8 hours ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Wrong. 

Some of yall are really selling break my soul short just because she pulled the trigger on it and didnt push it further. Its easily her best lead alongside Formation, Deja Vu and Crazy in Love

I totally agree.

 

I think of the more "club" tracks, BMS is perhaps the song that sticks out most on the record sonically which might make it a bad idea for a lead single like how Run the World had little to do with the rest of 4, but since BMS is still very on theme to the album, it kind of leads like a banner of what's to come.

 

I think if she had picked other great options like ALIEN SUPERSTAR or HEATED, it would have been a touch too specific for the lead, maybe a bit too abrupt of a change for the general listener. BMS did the great thing of balancing her theme and her new direction in way that was accessible and with an overall message but that didn't also give away the magic and surprise uniqueness of the record, saving that for debut.

 

Also the "back outside" lyrics were perfectly suited for that moment, and for Beyoncé's own storytelling too. (Even if she was hardly every outside after releasing it lol).

 

 

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I really wish she hadn’t given up on releasing singles. Energy sounds like a multi format smash

Just now, Draper. said:

No mainstream artist doing pop music was getting a 100/100 before 2010, that's not something against Bey. And to be honest, DIL or IASF don't deserve that score anyway. And yes, Lemonade was showered with 100s.

TBH, I was speaking more broadly. RS, Grammys, etc. 

 

I know that branding is everything, so an act like Bey who is largely perceived as making a** shaking music is unlikely to get the praise of acts who make music that is packaged as "serious". Unsurprisingly, it's Bey's own "serious" music that is her most hailed (Lemonade etc). 

 

However, those definitions are arguably kind of archaic these days. Just look at the type of tracks that get nominated for Grammys and even winning them. Times are changing. 

 

I'm just saying and stick to my point that there's still a huge issue when Bey's most "critically praised" music still isn't showered with the same scale of praise of the material of an Olivia, Taylor, Adele, Harry, and the likes. There is a clear trend, disparity and gap in who takes home the tangible wins and who we are still having to stress is critically underrated despite being universally celebrated as the "Queen Bey".

And Taylor does not work 50% as hard as Beyoncé. Be real. We may not like her, but she deserves some credit 

 

(I for one actually do like Taylor. She’s one of my most played artists)

2 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

The people who aren’t voting for her to win AOTY are not the same people giving her 100% reviews and #1 YE placements 

The Grammy committee, especially as they open it up more and more, is comprised of music makers, execs, and some journalists. I literally know of a few from different publications. 

1 minute ago, Cbreezy said:

The Grammy committee, especially as they open it up more and more, is comprised of music makers, execs, and some journalists. I literally know of a few from different publications. 

Yeah. I’m saying that her supporters are enthusiastic and loud online. They vote for her to win AOTY. The voters who think she’s just fine or aren’t fans of her music aren’t going online and writing articles about that. They just vote for somebody else. 

We go round in circles, round in circles 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

TBH, I was speaking more broadly. RS, Grammys, etc. 

RS gave Lemonade a 100. It was #2 on the year-end list, with Formation at #1 for songs. The album is #2 for the decade. Renaissance was #1, with Cuff It at #2 for songs. She's the most awarded Grammy artist ever.

 

Yeah, she should have at least 2 AOTY. But saying Bey doesn't get the recognition other artists get is really not it, she absolutely does.

Edited September 8, 20233 yr by Draper.

tbh I'd rather get a billion dollars than cute praise from Kidney Stone or a doorstop from the Shammys

 

Im gonna put out sth into the universe now:

I want Bey to record a track or do a live performance with Samara Joy and show what an A classic vocalist she is in her own right, even being capable to absolutely devour a jazz-y song

 

Now THATS a collab the world needs to witness

Edited September 8, 20233 yr by Kristie Kuwa

1 minute ago, Draper. said:

RS gave Lemonade a 100. It was #2 on the year-end list, with Formation at #1 for songs. The album is #2 for the decade. Renaissance was #1, with Cuff It at #2 for songs. She's the most awarded Grammy artist ever.

