37 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said:

In case y'all wondered about album sales, these are all the 4th gen groups who has sold 1M+ with at least 1 album so far: 

 

Girl groups:

- aespa

- IVE

- LE SSERAFIM

- NewJeans

- GIDLE

- ITZY 

 

Boy groups:

- SKZ

- TXT

- ENHYPEN

- ATEEZ

 

- The next groups I see joining the million seller club are probably TREASURE and NMIXX.

- Only SKZ and TXT have an album surpassing 2M sales among 4th gen so far.  

- SKZ are the only 4th gen act to sell 3M with an album. 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, hallucinate said:

album sales have become such a boring discussion topic tbh

out of all the metrics, digital charts is the most fun to follow

spotify numbers are only interesting for the first two weeks, i forgot about them after that but that could be due to me not using the app

Very true. All I know is that biggest girl groups are doing over 1M and that's it. There's really not much else to it.

 

22 minutes ago, Asscatchem said:

i dont know one ATEEZ song... any recs?

 

 

I like these.

 

Don't know much else about them except that San is hot.

 

1 hour ago, Rhythm said:

aespa's first physical release was literally a month before IVE debuted.  Not to mention the fact that aespa has less releases than they do.

 

The case of who debuted before whom is a lazy measurement regardless when you have newer groups coming up much later and outselling the likes of Idle and ITZY, for example (not denouncing either) with far less seniority. So why wouldn't MYs glorify the fact that they're the strongest of the gen in that metric?

IVE debuted one year later   why are you acting like aespa didn't have a whole year to build a fandom before releasing their first mini?

Btw I didn't say it wasn't impressive, I'm just saying groups like newjeans sold 1 millions albums with their first mini right after their debut. They didn't have to wait for a whole year to achieve that. 

 

Don't bring the iZone argument when big3 companies have groups like nmixx selling 800k albums just because JYP stans would buy anything from that company.

 

1 hour ago, playboi said:

I thought I was the only one

 

Each time a big group has a cb they beat the record, it's not even surprising anymore

This. Thank you. 

11 minutes ago, LuneMon said:

IVE debuted one year later   why are you acting like aespa didn't have a whole year to build a fandom before releasing their first mini?

Btw I didn't say it wasn't impressive, I'm just saying groups like newjeans sold 1 millions albums with their first mini right after their debut. They didn't have to wait for a whole year to achieve that. 

 

Don't bring the iZone argument when big3 companies have groups like nmixx selling 800k albums just because JYP stans would buy anything from that company.

 

This. Thank you. 

Izone was definitely a massive advantage, where were you when Izone were breaking records & selling on par with the top 2 ggs like don’t lie, the top 4 most popular members fanbases - Sakura, Wonyoung, Yujin & Chaewon - definitely contribute A LOT to their album sales, Aespa were a fhlop the first year & made no noise.

Why are we pretending Izone members aren’t aespa/NJ seniors?

The question is how did Park Yeonmi get to the kpop thread

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Asscatchem said:

we need to praise twice as the OG organic album sellers. they were outselling every other gg and breaking snsd records. no one was touching them for years.

 

but nowadays everyone is touching each other, clearing 1m+ with ease, it's not even a standout phenomenon like how twice had it. it has more to do with the industry as a whole growing rather than how special the particular artist is.

 

At one point they cannibalized the albums market and were the only GG close to competing with BGs 

As the market grew though thankfully so did their sales. It's going to be funny when in about 5 years all these monster sales begin to tank and Korea moves towards streaming. Their level of hyper-capitalism is pretty much rushing through music consumption rapidly unless they continuously incentivize fans to buy physicals

 

1 hour ago, Asscatchem said:

i dont know one ATEEZ song... any recs?

 

I would recommend these bops:

 

Not aespa being called now jjangspa because of their encore 

 

The Koreans love them again 

Full aespa performance fancam by daftaengkt 

 

Always trust in DaftTaengk 

 

 

43 minutes ago, Kety said:

Izone was definitely a massive advantage, where were you when Izone were breaking records & selling on par with the top 2 ggs like don’t lie, the top 4 most popular members fanbases - Sakura, Wonyoung, Yujin & Chaewon - definitely contribute A LOT to their album sales, Aespa were a fhlop the first year & made no noise.

