28 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

I loosely remember this too. But does anyone remember if the Rennie vinyl shipped week of release or was it later?

 

Because IMO it's the vinyl shipment that is the ultimate tell-tale of when work wrapped on the final version. 

 

Pressing takes anywhere from 4 weeks (express) to 8 weeks plus (more typically), so the final album will need to be turned in before then.

 

That said, even if the Rennie vinyl shipped later, with vinyl sales sky-rocketing and the rest of the industry constantly diving more and more into streaming as the main means of consumption, it'd be less than smart IMO to **not** have vinyl ready to roll for Act II. Especially countless sources say she's been sitting on this album for years! 

Renaissance had a limited vinyl (25k units) that shipped first week while the standard vinyl was released in october... she missed out on 45k vinyls that could have added to the first week sales (that's how much she sold for the first week of availability with one standard vinyl). This kinda confirmed that the album was finished very close to the release date therefore they didn't have time for a proper vinyl release (the limited edition is all they were able to make in time for the first week i guess).

 

I was hopining things would be different for this album considering she's been sitting on this for a while apparently, but the lack of preorders has me worrying. I still want to believe she has multiple  physicals ready and hasn't revealed anything yet because she wants to keep everything under wraps  (including the name and cover apparently ) till we are closer to the release date 

Edited March 9, 20242 yr by ReneighIsHere

No. I’m 100% sure Renaissance and all albums are ready way before we think.

 

however, Vinyls are very hard to produce and take a lot of time which means a leak is highly at risk because there are not a lot of factories who produce Vinyl so all of them are « known » if that makes sence. And as she’s very known for being secret, she’s exactly the type of celeb someone would leak info of if one would have any… 

3 minutes ago, Negiiiii said:

No. I’m 100% sure Renaissance and all albums are ready way before we think.

 

however, Vinyls are very hard to produce and take a lot of time which means a leak is highly at risk because there are not a lot of factories who produce Vinyl so all of them are « known » if that makes sence. And as she’s very known for being secret, she’s exactly the type of celeb someone would leak info of if one would have any… 

Well if she took the risk and did 25k vinyls why didn't they make more? either they didn't have enough time to do that or they underestimated her demand.. could be the latter cause the boxes sold out too now that i think about it (and never restocked if i remember correctly).  She could really sell +400k easily if she wanted to and it makes me mad 

28 minutes ago, Burn said:

Yea it was AS, as after the whole controversy about the Right Said Fred sample (gosh, what a time that and the Kelis debacle were ) we got this statement.

 

So AS was being worked on up to May/June 2022, just a month before the album. It wouldn’t be that shocking if she finished work on Act II within the last couple of weeks.

Queen is like me - needs the deadline to approach to really get to work because shes a procrastinator at heart. Relatable queen! 

5 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

Legit question and one that doesn't come with judgment or an angle, but I'm curious...

 

Do y'all really have no care or investment in whether the album sells or nah?

 

Would a 120k debut and capping out at 500k-600k...be ok?

 

Do you think she'll magically go back to selling 300k+ for act 3?

 

I've seen a lot of "well, its sales won't affect my enjoyment of the music or era" and "she can do what she wants" remarks. That isn't the question, though. It's more a case of: are you totally a-ok with an underperformance for this album?

 

Again, I respect everyone's takes and don't look at my own as gospel.

 

It's just kinda ironic to see the pushback on anyone who doesn't have this hyper-relaxed attitude to preorder-gate when...the vast majority of those same people are camped in the Texas Hold Em thread monitoring its hourly performance. AND...were the same people, during Rennie, pulling their hair out about her leaving the album for dead when the only track doing streaming #s was Cuff It.

 

It kinda gives the vibe of more of us being Chart Hive than we like to admit. There's those who play that card when there's success to claim (e.g. like Texas), but turn around play it down during quieter windows ("she has nothing to prove")....only to be the same ones complaining mid-era when there's any kind of underperformance that other stan groups are given license to clown us for.

Then there's those (like yours truly) who are unapologetic chart hive and want her doing big numbers every time because she is a big artist (the biggest) and drops music worthy of that. An admitted drawback being that it can sometimes take away from the "enjoyment of the era".

