I've been listening to this song a lot more recently.

 

I wonder why.

 

14 minutes ago, Chris said:

 

I've been listening to this song a lot more recently.

 

I wonder why.

 

the way this song has me feeling my puss every single time 

 

still one of her absolute best

3 hours ago, yonsé said:

it still blows me that we're near the end of the album cycle with the tour LONG over 2 years later and with not a single video.

 

i know its like a broken record in here, but like. its just so unlike her. her videos have been her signature for her entire career. like without the single ladies video that song wouldn't be as massive as it is.

 

its just crazy to me  

I fear this whole Renassaince visual fiasco will remain as a permanent scar in the Beyhive.

I think visuals are still coming, and this wait has been planned from the jump. They warned us multiple times… 

 

hell, they warned us hardcore Halloween of 2022 lmao 

Edited January 19, 20242 yr by Lose My Breath

4 hours ago, V$. said:

 

 

The 4 best outfits of the entire tour, I know that's right  

2 hours ago, Lose My Breath said:

I think visuals are still coming, and this wait has been planned from the jump. They warned us multiple times… 

 

hell, they warned us hardcore Halloween of 2022 lmao 

Seek help nnn

3 hours ago, Lose My Breath said:

I think visuals are still coming, and this wait has been planned from the jump. They warned us multiple times… 

 

hell, they warned us hardcore Halloween of 2022 lmao 

They might still come, but this definitely does not seem planned. I feel like her knee injury threw a wrench in things, and they changed course at some point.

Edited January 19, 20242 yr by yonsé

30 minutes ago, yonsé said:

They might still come, but this definitely does not seem planned. I feel like her knee injury threw a wrench in things, and they changed course at some point.

I don't think the knee surgery had an impact in the delay of the videos. She had it at the end of 2022 and the film had allegedly finished filming by that time. And if it really did, she was well recovered by the second half of the tour so I can't see why they wouldn't have come out in 2023 at least.

 

It's definitely something else at play. 

 

Who knows, maybe they're still working at editing her frame by frame to this day dddd  After all, the Virgo's groove video leak happened in August last year and it said 'work don't stop' so they were probably still in post production? 

 

This whole thing is such an annoying and unnecessary ordeal that she makes her fans go through. Some of you don't want to admit it but she ****** up big time with this.

Let’s move on shall we? Bring on the ACT II already

2 hours ago, AxelFox said:

The 4 best outfits of the entire tour, I know that's right  

And the best wig, to boot!

4 hours ago, Lose My Breath said:

I think visuals are still coming, and this wait has been planned from the jump. They warned us multiple times… 

 

hell, they warned us hardcore Halloween of 2022 lmao 

so picking up an award, performing once and releasing an album (for which she doesn’t do anything other than posting on insta) is "being a robot" now ? abolish bootlicking hive 

 

 

53 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

so picking up an award, performing once and releasing an album (for which she doesn’t do anything other than posting on insta) is "being a robot" now ? abolish bootlicking hive 

 

 

“Beyoncé” and “expected” are two words that should never be in a sentence together. 

43 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

so picking up an award, performing once and releasing an album (for which she doesn’t do anything other than posting on insta) is "being a robot" now ? abolish bootlicking hive 

 

 

Yeah the lack of televised performances during the Renaissance cycle is severely overlooked and in my opinion equally or even more tragic than the lack of visuals. Those might or might not get released at some point in the future but the time for the Renaissance 'era' has gone already. We will have no performances to look back on over the years for this time in her career like we do with the BET performances, the VMAs medleys, the Superbowls... 

 

And sure there is the tour film but it does not compensate for that at all. Not only are awards show performances and tour performances very different mediums, but over the last decade or so she has developed this style of editing that, whether you are a fan of or not, must admit does not feel very live performance-like. The constant switching between aspect ratios, outfits changes, on/off filters, black or white image and sound that barely matches the image being displayed makes for a rather cinematic, stylized version of a raw performance which in return draws the attention away from the greatness of said performance.

 

This is why I'm so mad because no matter how much freedom these award shows give her to do whatever she wats she still has to follow some standard guidelines and it cannot be easily altered in real time. Imagine if they let her go wild and pre-record and edit her 2013 superbowl performance dear lord  

 

 

That tweet is ridiculous. Another tour would be the only strenuous thing on that list. The rest wouldn't add up to a lot of work for her.

