18 minutes ago, Sailor Moon said:

zerobaseone ... last??

Uhm what is ZB1 known for, outside of acting gay? Like have you seen how horrible their streams are? 

 

16 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

ILLIT is too high on Pluto's ranking for a group that neither have good international streams (anymore), good domestic charting (anymore), nor sell well and most likely won't tour well either

 

Bestie, I know you have a vendetta against ILLIT, since you're a NJ stan, but we need to be objective here

 

16 minutes ago, illia said:

Do you consider Katseye as kpop?

They are under the Kpop umbrella and their audience are mostly Kpop stans as well

7 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

 

Where's Hunter x Hunter or Gintama inspired songs 

 

They need to watch better shounens

 

 

I never understood the hype around One Piece. I'm on episode 138, and It's still so underwhelming compared to other anime.

 

I just started watching Hunter X Hunter (2011), and it's way better 

3 minutes ago, OrbitNumber1 said:

This will be a more domestic focused generation than the last. Global interest in k-pop has peaked and agencies will take that note sooner or later. There's a reason why SM debuted a girl group that has more Asian/domestic appeal than the Western-friendly aespa, they know that ship has sailed.

aespa is the 2nd best selling girl group of all time on Hanteo and has been in the top 10 of the year end Circle chart for 3 of the last 4 years.

Edited June 22, 20251 yr by Ubermensch

30 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

ILLIT is too high on Pluto's ranking for a group that neither have good international streams (anymore), good domestic charting (anymore), nor sell well and most likely won't tour well either

 

 

Just now, Ubermensch said:

aespa is the 2nd best selling girl group of all time on Hanteo and has been in the top 10 of the year end chart for 3 of the last 4 years.

How did you read "aespa has no success domestically" in what I wrote? 

2 minutes ago, OrbitNumber1 said:

How did you read "aespa has no success domestically" in what I wrote? 

aespa is west friendly AND east friendly AND KWANGYA friendly I fear 

by the way aespa is 900k units off from becoming the best selling gg. I hope that one bitter dive is ready for next week 

15 minutes ago, LovemeTear said:

You know everyone did too much on calling 4th gen bgs flops… cause the way 5th gen bgs don't even have a concept of relevance internationally 

 

Like 5th gen bgs are the most irrelevant bg gen internationally since 1st gen, achieveing that in kpop global era is a feat!

The way you spoke facts, cause even ATEEZ  are more relevant than any 5th gen bg globally

 

12 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

I think RIIZE, BND and ZB1 are bigger. Even though they don't have good numbers internationally, at least there are some categories they stand out.

 

ILLIT for me is closer to TWS since only were stand outs during the debut era

 

The only thing these bgs have over ILLIT are sales though. Otherwise ILLIT stomps. 

 

8 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

And It saved their career

 

 

 

They are truly the Kpop act with the most creative freedom in history

Just now, Ubermensch said:

aespa is west friendly AND east friendly AND KWANGYA friendly I fear 

Poor wording I guess, but you know exactly what I meant. I mean SM will move the focus away from the West with the new group. That was no shade to aespa, calm the **** down

GD impact part 45678

Just now, OrbitNumber1 said:

Poor wording I guess, but you know exactly what I meant. I mean SM will move the focus away from the West with the new group. That was no shade to aespa, calm the **** down

i think you're misreading me taking your post as an excuse to glaze aespa as some kind of personal shade 

Just now, Ubermensch said:

GD impact part 45678

GD impact in terms of what? 

One Piece being loved and respected by kpop idols

 

And N/Aruto? @Pluto6

 

13 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

Uhm what is ZB1 known for, outside of acting gay? Like have you seen how horrible their streams are? 

2 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

GD impact in terms of what? 

your favs are literally stans and the king has graciously shown them love in return, let's not do this today

Edited June 22, 20251 yr by Ubermensch

 

 

Just now, Ubermensch said:

your favs are literally stans let's not do this today

I'm just confused? You seriously aren't trying to indicate that SKZ being inspired by One Piece has actually anything to with G-Dragon right? 

Just now, Bewitched said:

 

 

dispatch has the opportunity to do something really really really funny in a few months

Just now, Pluto6 said:

I'm just confused? You seriously aren't trying to indicate that SKZ being inspired by One Piece has actually anything to with G-Dragon right? 

Everybody knows G-Dragon founded shonen jump after he decided owning the music industry wasn't enough. 

6 minutes ago, illia said:

One Piece being loved and respected by kpop idols

 

And N/Aruto? @Pluto6

 

And nothing for Jojo's Bizarre Adventure

 

5 minutes ago, JonginBey said:

Do you have a problem? 

2 minutes ago, Ubermensch said:

Everybody knows G-Dragon founded shonen jump after he decided owning the music industry wasn't enough. 

if that makes you sleep at night I guess

Just now, Pluto6 said:

if that makes you sleep at night I guess

These soothing tones are the only thing that help me sleep at night(again, your favs stan this)

 

Everyday we get new rumors about the songs that the BP2 boys are gonna be covering for their first mission and Sangwon is rumored to be in Blue team and I had no idea that people didn't like Blue and I don't understand why ??? It's probably in the top 3 of best ZB1 titles for me (I liked it even better than Good So Bad at first listen).

 

 

 

Whiplash is rumored to be there too, sad Sangwon didn't end up in that one because he would have slayed hard, but well, maybe next time

Edited June 22, 20251 yr by Darkling

TWICE are still the the best selling Kpop gg according to Circle, which is the REAL chart. And if we combine Circle/Hanteo with their sales in Japan, then it's a total stomp 

Edited June 22, 20251 yr by Pluto6

ZB1 ended SKZ in South Korea 

 

3 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

TWICE are still the the best selling gg if we look at Circle, which is the REAL chart. And if we combine Circle/Hanteo with their sales in Japan, then it's a total stomp 

Several of the largest retailers in Japan report to Hanteo, and ALL Hanteo sales are reported by Circle as well. aespa and Twice are basically tied for sales rn so whoever sells more this month can rightfully rip the crown back from that embarrassing group.

Edited June 22, 20251 yr by Ubermensch