3 minutes ago, RideOrDie said:

people were doing 80s synth stuff lol but they weren't doing 70s disco that much? dua and jessie really went in on that sound before everyone else 

It's really that simple. The Weeknd was doing 80s synth pop with BL and Dua was doing 70s disco with DSN. FN had only one song that was similar to After Hours - Physical.

5 minutes ago, AlleeX said:

I hope this album will be a bit more experimental and give us the Future part of Future Nostalgia, without endless samples, interpolations and inspirations.

The endless samples:

• Love Again" contains elements of "My Woman"
• "Break My Heart" contains interpolations from "Need You Tonight" by INXS

8 minutes ago, Cain said:

So your argument is that a popular TV show set in the 80s who’s most popular soundtrack song has 70M streams is the reason why no one should give Dua props for being the first mainstream artist to release a 70s disco smash in an era that was literally defined by trap?

 

Makes sense

Cultural relevance and a broader trend isn't defined just by the numbers of streams of a soundtrack song. As you can check, there's not a place where I've said that she wasn't one of the first to hop on the broader trend of 80s revival, the biggest in years. It's the fact that people attribute the whole revival to Dua and Future Nostalgia, whereas I think it's just one of the better executions of the 'theme'.

As for the Disco comments, yes, Dua was the first big artist to do it with DSN, but that was not the argument I was making, as it's completely irrelevant to which late 70s/80s sub-genre or genre she took and used, as I'm looking at it from the macro perspective. It's easy to change narratives when you need to prove a point, except for the fact that I made zero claims about her not doing DISCO first. 

33 minutes ago, AlleeX said:

this is so funny cause if anything she herself hopped on the 80s revival trend. saying that anyone copied her in particular is laughable lol

same goes for the sound/aesthetic of this new project but go off i guess

Girl you’re serving uneducated/illiteracy. Disco is from the 70s. 80s revival is a different thing. Get your facts straight before talking ****.

So anyways...

 

The snippet and the Glastonbury news  

I just know she's coming to deliver another ERA  

1 minute ago, Cain said:

The endless samples:

• Love Again" contains elements of "My Woman"
• "Break My Heart" contains interpolations from "Need You Tonight" by INXS

As you can see, there are two more words after the comma, and therefore the word endless before it refers to samples, interpolations & inspirations.

3 minutes ago, Cain said:

The endless samples:

• Love Again" contains elements of "My Woman"
• "Break My Heart" contains interpolations from "Need You Tonight" by INXS

at this point he should just breathe and log out.




 

Not yall gate keeping inspiration now 

Just now, houdini said:

Not yall gate keeping inspiration now 

People are so mad already and the song isn’t even out. Imagine when Dua starts to promote and it starts climbing on the charts. 

4 minutes ago, Cain said:

The endless samples:

• Love Again" contains elements of "My Woman"
• "Break My Heart" contains interpolations from "Need You Tonight" by INXS

You just gotta love the ignorance of these clowns 

13 minutes ago, AlleeX said:

I hope this album will be a bit more experimental and give us the Future part of Future Nostalgia, without endless samples, interpolations and inspirations.

Say you don’t know anything about art without exactly saying it… there’s no art without inspirations from the past. Every artist is inspired by someone who came before. 

Just now, Soul Glitch said:

Say you don’t know anything about art without exactly saying it… there’s no art without inspirations from the past. Every artist is inspired by someone who came before. 

In fact, Art is far better when we build upon the foundation that was laid before everything 

it’s also a bit wild to expect a pop artist to completely reinvent the wheel

Anyways lowkey obsessed with the choice to make the snippet LQ.. it feels like it’s been sneakily leaked to us so that we can just about taste it but not that we know everything about the song

Just now, Soul Glitch said:

Girl you’re serving uneducated/illiteracy. Disco is from the 70s. 80s revival is a different thing. Get your facts straight before talking ****.

I'm talking about FN as a whole, unless you want to tell me that FN is a predominantly 70s revival album. 

Also, everyone is asking for receipts as to 'who else did the 80s sound when DSN dropped', so get your facts straight then. If we agree that Dua's 80s 'era' started with Physical then I would have to backtrack and say that it's not Dua who hopped on the trend alongside all the others, but rather later then all of them. But that's not my point, my only point is that it isn't just her, and that everyone was doing the same thing at that time.

And it wasn't anything revolutionary, it's a good A&R team who felt the pulse of the public who was eating up anything 80s related that had appeared in the media for years.

Just now, Navyofbadgals said:

In fact, Art is far better when we build upon the foundation that was laid before everything 

it’s also a bit wild to expect a pop artist to completely reinvent the wheel

Yeah! Dua is very vocal about her inspirations, specially about the artists that inspire her. She studies theses references before putting them on her work. I don’t know why theses clowns are so obsessed with this. 

6 minutes ago, AlleeX said:

Cultural relevance and a broader trend isn't defined just by the numbers of streams of a soundtrack song. As you can check, there's not a place where I've said that she wasn't one of the first to hop on the broader trend of 80s revival, the biggest in years. It's the fact that people attribute the whole revival to Dua and Future Nostalgia, whereas I think it's just one of the better executions of the 'theme'.