Why are we pretending Izone members aren’t aespa/NJ seniors?

Now we are rewriting history. Only BM tanked, and it doesn’t change the fact that Aespa was one of the most anticipated groups. 
Savage had 400k preorders.
Eleven sold 200k copies the first month still less than Aespa.
Even NJ had 500,000 preorders while LSR only 400,000. 
 

Does ITZY and Treasure are the only main 4th Gen groups who have yet to have Korean comeback this year? 

so cvnty

Edited May 18, 20233 yr by Pluto2022

3 hours ago, Dialamba said:

I guess Mina dances better than Lisa because she’s a ballet dancer ????
Liz has proved multiple times to be a great singer, she’s always stable and hit the notes rights. 

Yunjin is fine but is not touching Liz. 

I mean it would be true if Lisa wasn't proficient in any dancing genre, but she's well trained in hip hop and other genres just not ballet .

Anyways IVE's songs aren't that vocally demanding except maybe I AM so yes she hits the notes but Yunjin reaches even higher notes (with support). Being stable also doesn't really have to do with vocal technique but rather stamina, so it doesn't really tell you who's the better vocalist.

 

 

Meanwhile IVE

 

 

You can like Liz more and think she's a better singer due to liking her tone and emotion better but as a vocalist Yunjin is better than her.

The aespa having a head start argument will always give me a good kii. You’d think they’s have been debuted in April 2020 too by the way you guys talk, but it was literally almost 2021 in November 

2 hours ago, Asscatchem said:

 

the biggest kii.... like she really thought she could go up against thee jennie kim

 

She wasn't tho. She was making fun of Dara but all blinks thought she was talking about Jennie. 

 

(Dara was literally dressed as a rabbit to get her from the airport) 

Edited May 18, 20233 yr by Xalric

3 hours ago, Witnessed ET said:

Why are they so overlooked in this site I can’t 

Because aside from HANN their music isn’t really ATRL/gay friendly 

 

 

 

See when you actually release good music  

 

57 minutes ago, Dialamba said:

Now we are rewriting history. Only BM tanked, and it doesn’t change the fact that Aespa was one of the most anticipated groups. 
Savage had 400k preorders.
Eleven sold 200k copies the first month still less than Aespa.
Even NJ had 500,000 preorders while LSR only 400,000. 
 

Savage got 400k preorders after 1 year debut + a massive generation-defining hit  Eleven sold 200k without even people knowing who they are

 

Like even the "flop" girls of IZone (Eunbi, Yuri) are selling ~100k for their solo albums, why are we denying that Wonyoung, Yujin, Sakura etc. are bringing the sales to the groups from the very get go?

9 minutes ago, Vrx. said:

Because aside from HANN their music isn’t really ATRL/gay friendly 

What could be more gay than "I'm sexy like Kim Kardashian"? 

 

11 minutes ago, Vrx. said:

Because aside from HANN their music isn’t really ATRL/gay friendly 

Yeah I don’t think ATRLers/gays want to be sexy like Kim Kardashian or cute/pretty like Ariana 

3 hours ago, Asscatchem said:

we need to praise twice as the OG organic album sellers. they were outselling every other gg and breaking snsd records. no one was touching them for years.

 

but nowadays everyone is touching each other, clearing 1m+ with ease, it's not even a standout phenomenon like how twice had it. it has more to do with the industry as a whole growing rather than how special the particular artist is.

 

sheeps downvoting so you know those are facts.

15 minutes ago, Vrx. said:

Because aside from HANN their music isn’t really ATRL/gay friendly 

The lies, did we watch the same Queencard video?  

1 hour ago, Witnessed ET said:

The question is how did Park Yeonmi get to the kpop thread

 

 

 

 

she's a literal cultural icon

 

Aespa reminds me of EXO’s trajectory. They debut with a massive fandom but don’t Smash with the General public until over a year later.