 

Yeah, she should have at least 2 AOTY. But saying Bey doesn't get the recognition other artists get is really not it, she absolutely does.

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

 

IMO, she absolutely does not get her fair shake critically. That’s not to say she doesn’t get anything at all. But the fact that we have to keep pointing to Lemonade (her most “serious” branded album) says all there is to say about the supposed “meritocracy” that is the music industry. 
 

Bey, in many ways, is championed by the people, the culture, her tangible commercial success, and then her critical acclaim. Literally in that order. 
 

Surely we’re all in agreement that Bey has ample material on both sides of Lemonade that have been deserving of Lemonade’s praise.
 

Note how the likes of Taylor, Adele, Billie, Olivia and them all have **multiple** projects that are showered with all the love, critical acclaim etc no matter the surrounding circumstance. Multiple. While we largely have…Lemonade. Even when we get a glimmer of hope with Ren, it’s shut out of tangible (key word: tangible) take home honors.

 

Most of us are hip to the fact that the music industry is not a meritocracy. So, it’s not lost on me that Bey is definitely self sabotaging to a degree by not promoting and not being “as” visible. But at a time when all of the top acts are skewing “mysterious”, I can’t even hold her mystery as the primary justification for her not getting her dues.  Plus…when you see the likes of Kendrick (a consistently “serious” skewing Black artist) constantly getting shut out in favour of Taylor, Billie, Harry,  and them, we really can’t act like we’re not seeing the obvious. 

Rosie Odonnell’s review of the show. She goes off topic a couple times but still an amazing review. She was gagged

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT82C7Dwm/

 

she said she’s going to see Gaga, Madonna, Pink, Melissa Etheridge and a bunch other female artists

9 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

Note how the likes of Taylor, Adele, Billie, Olivia and them all have **multiple** projects that are showered with all the love, critical acclaim etc no matter the surrounding circumstance. Multiple. While we largely have…Lemonade. Even when we get a glimmer of hope with Ren, it’s shut out of tangible (key word: tangible) take home honors.

Say whatever.

 

Beyoncé:

Lemonade -9 100s

Homecoming - 1 100 (out of 6 reviews)

Renaissance - 6 100s

 

Olivia:

SOUR - 0 100s

GUTS - 3 100s

 

Billie:

WWAFAWDWG - 3 100s

Happier Than Ever - 1 100

 

Adele:

21 - 2 100s (both from UK media which is quite chavinistic)

25 - 2 100s

30 - 3 100s

 

Taylor:

1989 - 0 100s

reputation - 0 100s

Lover - 0 100s

folklore - 4 100s

evermore - 2 100s

Fearless TV - 2 100s

Red TV - 2 100s

Midnights - 3 100s

Speak Now TV - 0 100s

 

Not to mention Bey got an 8.0 and an 8.8 for 4 and Self-Titled respectively when the rest of them were not even getting reviewed.

The new Rodarte collection is giving Brown Skin Girl visual

 

 

I believe Lupita wore Rodarte in the video so it was clearly on their moodboard. Her fashion impact is insane 

56 minutes ago, Draper. said:

RS gave Lemonade a 100. It was #2 on the year-end list, with Formation at #1 for songs. The album is #2 for the decade. Renaissance was #1, with Cuff It at #2 for songs. She's the most awarded Grammy artist ever.

 

Yeah, she should have at least 2 AOTY. But saying Bey doesn't get the recognition other artists get is really not it, she absolutely does.

This might sound like stan delusion but yes she does not get the recognition she deserves. Kanye himself pointed out that winning only in the hip hop/ rnb categories is stifling and it keeps you in a box. Almost all of her awards are rnb related, no Album of the year wins and a couple wins in the main categories.

 

The committees are hypocrites, they said Beck won because his album was more critically acclaimed and less commercial and then turned around to say Lemonade wasn't big commercially and no on heard it.