Edited January 19, 20242 yr by QueenDiva

34 minutes ago, AxelFox said:

Yeah the lack of televised performances during the Renaissance cycle is severely overlooked and in my opinion equally or even more tragic than the lack of visuals. Those might or might not get released at some point in the future but the time for the Renaissance 'era' has gone already. We will have no performances to look back on over the years for this time in her career like we do with the BET performances, the VMAs medleys, the Superbowls... 

 

And sure there is the tour film but it does not compensate for that at all. Not only are awards show performances and tour performances very different mediums, but over the last decade or so she has developed this style of editing that, whether you are a fan of or not, must admit does not feel very live performance-like. The constant switching between aspect ratios, outfits changes, on/off filters, black or white image and sound that barely matches the image being displayed makes for a rather cinematic, stylized version of a raw performance which in return draws the attention away from the greatness of said performance.

 

This is why I'm so mad because no matter how much freedom these award shows give her to do whatever she wats she still has to follow some standard guidelines and it cannot be easily altered in real time. Imagine if they let her go wild and pre-record and edit her 2013 superbowl performance dear lord  

 

 

You DEFINITELY could not have told Beyoncé next televised or streaming performance would not go full holographic and prerecorded magic in 2017-2022. That's all I could imagine after TidalX & Grammys 2017. You couldn't have told me that she wasn't going to play around with technology more for the RWT after FWT. Though I do not like the tour for the most part, you can't deny the technology and use of the cube was unheard of, at the time, for a black woman or black artist at all. 

 

I honestly believed this tour and new  performances, we've never got, were going to be more futuristic and chrome based. Much like the opening of the show. I thought the visuals would've played a big part of the tour being a disco, out of space, holographic chaos. 

 

 

1 hour ago, AxelFox said:

Yeah the lack of televised performances during the Renaissance cycle is severely overlooked and in my opinion equally or even more tragic than the lack of visuals. Those might or might not get released at some point in the future but the time for the Renaissance 'era' has gone already. We will have no performances to look back on over the years for this time in her career like we do with the BET performances, the VMAs medleys, the Superbowls... 

 

And sure there is the tour film but it does not compensate for that at all. Not only are awards show performances and tour performances very different mediums, but over the last decade or so she has developed this style of editing that, whether you are a fan of or not, must admit does not feel very live performance-like. The constant switching between aspect ratios, outfits changes, on/off filters, black or white image and sound that barely matches the image being displayed makes for a rather cinematic, stylized version of a raw performance which in return draws the attention away from the greatness of said performance.

 

This is why I'm so mad because no matter how much freedom these award shows give her to do whatever she wats she still has to follow some standard guidelines and it cannot be easily altered in real time. Imagine if they let her go wild and pre-record and edit her 2013 superbowl performance dear lord  

 

 

all of this ! i want my live performances to look live, otherwise might as well watch a music video (which we don’t get either )

 

 

 

and while on this topic, if the Ren film proved one thing it’s that she mostly performs for the cameras and not for the audience now iykyk 

9 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

and while on this topic, if the Ren film proved one thing it’s that she mostly performs for the cameras and not for the audience now iykyk 

eh I disagree with this take. obviously she’ll never be as intimate as she was earlier in her career (safety and sheer venue size), it still feels like a show that’s meant for the in-person experience. some of the finer details get lost simply because of the scale (like the UNIQUE on her nails for AS).  I think other than occasionally needing to be in a certain spot to get the full effect - not unique to her bc an individual can only be in one spot at any given time - everything still reads as meant to be experienced there.
 

but even after scaling up, she does still find little ways of connecting to the audience here and there with the shoutouts when she sees something that catches her eye (like at my show when she was gagged that someone already duped the red Loewe).
 

idk it’s something that I think every artist who gets up to stadium-levels has to struggle with because you also have to consider what’ll translate well over the screens so that folks up in the nosebleeds still feel involved.

 

but also I might be off the mark by what you meant and this is just a rambling essay for no reason 

3 hours ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

so picking up an award, performing once and releasing an album (for which she doesn’t do anything other than posting on insta) is "being a robot" now ? abolish bootlicking hive 

 

 

That outfit is insane. Where’s it from

5 minutes ago, cloudbusting said:

eh I disagree with this take. obviously she’ll never be as intimate as she was earlier in her career (safety and sheer venue size), it still feels like a show that’s meant for the in-person experience. some of the finer details get lost simply because of the scale (like the UNIQUE on her nails for AS).  I think other than occasionally needing to be in a certain spot to get the full effect - not unique to her bc an individual can only be in one spot at any given time - everything still reads as meant to be experienced there.
 

but even after scaling up, she does still find little ways of connecting to the audience here and there with the shoutouts when she sees something that catches her eye (like at my show when she was gagged that someone already duped the red Loewe).
 

idk it’s something that I think every artist who gets up to stadium-levels has to struggle with because you also have to consider what’ll translate well over the screens so that folks up in the nosebleeds still feel involved.