As for the Disco comments, yes, Dua was the first big artist to do it with DSN, but that was not the argument I was making, as it's completely irrelevant to which late 70s/80s sub-genre or genre she took and used, as I'm looking at it from the macro perspective. It's easy to change narratives when you need to prove a point, except for the fact that I made zero claims about her not doing DISCO first. 

Your whole argument is that she ‘hopped’ on a trend that simply didn’t exist in mainstream pop music. Was there an overall 80s trend? Sure, but that trend is honestly always there, it hasn’t left since the early 2010s, it’s kind of a moot point

 

People credit Dua because she was the first, simple as that, DSN was the very first song released in that vain followed by BL, Say So, Chromatica, and a bunch of dance/disco songs and albums in 2020

 

Also FN is by far the biggest era along with AH, so being the first and the biggest makes for a compelling argument that she very much kickstarted the trend in music

Just now, Cain said:

Your whole argument is that she ‘hopped’ on a trend that simply didn’t exist in mainstream pop music. Was there an overall 80s trend? Sure, but that trend is honestly always there, it hasn’t left since the early 2010s, it’s kind of a moot point

 

People credit Dua because she was the first, simple as that, DSN was the very first song released in that vain followed by BL, Say So, Chromatica, and a bunch of dance/disco songs and albums in 2020

 

Also FN is by far the biggest era along with AH, so being the first and the biggest makes for a compelling argument that she very much kickstarted the trend in music

She hopped on a trend that existed in pop culture/media, just like almost any a-lister did. Some took years like Harry styles to actually release, and she and The Weeknd did so.

I ended up being the biggest Dua hater and I actually can't wait to hear Houdini lol, it's just triggering for me to assign the whole movement to a single artist/album, just cause she stuck with the sound the longest.

Again, I could say - if DSN isn't 80s influenced as everyone claims, then she wasn't the first, but that's not my point. As I said, I think every major label A&R team went and started the scavenger hunt for the best way to exploit the 80s revival cultural trend and then we had a ton of releases in late 2019 up until last year, with the majority happening in 2020 just like FN.

1 minute ago, AlleeX said:

I'm talking about FN as a whole, unless you want to tell me that FN is a predominantly 70s revival album. 

Also, everyone is asking for receipts as to 'who else did the 80s sound when DSN dropped', so get your facts straight then. If we agree that Dua's 80s 'era' started with Physical then I would have to backtrack and say that it's not Dua who hopped on the trend alongside all the others, but rather later then all of them. But that's not my point, my only point is that it isn't just her, and that everyone was doing the same thing at that time.

And it wasn't anything revolutionary, it's a good A&R team who felt the pulse of the public who was eating up anything 80s related that had appeared in the media for years.

Name other pop girl that was doing disco influenced music before FN. You just need to admit that you don’t like Dua (and that’s okay — bad taste, but okay) and the FACT that she was the one who started this trend in 2019 with DSN. The A&R argument is so ridiculous that I won’t even go that deep there. EVERY big artist works with an A&R helping them to find good songs, producers, writers. That doesn’t take away the visionary aspect of Dua’s work because she was the one that came out with the concept. 

"Everyone attributes it to Dua because she never dropped it"

 

Oh, I assume this is another "why does my fave give up on their era after 1 month??  / Dua milked FN!!!!" person. 

 

Like yes, FN was Dua's personality up until only recently because.....she was pushing FN up until only recently. That's why we stan her.

Edited November 4, 20232 yr by _Fey

i wouldn't call FN as a revival of the 70s. It's more late 80s than anything

Just now, Soul Glitch said:

Name other pop girl that was doing disco influenced music before FN. You just need to admit that you don’t like Dua (and that’s okay — bad taste, but okay) and the FACT that she was the one who started this trend in 2019 with DSN. The A&R argument is so ridiculous that I won’t even go that deep there. EVERY big artist works with an A&R helping them to find good songs, producers, writers. That doesn’t take away the visionary aspect of Dua’s work because she was the one that came out with the concept. 

The A&R argument wasn't made to devalue her efforts. I literally said, yes, she was the first one to do a big disco-influenced song recently, and make it a lead single. This brings me to the only disagreement I have in your message, and that's the 'visionary' aspect of it. Even if she was the one to come up with it, there's really nothing revolutionary about taking a twist on the biggest cultural theme of that period (again cultural, not musical).

DSN attributing to the change of pop music going from slow, trap oriented to uptempo disco/synth oriented is a fact and no circling around it and denying it is gonna change that. 

3 minutes ago, _Fey said:

"Everyone attributes it to Dua because she never dropped it"

 

Oh, I assume this is another "why does my fave give up on their era after 1 month??  / Dua milked FN!!!!" person. 

 

Like yes, FN was Dua's personality up until only recently because.....she was pushing FN up until only recently. That's why we stan her.

She's a hard working woman for sure, and a pretty determined one as well. Nobody takes it away from her - but is she a visionary - no.

catch me before i go houdini 

i’ll stay if you come eat my pvssy 

3 minutes ago, AlleeX said:

She hopped on a trend that existed in pop culture/media

And not in its music, thanks!

 

4 minutes ago, AlleeX said:

assign the whole movement to a single artist/album, just cause she stuck with the sound the longest.

*because she was the first

 

5 minutes ago, AlleeX said:

I think every major label A&R team went and started the scavenger hunt

Yes Dua has a great team

 

Glad that’s all settled