Edited September 8, 20233 yr by carameldelight

1 hour ago, Blue Rose said:

I really wish she hadn’t given up on releasing singles. Energy sounds like a multi format smash

THIS! 

Oooooooooh I kind of like this other theory about the 3 ACTS. Since we don’t have much to discuss, I like going down rabbit holes 
 

Comment from TikTok

@Feranmi: I BEEN NEW!!! ITS THE MUSICAL ERAS! RENNAISANCE, BAROQUE, ROMANTIC, CLASSICAL AND MODERN!!! GET TO KNOW

 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRWTxdKk/

1 hour ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Im gonna put out sth into the universe now:

I want Bey to record a track or do a live performance with Samara Joy and show what an A classic vocalist she is in her own right, even being capable to absolutely devour a jazz-y song

 

Now THATS a collab the world needs to witness

Let me quote myself so my wish becomes reality

 

@sillycilla Renaissance is not a musical era, so that theory is garbage

Edited September 8, 20233 yr by Kristie Kuwa

4 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Let me quote myself so my wish becomes reality

 

@sillycilla Renaissance is not a musical era, so that theory is garbage

2 hours ago, carameldelight said:

This might sound like stan delusion but yes she does not get the recognition she deserves. Kanye himself pointed out that winning only in the hip hop/ rnb categories is stifling and it keeps you in a box. Almost all of her awards are rnb related, no Album of the year wins and a couple wins in the main categories.

 

The committees are hypocrites, they said Beck won because his album was more critically acclaimed and less commercial and then turned around to say Lemonade wasn't big commercially and no on heard it.

You're mixing many things. Kanye said it about the VMAs, but she's actually won every category there. She's their most awarded artist, and they even nominated her 4 times this year WITHOUT releasing videos.

 

The Grammys have an issue with racism. That's where she is not winning outside of RnB categories. It's obvious, and it's been pointed out. Huge artists like Drake, The Weeknd and Frank don't even submit their work anymore, and I'm sure Bey thinks the same as them. But she can't do that because unlike them she actually wins awards and everyone would turn it into a "Beyoncé thinks she's a goddess"/she's a diva/she's ungrateful issue.

 

And the Grammy's never said anything about Beck being more acclaimed, they don't give reasons to their decisions and well, he WASN'T more acclaimed. Just google the facts. About Lemonade, I don't even know how I was listening back then. If she relesed exclusively on Tidal today I'd probably wouldn't listen half as much as I did Lemonade.

Edited September 8, 20233 yr by Draper.

21 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

Oooooooooh I kind of like this other theory about the 3 ACTS. Since we don’t have much to discuss, I like going down rabbit holes 
 

Comment from TikTok

@Feranmi: I BEEN NEW!!! ITS THE MUSICAL ERAS! RENNAISANCE, BAROQUE, ROMANTIC, CLASSICAL AND MODERN!!! GET TO KNOW

 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRWTxdKk/

act ii BAROQUE, but she will spell it like BAROCK. It’s the Rock album. Her Viva La Vida era which has Baroque Pop elements

 

6 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

act ii BAROQUE, but she will spell it like BAROCK. It’s the Rock album. Her Viva La Vida era which has Baroque Pop elements

 

Thats funnily the German spelling for it, and thereve been quite some.famous composers coming from.Germany during that era

Edited September 8, 20233 yr by Kristie Kuwa

1 minute ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Thats funnily the German spelling for it, where Barock also originated from

we might be onto something. Throw in there a Rammstein feature and it’s a global smash

 

I stopped even entertaining theories months ago, especially knowing they refilmed.

Ch... Let others have their flowers. It doesn't take anything away from Beyoncé. 

Seriously. She's the most acclaimed female of her generation, she wins some, she loses some. Who cares that some others get acclaim too? Who cares that a journalist at RS loves another album better? 

 

Even if Bey doesn’t get all that she should get, so what? Neither did the legends before her. Why bring it up just because a teenager is getting acclaim? This need to see Beyoncé as severely underrated or hated by her peers is just as problematic as the "she's so overrated" stance imo.