 

The psychology of stanning, especially in online spaces like this, will never not intrigue, confuse, annoy, and delight me all at the same damn time lol. 

My view on this is that the only thing that bugs me about Beyoncé’s continuing artistic peak since 2013 is that the GP may not be aware of the greatness (Lemonade).
 

My first thought when THE became an instant hit was, she deserved it as over the past decade she’s worked hard to build her legacy and not necessarily making music to chart but to shape this. I feel she has now found the balance to have both critical and chart success.

 

Other fanbases dragged us for years thinking Beyonce was unable to smash the charts again and then Renaissance said hello.

 

It feels good for her to be on the charts but still creating art that breaks boundaries and gets people talking. 

53 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

Promoting isn't "forcing" anything, and that's a weird outlook to have that only Beyonce fans probably have, must be a coping mechanism after the years of abuse

I prefer to have a Kill Bill than an Anti Hero.  One of them has the better numbers, the other one was “promoted”.

5 minutes ago, ReneighIsHere said:

Well if she took the risk and did 25k vinyls why didn't they make more? either they didn't have enough time to do that or they underestimated her demand.. could be the latter cause the boxes sold out too now that i think about it (and never restocked if i remember correctly).  She could really sell +400k easily if she wanted to and it makes me mad 

I absolutely have no info that’s just my guess but I believe maybe at the « latest time possible » she booked one vinyl factory for example who would ONLY produce her 25k vinyl and work for no one else during this time so that her team could control everything and avoid any info getting leaked.

3 minutes ago, Negiiiii said:

I absolutely have no info that’s just my guess but I believe maybe at the « latest time possible » she booked one vinyl factory for example who would ONLY produce her 25k vinyl and work for no one else during this time so that her team could control everything and avoid any info getting leaked.

imagine she did all that and the album still got leaked because a random store in france decided to sell the CD 2 days early  i think physicals will only be sold on her website this time (for the first week at least)

I know this is really getting on our nerves, but if you look back every single time we doubted her BEFORE a release (I’m not talking about a roll out after the release, that’s a different story), she literally got everything RIGHT. Once again I mean UNTIL her project is actually out.
 

I’m saying this to actually convince myself as well because having a date that’s in 3 weeks and NO info is killing me :).

 

i’d D.I.E for another tour oh my godness

I thought the announcement was going to happen imminently because of the Bey legion tweet

 

Only for nothing to happen 

 

Album comes out in less than 3 weeks. Meanwhile taylor has her vinyls/preorders up for 2 months before. 

 

No excuse 

On 3/4/2024 at 10:51 PM, Navyboy20 said:

While we're on the topic I need everyone to get into Cater 2 Texas 

 

 

 

 

I haven't been able to stop thinking about this mashup.  PLEASE make it official Bey.

 

ETA: I just realised she never would because Mathew would profit from it.

Edited March 9, 20242 yr by Burn

46 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

Legit question and one that doesn't come with judgment or an angle, but I'm curious...

 

Do y'all really have no care or investment in whether the album sells or nah?

 

Would a 120k debut and capping out at 500k-600k...be ok?

 

Do you think she'll magically go back to selling 300k+ for act 3?

 

I've seen a lot of "well, its sales won't affect my enjoyment of the music or era" and "she can do what she wants" remarks. That isn't the question, though. It's more a case of: are you totally a-ok with an underperformance for this album?

 

Again, I respect everyone's takes and don't look at my own as gospel.

 

It's just kinda ironic to see the pushback on anyone who doesn't have this hyper-relaxed attitude to preorder-gate when...the vast majority of those same people are camped in the Texas Hold Em thread monitoring its hourly performance. AND...were the same people, during Rennie, pulling their hair out about her leaving the album for dead when the only track doing streaming #s was Cuff It.

 

It kinda gives the vibe of more of us being Chart Hive than we like to admit. There's those who play that card when there's success to claim (e.g. like Texas), but turn around play it down during quieter windows ("she has nothing to prove")....only to be the same ones complaining mid-era when there's any kind of underperformance that other stan groups are given license to clown us for.