 

but also I might be off the mark by what you meant and this is just a rambling essay for no reason 

Stadium shows are the pits. I think the focus on camera work and what’s shown on the screens is unfortunately necessary 

 

Wynn Las Vegas is no more 

2 hours ago, AxelFox said:

This is why I'm so mad because no matter how much freedom these award shows give her to do whatever she wats she still has to follow some standard guidelines and it cannot be easily altered in real time. Imagine if they let her go wild and pre-record and edit her 2013 superbowl performance dear lord  

 

 

Hasn't she done like... one pre-recorded performance in the last ten years? It seems you're rounding up, assuming perfectionism alone doesn't let her perform live despite the fact that she did just that about 50 times last year, 2 hours at a time, with like 20,000 fans recording her in real time.

 

Also, as you posted earlier in this thread, she had knee surgery at the end of 2022. That means that for some time prior, she was waiting for the surgery, and for some time prior to that she was finding out if she needed surgery, and for some time before that she was dealing with the pain/strain that led her to seek the medical assistance. So, it's very possible that in the summer of 2022, her knee prevented her from performing as she'd like to for a dance album, then once she was better she clearly prioritized focusing her performance attention on the upcoming tour, not award shows.

 

I am, like all fans, ready for a live performance of her's. It's what made me stan her in the first place. And I do very much agree with the qualitative difference between a live performance and an edited concert. But quite simply, she had health issues that prevented her from giving it her best, and thus gave us nothing. That could anger us, but had she gave us something and it wasn't up to her or our standards, there still would be complaints and meltdowns. This happened, in fact, at the beginning of the tour when she wasn't at 100% yet and people were wondering why she wasn't dancing as much and making a big deal of it, even fans.

Perhaps coming off both The Gift and Everything is Love having no televised performances, I am somehow accustomed to this and so it doesn't bother me beyond wistful thinking, whereas others are triggered and only the more angry about it, but I am willing to give her both the grace and the power to do as she sees fit relative to both her health and her desire at this point in her career regarding how much or little she wishes to put into her eras.

37 minutes ago, swissman said:

Hasn't she done like... one pre-recorded performance in the last ten years? It seems you're rounding up, assuming perfectionism alone doesn't let her perform live despite the fact that she did just that about 50 times last year, 2 hours at a time, with like 20,000 fans recording her in real time.

 

Also, as you posted earlier in this thread, she had knee surgery at the end of 2022. That means that for some time prior, she was waiting for the surgery, and for some time prior to that she was finding out if she needed surgery, and for some time before that she was dealing with the pain/strain that led her to seek the medical assistance. So, it's very possible that in the summer of 2022, her knee prevented her from performing as she'd like to for a dance album, then once she was better she clearly prioritized focusing her performance attention on the upcoming tour, not award shows.

 

I am, like all fans, ready for a live performance of her's. It's what made me stan her in the first place. And I do very much agree with the qualitative difference between a live performance and an edited concert. But quite simply, she had health issues that prevented her from giving it her best, and thus gave us nothing. That could anger us, but had she gave us something and it wasn't up to her or our standards, there still would be complaints and meltdowns. This happened, in fact, at the beginning of the tour when she wasn't at 100% yet and people were wondering why she wasn't dancing as much and making a big deal of it, even fans.

Perhaps coming off both The Gift and Everything is Love having no televised performances, I am somehow accustomed to this and so it doesn't bother me beyond wistful thinking, whereas others are triggered and only the more angry about it, but I am willing to give her both the grace and the power to do as she sees fit relative to both her health and her desire at this point in her career regarding how much or little she wishes to put into her eras.

No I didn't mean that perfectionism is what is stopping her from performing live, whether on tour or at award shows; but that in televised performances like award shows the format is of such nature that we (usually) get a real live feed of the performance that is not heavily edited in the way she's been doing her concert movies since like 2013. And I very much prefer the former, which is why I am sad we didn't get televised performances at all for Renaissance and do not believe the tour film is a replacement for them. 

