3 minutes ago, Ubermensch said:

Now actually clock that tea.

Like yes child exploitation is bad but I feel most of the discourse is used to fuel fanwars instead of people genuinely caring how the idols are being treated.

4 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

18 should be the age requirement to debut, no excuses  

I guess you hate SNSD and Red Velvet then

Just now, Ubermensch said:

I guess you hate SNSD and Red Velvet then

It's called stanning them on the right time with the right musical output  

6 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

It's called stanning them on the right time with the right musical output  

But you just said no excuses, and this is, checks notes, excuses?

 

8 minutes ago, JO1s said:

Like yes child exploitation is bad but I feel most of the discourse is used to fuel fanwars instead of people genuinely caring how the idols are being treated.

Plus imo there's something to be said about the fact that even after a couple years of being exposed to public scrutiny and the working conditions of the industry, that every single member of NJZ was fully ready to re-commit to idol group activities and the parents were fully supportive as well. 

 

It is extremely tragic though that these kids dedicated their lives to an industry that they are now effectively banned from working in. 

Edited March 21, 20251 yr by Ubermensch

 

boom

9 minutes ago, JO1s said:

Like yes child exploitation is bad but I feel most of the discourse is used to fuel fanwars instead of people genuinely caring how the idols are being treated.

they all deserves some lashings too. hellweird being the biggest offender and they needs to be called out. 

 

That being said Kpop is in the hot seats bc they keep on debuting minors. New Jeans being the biggest example whose sole concept revolves around being young  

 

5 minutes ago, Ubermensch said:

But you just said no excuses, and this is, checks notes, excuses?

 

 

 Yes I dislike how young they were, happy now? glad I discovered them during when they were actually capable performing adults  

Edited March 21, 20251 yr by Odette Violet

7 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

Yes I dislike how young they were, happy now? glad I discovered them during when they were actually capable performing adults  

Everybody but Hyein is 18 and NJZ has dominated every stage they ever stepped on so what now. Is it only retroactively bad when it's a group you've arbitrarily decided to hate based off of meaningless fanwars? Friendly reminder that when the disgusting actions of HYBE against aespa came to light, that NJZ plastered the company hq with aespa stickers. Talent and hard work recognizes talent and hard work. 

Edited March 21, 20251 yr by Ubermensch

notice how no group has been able to blow up in the west since NJ  

the industry shot themselves in the foot 

2 minutes ago, Ubermensch said:

Everybody but Hyein is 18 and NJZ has dominated every stage they ever stepped on so what now. Is it only retroactively bad when it's a group you've arbitrarily decided to hate based off of meaningless fanwars? Friendly reminder that when the disgusting actions of HYBE against aespa came to light, that NJZ plastered the company hq with aespa stickers. Talent and hard work recognizes talent and hard work. 

sis I didn't choose to hate on them bc of some stupid fan wars? I don't like their music and this attitude how they are above Kpop when in reality they are just like your average manufactured kpop group. also I spent the same energy on other groups, they aren't special  

 

28 minutes ago, JO1s said:

There's child stars in every industry yet East Asian industries seem to be the only industry called creepy and weird for it.

No offense but no one knows those industries Kpop is will well known ww so ofc the outrage is huge. 
 

Just now, Odette Violet said:

sis I didn't choose to hate on them bc of some stupid fan wars? I don't like their music and this attitude how they are above Kpop when in reality they are just like your average manufactured kpop group. also I spent the same energy on other groups, they aren't special  

 

They were very talented and also had the same creative force behind SNSD, SHINee, and f(x) calling the shots. With specifically f(x) collaborators being brought in to assist with music and visuals.

 

There's a reason every new girl group is a newjeans knockoff, just like how bigbang, 2ne1, and SNSDs image/sound have been endlessly recycled. That's impact and it's quite literally undeniable considering they're the first group to achieve that since the 00s.

16 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

they all deserves some lashings too. hellweird being the biggest offender and they needs to be called out. 

 

That being said Kpop is in the hot seats bc they keep on debuting minors. New Jeans being the biggest example whose sole concept revolves around being young  

 

 

New jeans concept revolves around youth culture because they are teenagers and young adults.