Then there's those (like yours truly) who are unapologetic chart hive and want her doing big numbers every time because she is a big artist (the biggest) and drops music worthy of that. An admitted drawback being that it can sometimes take away from the "enjoyment of the era".

 

The psychology of stanning, especially in online spaces like this, will never not intrigue, confuse, annoy, and delight me all at the same damn time lol. 

I can only speak for myself, but truth of the matter is: 1 and a half months ago, most of us didnt even believe in act ii being released this year. Fast forward to now, we have an album coming out in less than 3 weeks, we have a ******* country song by Beyonce resulting in her commercial repeak globally (last time she slayed like that was in 2009).

 

All Im saying is: Stop the anxiety and have a little bit more faith in mother, who is STILL occupying the Top5 in pretty much any major market as we speak

We prob won’t have a tour this era and lbr Renaissance tour gave the album longevity. I’m not expecting much. Texas has already done way more than I thought it would. 
 

I do hope the visuals for both albums come soon and the Renaissance tour on streaming. These will keep things going. 

not even girlbye. can justify this nonsense 

1 hour ago, Burn said:

Yea as a perfectionist Bey will always be touching up things until the last minute. Didn’t we find out that some of the songs on Rennie were finished just weeks before the album? I can’t remember exactly which ones but I think Alien Superstar might’ve been one of them.

1 hour ago, Burn said:

Yea it was AS, as after the whole controversy about the Right Said Fred sample (gosh, what a time that and the Kelis debacle were ) we got this statement.

 

So AS was being worked on up to May/June 2022, just a month before the album. It wouldn’t be that shocking if she finished work on Act II within the last couple of weeks.

we only know when Bey's team approached Right Said Fred to clear the sample. this does not indicate whether they were still working on the album or not, but that they probably sent the "standard" vinyl off to production AFTER getting the samples all cleared, which is probably why they only shipped in October.

 

Bey is an artist that would not clear a sample for a song far in advance. clearing the publishing rights for a song that came out in 2022 back in 2019 would be useless -- and she might not even end up using it on the album! 

 

2 hours ago, Kingdom said:

you do sound like a broken record....

Thought it was just me  Posting the exact same spiel every 2-4 business days and still nothing has changed...

12 minutes ago, AxelFox said:

The way y'all still pull the 'she has a plan' card  She never does. Not for the last decade at least. Every release since ST has been a **** show, with Renaissance being the worst offender.
 

Watching and getting emotional over Ariana's new video reminded me how much of an impact visuals can have and how badly she ****** up Renaissance. It's just won't hit the same, even if by miracle they come together with act 2. 

This! She has an idea as to what something will be but it never comes out that way, she’s always adjusting as it comes and changing things. See COVID, the knee injury… 
 

BUT by the time you announce and date the album it should be done, production samples cleared, press dates, promo schedule for its upcoming release done all in order. 
 

Also if you knew since the pandemic you are releasing 3 albums, maybe call ahead to the CD production and vinyl pressers to reserve your spot, and if you don’t want any info out then have a big label like Columbia save the spot so they think it’s for anyone of their clients as opposed to Parkwood the clear giveaway. 
 

 

Also to those worrying about THE performance in the US:

 

The US is known to be the most ageist country in the world. Theres a reason why Madge, Tina Turner, Kylie, Cher and many others were able to slay internationally while being left on mute in the US once they hit a certain age.

So for Bey to still being able to compete like that is a miracle and a testimony to her power.

1 minute ago, kimberly said:

we only know when Bey's team approached Right Said Fred to clear the sample. this does not indicate whether they were still working on the album or not, but that they probably sent the "standard" vinyl off to production AFTER getting the samples all cleared, which is probably why they only shipped in October.

 

Bey is an artist that would not clear a sample for a song far in advance. clearing the publishing rights for a song that came out in 2022 back in 2019 would be useless -- and she might not even end up using it on the album! 

