 

 

Wet Hot American Summer is cute but the imagery and lyricism is just not it considering our current climate. She needs to get in the studio with people like Charli XCX, Raye, Stargate, Lostboy (GET OFF YOUR PHONE AND WORK AVA!!!), RedOne, Bonnie McKee and MNEK!

 

Spot A Fake also would've been a great album title with the single art as the album cover too. Other great titles that could've worked with her original dark and betrayal album with your brilliantly suggested spy theme would be:

 

• Out Of Sight

• Under Surveillance 

• Cloak And Dagger 

• Secret Service 

• Keep Under Observation 

• Double Agent 

• Behind Closed Doors

• Off The Record

• Strictly Confidential 

• Public Affair

• Top Secret

• Covert Affairs

• Private Valentine 

• Corporate Espionage 

• Undercover Methods

• Chasing Shadows 

• Obscure Fantasy
• Angel Scars
• Virtual Insanity
• Operation Exhibitionist

• Just Keep Watching

 

Or cater to the gays and keep the tradition of alliteration in her album titles and called the record PARTY AND PLAY simple! 

 

At this point this hoe owes me money cause Ive been acting manager for too long 😒 

 

 

Enough with Chat GPT. Ava has been using it enough herself.

the new song being not available on tidal Malaysia because they did not provide halal cover……miss girl missing my 5 streams 

 

upd: welp, it is there after 2 days…

Edited July 3, 20251 yr by naprasno

i think we just need to accept Ava for what she is tbh (fun and mediocre)

 

btw in case people aren't aware, atrl has an ignore users feature. it's made my life more enjoyable

 

Ok I compiled an album of all the leaked scrapped songs and they're all so much better than DCP singles

I got an e-mail from Ticketmaster that her concert in Poland is cancelled. Anybody knows why?