 
Riize has the exact same concept base same with heart2heart. 
 

Their concepts are age appropriate. And you have a problem with them?

4 minutes ago, thirdward said:

notice how no group has been able to blow up in the west since NJ  

the industry shot themselves in the foot 

 

Literally though. Like New Jeans truly were the next 2NE1/Twice/GG/Blackpink in terms of global success/recognition. It's so ******* sad that the momentum is gone and we truly lost an amazing/innovative group. Like they changed the sound of Kpop in just their short run

3 minutes ago, Dialamba said:

No offense but no one knows those industries Kpop is will well known ww so ofc the outrage is huge. 
 

Nobody knows Michael Jackson and Britney Spears? But they know NewJeans? 

Edited March 21, 20251 yr by Ubermensch

2 minutes ago, Dialamba said:

No offense but no one knows those industries Kpop is will well known ww so ofc the outrage is huge. 
 

The 48 groups were called out a lot for debuting super young members all the time with not so age appropriate concepts for some of the members. Same with Johnny's and associates groups. Their was a group that debuted as minors called sexy zone… you don't know what you're talking about 

 

 

@DelRey already off to a great start for this comeback 

7 minutes ago, JO1s said:

New jeans concept revolves around youth culture because they are teenagers and young adults.

 
Riize has the exact same concept base same with heart2heart. 
 

Their concepts are age appropriate. And you have a problem with them?

 You also you have their stans thinking they are the best thing that happened in Kpop bc of that concept so like when that huge check payola runs out and without MHJ they really don't have anything going on for them    

 

8 minutes ago, Ubermensch said:

They were very talented and also had the same creative force behind SNSD, SHINee, and f(x) calling the shots. With specifically f(x) collaborators being brought in to assist with music and visuals.

 

There's a reason every new girl group is a newjeans knockoff, just like how bigbang, 2ne1, and SNSDs image/sound have been endlessly recycled. That's impact and it's quite literally undeniable considering they're the first group to achieve that since the 00s.

 MHJ isn't responsible for SNSD's talents and music, two of the reasons why I stan those hags. I don't primarily stan costumes   

Edited March 21, 20251 yr by Odette Violet

1 minute ago, Odette Violet said:

 You also you have their stans thinking they are the best thing that happened in Kpop bc of that concept so like when that huge check payola runs out and without MHJ they really don't have anything going on for them    

 

 MHJ aren't responsible for SNSD's talents and music, two of the reasons why I stan those hags. I don't primarily stan costumes   

I can Zack you and quote your endless and very well deserved praise for the genie concept if you'd like. 

Edited March 21, 20251 yr by Ubermensch

Just now, Ubermensch said:

I can Zack you and quote your endless praise for the genie concept if you'd like. 

well we can remove the marine concept, you still have Taeyeon belting her ass off what now 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

well we can remove the marine concept, you still have Taeyeon belting her ass off what now 

 

 

 

Taeyeon being the mitochondria of kpop/my biological father does not erase that Min Heehee contributed to the output of those groups in ways that you personally enjoy too. 

Edited March 21, 20251 yr by Ubermensch

I'm confused yall is Groundwork or BTG the title track 

Just now, Ubermensch said:

Taeyeon being the mitochondria of kpop/my biological father does not erase that Min Heehee contributed to the output of those groups in ways that you personally enjoy too. 

well I enjoy talents and music first and foremost. costumes comes second 

 

like if we really have to use creative vision as an argument. RV's Feel My Rhythm is most most praised concept here with aespa's avatars and she have no input with any of this two 

 

 

17 minutes ago, 4Walls said:

Literally though. Like New Jeans truly were the next 2NE1/Twice/GG/Blackpink in terms of global success/recognition. It's so ******* sad that the momentum is gone and we truly lost an amazing/innovative group. Like they changed the sound of Kpop in just their short run

To the worst tho  

12 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

 You also you have their stans thinking they are the best thing that happened in Kpop

 

 

I mean they are stans of course they think that… this non argument argument