 

Ideally, she would've filmed and edited one single show to be released just like they did with TBE. Something like Beyoncé - Renaissance: Live in Paris. I'm also okay with the hybrid method they've done for the IAWT (or more recently the Oscars Be Alive performance) where it's different shows/takes but the outfits, makeup and hair are very similar so it's not very obvious for the casual viewer and not too distracting for the fans that are quick to spot it. 

 

And I'm not gonna go into the knee injury again but I'll just reinstate that if she did that Dubai concert right after it she could've definitely done at least the BET and the Grammys. As she said in her own words, 'her voice is her instrument and she doesn't need to move as much'. But I guess the BET and Grammys did not have a $25 million check ready for her  

 

 

14 minutes ago, AxelFox said:

No I didn't mean that perfectionism is what is stopping her from performing live, whether on tour or at award shows; but that in televised performances like award shows the format is of such nature that we (usually) get a real live feed of the performance that is not heavily edited in the way she's been doing her concert movies since like 2013. And I very much prefer the former, which is why I am sad we didn't get televised performances at all for Renaissance and do not believe the tour film is a replacement for them. 

 

Ideally, she would've filmed and edited one single show to be released just like they did with TBE. Something like Beyoncé - Renaissance: Live in Paris. I'm also okay with the hybrid method they've done for the IAWT (or more recently the Oscars Be Alive performance) where it's different shows/takes but the outfits, makeup and hair are very similar so it's not very obvious for the casual viewer and not too distracting for the fans that are quick to spot it. 

 

And I'm not gonna go into the knee injury again but I'll just reinstate that if she did that Dubai concert right after it she could've definitely done at least the BET and the Grammys. As she said in her own words, 'her voice is her instrument and she doesn't need to move as much'. But I guess the BET and Grammys did not have a $25 million check ready for her  

 

 

I see your point. And agree that I would prefer for a concert film of one show over many, though in this case the fact that fashion was so much a part of the tour as a whole entity, I don't mind. I think it's all in the editing, really, which I thought could have used MORE fashion montages in this case, if they were going to do it...whereas the OTRI special (with just 2 dates) was so haphazardly edited it's almost not enjoyable. I suppose they could have achieved the same her by just having infrequent montages when she's not actually performing to let us know there was a lot of fashion but holding the action on one show itself.

 

Anyway, ya I think the key to why Dubai/Touring vs. Grammys/BET as you said is that the first two are probably contractually planned and also a pay day while the other two she can drop out of and doesn't give much besides promo which she clearly doesn't strive for.

 

I also think that given she HADN'T performed at all, there's that much more pressure and importance on the few she does (not qualitatively but conceptually), and I duno giving one CUFF IT Grammy's performance and nothing else would be kind of weird. I kind of like an all-or-nothing approach to her promo... at least for the sake of the concept as a whole. BUT that's just me. As a fan it's hard I guess to know a performance could have taken CUFF IT even higher, considering just the remix made it re-peak, and harder still to only just imagine what it might be.

 

 

Edited January 19, 20242 yr by swissman

1 hour ago, cloudbusting said:

eh I disagree with this take. obviously she’ll never be as intimate as she was earlier in her career (safety and sheer venue size), it still feels like a show that’s meant for the in-person experience. some of the finer details get lost simply because of the scale (like the UNIQUE on her nails for AS).  I think other than occasionally needing to be in a certain spot to get the full effect - not unique to her bc an individual can only be in one spot at any given time - everything still reads as meant to be experienced there.
 

but even after scaling up, she does still find little ways of connecting to the audience here and there with the shoutouts when she sees something that catches her eye (like at my show when she was gagged that someone already duped the red Loewe).
 

idk it’s something that I think every artist who gets up to stadium-levels has to struggle with because you also have to consider what’ll translate well over the screens so that folks up in the nosebleeds still feel involved.

 

but also I might be off the mark by what you meant and this is just a rambling essay for no reason 

no you’re obviously right !

obviously she can’t be at 100% all the time like she was back in the day but i feel like during Ren she went harder during the filmed shows than during the regular ones, and even then she still had to mashup different filmed performances to make it "perfect” 

 

idk i guess the point others made about her filmed live performances not feeling like actual live performances anymore bothers me 

 

i love Be Alive’s performance despite hating the song but i fear that the few non-tour performances we’ll get in the future (if any) will be in that perfect music video type of vibe… and that’s now what we’re used to from Bey like i need her on the actual stage showing the girls how it’s done LIVE 

1 hour ago, family.guy123 said:

That outfit is insane. Where’s it from

one of the MET shows