 

Idk, I feel like it must be normal practice to seek clearance for a sample at the earliest opportunity as soon as you know you’re intending to use it, because if left to the last minute there’s a risk it may not be cleared messing up plans for the whole album. I know Bey likes to keep things secret but I feel like even she can’t get around that. And especially with the amount of samples on Rennie there’s no way she would have gone out for clearance for them all a month or two before the album, that would be way too risky.

5 minutes ago, Triton said:

This! She has an idea as to what something will be but it never comes out that way, she’s always adjusting as it comes and changing things. See COVID, the knee injury… 
 

BUT by the time you announce and date the album it should be done, production samples cleared, press dates, promo schedule for its upcoming release done all in order. 
 

Also if you knew since the pandemic you are releasing 3 albums, maybe call ahead to the CD production and vinyl pressers to reserve your spot, and if you don’t want any info out then have a big label like Columbia save the spot so they think it’s for anyone of their clients as opposed to Parkwood the clear giveaway. 
 

 

Doesnt work like that when ur intention is to make the world excited for ur new project. People will start talking the moment they hear Bey is involved, so for her to be able to.still create moments like the surprise of the Verizon Ad + THE + 16C is astonishing and goes to show how deliberate Team Bey acts.

 

Im sorry, but a lot of you guys take things for granted with Bey that are just way more complex than you think. Give mother some credit and faith - I think she deserves it after 27+ years

Edited March 9, 20242 yr by Kristie Kuwa

13 minutes ago, Shelter said:

We prob won’t have a tour this era and lbr Renaissance tour gave the album longevity. I’m not expecting much. Texas has already done way more than I thought it would. 
 

I do hope the visuals for both albums come soon and the Renaissance tour on streaming. These will keep things going. 

A sphere residency in the fall would be ideal. What else is she going to do for the album, just release it the music and that’s it? 
 

Shoot more videos to keep them locked up? Honestly visuals aren’t coming until all 3 acts are done. The tour should be up on VOD though. 
 

It’s a bit frustrating as a fan with little details like keeping things locked. Live performances from YouTube…. They already aired, they’re out. Let fans enjoy them. 

 

Sure you want people to pay to see your work, ok but now don’t keep locked footage (RWT) for the people who would pay it. Plus it’s footage you have in the back of your pocket, snatch the extra coins. 
 

 

1 hour ago, BnPac said:

I guess this is aimed at me.

Maybe so but I have decided to trust this time. There's no reason to miss on many impulsive purchases from fans or casuals when the hype of THE was a peak and 16C was being praised as a masterpiece and made people interested in the album other than having something bigger planed. 

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If they don't, well I will eat humble pie and feel sorry for Parkwood as an entity tbh. 

 

Not at you directly haha ( ) but it's a general sentiment I keep seeing in here. And I think it's because things have generally worked out well for her in the end. 
 

And mostly I have not cared about her self sabotaging ways as her sales/streams are whatever to me. But Renaissance was the first time I felt that it has impacted my experience and enjoyment of an album-cycle as a fan. She literally missed the time-window for that special thing to happen, when both a song and video are fresh in your consciousness and it creates that magical feeling I felt watching Ariana's video. And I don't believe it for one second this was intentional, they clearly ****** up. Imagine the Single Ladies video coming out in freaking 2011. It just doesn't work this way. 

 

 

1 hour ago, AxelFox said:

The way y'all still pull the 'she has a plan' card  She never does. Not for the last decade at least. Every release since ST has been a **** show, with Renaissance being the worst offender.
 

Watching and getting emotional over Ariana's new video reminded me how much of an impact visuals can have and how badly she ****** up Renaissance. It's just won't hit the same, even if by miracle they come together with act 2. 

This is just the facts.. there hasn’t been a plan in years. I’m still upset at Yvette talking about a rollout.  We haven’t fully enjoyed a rollout as fans since self titled. Lemonade was exciting at first until, the hiding of the videos and tidal hostage. 

2 hours ago, chaeyonce said:

This has been my belief for over a week, it's simply bizarre that the pre orders haven't been up

 

If that’s the case then why even announce a release date? Aren’t they exhausted of always being ill prepared?

imagine if 16 Carriages is the album opener and it ends up getting its revenge