2 minutes ago, Adama said:

The problem is mostly between SM and CBX plus China is not even letting Lay participate anyway

well i need them to put their problems aside for one last comeback

5 minutes ago, hallucinate said:

well i need them to put their problems aside for one last comeback

Chen is out-out.

8 minutes ago, Cyanide said:

Their case is so weird to me because apparently they'd already been called out and apologized for the weird CA stuff, and then did it again… So weird and dumb

Not dumb, they were hoping to garner domestic support for doubling down on the racism and saying **** you to the international fans and to the black people who invented the music they perform. It was a calculated dogwhistle and it backfired.

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2 minutes ago, hallucinate said:

simeez from la chica not just being the main choreographer for ive but also the only performance director (while other starships groups have several)…. there's something very demonic about that woman

XOXZ choreography during the chorus is awful but their performance was better than Kiiikiii imo. But their energy and outfits were better during the concert in Séoul

Kiiikiii lookeed so lost with too much backtrack

20 minutes ago, Cyanide said:

Their case is so weird to me because apparently they'd already been called out and apologized for the weird CA stuff, and then did it again… So weird and dumb

Not to mention Julie being seen in private rooms

30 minutes ago, hallucinate said:

simeez from la chica not just being the main choreographer for ive but also the only performance director (while other starships groups have several)…. there's something very demonic about that woman

The difference between their choreo lately and that's my girl dance cover. Zero effort.

Whoever keeps forcing these awful dance break interludes into SM year end stages needs to be shot with one of Winter's giant anime guns. Not even their dance group H2H can make it work. The choreography is NEVER good. All the girls killed it otherwise.

Edited December 20, 2025Dec 20 by Sheep

OMG is at 890M!

Edited December 20, 2025Dec 20 by Cyanide

Since they are still doing so well and outstreaming even active groups, what do we think is the hold up for ADOR announcing all members' return, and when do we think we'll get an update?

Their growth is insane! They went from taking over 2 years to reach 1B streams to now getting 1B streams every 3 months

Edited December 20, 2025Dec 20 by Pluto6

that jennie mma's performance was so. does she just wake up to be mediocre at her job?

1 minute ago, lgaga1fan said:

that jennie mma's performance was so. does she just wake up to be mediocre at her job?

how are you going to lip sync TALKING?

Exo's performance was ******* horrifying good lord can they genuinely disband. I love EXO and they look washed the **** up at the MMAs. Horrible styling, out of sync stiff dancing. My 5 ft tall fav who literally broke her hip looks more fluid on stage than a bunch of men in their late 20s/early 30s and can outsing all of them while dancing. Time to pack it up girl. The timestamp specifically is horrifying.

while seoul city and zen are cute songs, the GP just don't GET IT when done on the big stage

I hope the GDA stage has Mantra, ExtraL and Like Jennie interluded together

15 minutes ago, rapperjennie said:

while seoul city and zen are cute songs, the GP just don't GET IT when done on the big stage

I hope the GDA stage has Mantra, ExtraL and Like Jennie interluded together

Knetz on Twitter and Insta praised her performance especially all the korean references from Seoul City and Zen stage

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Both the English and Korean comments are dragging the hell out of aespa

1 hour ago, Cyanide said:

Since they are still doing so well and outstreaming even active groups, what do we think is the hold up for ADOR announcing all members' return, and when do we think we'll get an update?

Ador tried to do some weird mediaplay by "announcing" only the 2 minor members 1st, but the others were very quick to announce their return too, and most of the press, locally and internationally, reported all 5 were back as a result. I doubt it's what Ador wanted. Now Ador isn't really in a position to do anything but to resume Newjeans activities as 5. I bet Ador wouldn't mind if some members left on their own accord and will make discussions / their life difficult on purpose to push them out. As it stands, Newjeans will all leave in about 3 years and Newjeans IP will become worthless. Not ideal from Ador's pov. They must be salivating at the idea of breaking the group apart in some way, ala TXQC or 5050 but they can't do it legally.

Basically, Ador is doing a lot of gaslighting to NewJeans behind the scenes atm, while simultaneously figuring out wth they are supposed to do with them, since they don't have the staff to produce for one group after everyone left, let alone 2, with the new boy group they had planned to debut too. + Maybe figuring some evil plan to do maximum damage to the Newjeans brand for the next 3 years without looking guilty.

its kinda giving NCT reject so i'm bopping a bit

Who here knows this indie queen?

4 hours ago, Rainy Devil said:

True but this has always been the case with popular groups.
When a group does a concept and becomes popular, other companies want the success and try to do the same.

Taking that into account, what we need is a group to do a sexy concept and smash so others follow.

I don't think the girl group landscape is going to change any time soon. I think it will continue to be Blackpink, Twice, Aespa, Ive and Newjeans for the foreseeable future dominating all discussions. All labels already debuted their new girl group recently, there is no anticipation for another big girl group.

If some change is coming, it's going to be from the boy group (or mixed group) scene.

29 minutes ago, geniecantstophypeboy said:

Ador tried to do some weird mediaplay by "announcing" only the 2 minor members 1st, but the others were very quick to announce their return too, and most of the press, locally and internationally, reported all 5 were back as a result. I doubt it's what Ador wanted. Now Ador isn't really in a position to do anything but to resume Newjeans activities as 5. I bet Ador wouldn't mind if some members left on their own accord and will make discussions / their life difficult on purpose to push them out. As it stands, Newjeans will all leave in about 3 years and Newjeans IP will become worthless. Not ideal from Ador's pov. They must be salivating at the idea of breaking the group apart in some way, ala TXQC or 5050 but they can't do it legally.

Basically, Ador is doing a lot of gaslighting to NewJeans behind the scenes atm, while simultaneously figuring out wth they are supposed to do with them, since they don't have the staff to produce for one group after everyone left, let alone 2, with the new boy group they had planned to debut too. + Maybe figuring some evil plan to do maximum damage to the Newjeans brand for the next 3 years without looking guilty.

They are so goddamn pathetic. Never seen such a concentrated effort to ruin a successful group. They're literally in there trying to figure out how they can keep them in the basement while media playing against them.

I'm also confused, since the new info about BANA having an exclusive contract to produce for them came out that's apparently still withstanding, why would they even be looking for "new producers" other than the ones who made their hits? They are so dumb and weird and would rather bleed money through flop groups and gaming IPs than just give the fans and public what we've been wanting and they can't replace

7 minutes ago, Cyanide said:

They are so goddamn pathetic. Never seen such a concentrated effort to ruin a successful group. They're literally in there trying to figure out how they can keep them in the basement while media playing against them.

I'm also confused, since the new info about BANA having an exclusive contract to produce for them came out that's apparently still withstanding, why would they even be looking for "new producers" other than the ones who made their hits? They are so dumb and weird and would rather bleed money through flop groups and gaming IPs than just give the fans and public what we've been wanting and they can't replace

Bang Sihyuk would rather lose hundreds of millions $ in legal costs, mediaplay, lost revenue AND go to jail than leave NewJeans and Min Heejin alone and let them thrive in his own company. Taking all of Kpop down with him if he has to.

8 hours ago, starstruckaj said:

Jay Park saw ADP getting big and knew he had to fight back by unleashing his new neagaboo BG to the world

Not the first few seconds

1 hour ago, geniecantstophypeboy said:

I don't think the girl group landscape is going to change any time soon. I think it will continue to be Blackpink, Twice, Aespa, Ive and Newjeans for the foreseeable future dominating all discussions. All labels already debuted their new girl group recently, there is no anticipation for another big girl group.

If some change is coming, it's going to be from the boy group (or mixed group) scene.

I know you guys dislike LE SSERAFIM or whatever, but the way y'all constantly snub them out of the 4th gen gg leader conversations makes no sense

8 hours ago, starstruckaj said:

Jay Park saw ADP getting big and knew he had to fight back by unleashing his new neagaboo BG to the world

Edited December 20, 2025Dec 20 by geniecantstophypeboy

15 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

I know you guys dislike LE SSERAFIM or whatever, but the way y'all constantly snub them out of the 4th gen gg leader conversations makes no sense

Why do I feel like if I reply to this post, I'm in big trouble? Seems like bait.

20 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

I know you guys dislike LE SSERAFIM or whatever, but the way y'all constantly snub them out of the 4th gen gg leader conversations makes no sense