2 minutes ago, Blue Honeymoon said:

The discounts and payola are giving me Butterfly and Rainbow era vibes (The label needed Mariah to be #1, no matter what)

Girl what are you talking about, none of her #1 singles from those albums were #1 on Pop let alone Overall Radio

 

Take a sit, before you come for Mariah "Legend" Carey

59 minutes ago, Mr. Adele said:

Sure sweetheart

 

 

Telling me sure when you appeared in more Taylor Swift's thread than most swifties

1 minute ago, doonerr said:

Girl what are you talking about, none of her #1 singles from those albums were #1 on Pop let alone Overall Radio

 

Take a sit, before you come for Mariah "Legend" Carey

Of course they weren't, because even payola can't make your song #1 on pop radio if people aren't here for it (as with Look What You Made Me Do). But they pushed the singles as far as they could on radio, and they heavily discounted them.

 

I mean... Honey, My All, Heartbreaker,Thank God I Found You, Loverboy, Don't Forget About Us. All of those #1 singles (and Loverboy) were very unorganic and forced by the label. That's the reason they peaked and then fastly dropped. I mean... look at their year-end chart positions. They all charted very low compared to Mariah real and organic #1's. (Fantasy, One Sweet Day, Always Be My Baby, Vision of Love, We Belong Together, Hero, etc.)

1 minute ago, Blue Honeymoon said:

Of course they weren't, because even payola can't make your song #1 on pop radio if people aren't here for it (as with Look What You Made Me Do). But they pushed the singles as far as they could on radio, and they heavily discounted them.

 

I mean... Honey, My All, Heartbreaker,Thank God I Found You, Loverboy, Don't Forget About Us. All of those #1 singles (and Loverboy) were very unorganic and forced by the label. That's the reason they peaked and then fastly dropped. I mean... look at their year-end chart positions. They all charted very low compared to Mariah real and organic #1's. (Fantasy, One Sweet Day, Always Be My Baby, Vision of Love, We Belong Together, Hero, etc.)

Basically like every label does on radio?

Why are you blaming Mariah for something everybody does?

Edited October 6, 20179 yr by taylor__fan

Well, Mariah's label didn't payol'd Rainbow and Glitter era. They used strategy to push song to the airplay, waiting for solid audience peak and then releasing physical single with discount. After first week of sales her singles gained big amount of sales and jumped to #1 spot. Yeah, they falled down soon after their peak, because song wasn't hit on the radio. 

Edited October 6, 20179 yr by Rated

Just now, taylor__fan said:

Basically like every label does on radio?

Why are you blaming Mariah for something everybody does?

Not everybody does that.  For example, all of Katheryn's #1's are legit, and you can see that by their sales and chart performance. CTTR flopped, and the label didn't go for ridiculous payola trying to get a hit when the GP clearly said "no"

6 minutes ago, Blue Honeymoon said:

Of course they weren't, because even payola can't make your song #1 on pop radio if people aren't here for it (as with Look What You Made Me Do). But they pushed the singles as far as they could on radio, and they heavily discounted them.

 

I mean... Honey, My All, Heartbreaker,Thank God I Found You, Loverboy, Don't Forget About Us. All of those #1 singles (and Loverboy) were very unorganic and forced by the label. That's the reason they peaked and then fastly dropped. I mean... look at their year-end chart positions. They all charted very low compared to Mariah real and organic #1's. (Fantasy, One Sweet Day, Always Be My Baby, Vision of Love, We Belong Together, Hero, etc.)

Sis, are you even serious? All those songs were sales driven despite low airplay not because people didn't like them, they obviously did since they are all platinum or 2x platinum coming off 4x platinum and 3x platinum albums. It's just radio didn't like Mariah's new image and sound. A reverse Taylor Swift 1989 era tea

 

All the songs you listed minus Loverboy reached #1 being sales-driven without a discount during the peak position

Edited October 6, 20179 yr by doonerr

1 minute ago, doonerr said:

Sis, are you even serious? All those songs were sales driven despite low airplay not because people didn't like them, they obviously did since they are all platinum or 2x platinum coming off 4x platinum and 3x platinum albums. It's just radio didn't like Mariah's new image and sound. A reverse Taylor Swift 1989 era tea

 

All hit songs you listed despite Loverboy reached #1 being sales-driven without a discount during the peak position

Loverboy could be #1, because it was the best-selling week of 2001, but radio was weak, when Bootylicious reched the top on sales and airplay.

14 minutes ago, SlaylorSwift said:

Telling me sure when you appeared in more Taylor Swift's thread than most swifties

If you say so 

 

Not gonna waste my time arguing with you, specially in a chart thread. This is off topic and unnecessary.

 

OP: Do you guys think 1-800 will hit #1 on pop radio? 

Just now, Mr. Adele said:

OP: Do you guys think 1-800 will hit #1 on pop radio? 

It will #1 not only on Pop, but overall too. Probably after two week.

Just now, Rated said:

It will #1 not only on Pop, but overall too. Probably after two week.

Oh wow Thanks for the answer!

33 minutes ago, Blue Honeymoon said:

The discounts and payola are giving me Butterfly and Rainbow era vibes (The label needed Mariah to be #1, no matter what)

nah, that was Mottola.

Butterfly could've been possibly another #1 she missed because Mottola refused to release it in physical.

1 minute ago, doonerr said:

Sis, are you even serious? All those songs were sales driven despite low airplay not because people didn't like them, they obviously did since they are all platinum or 2x platinum coming off 4x platinum and 3x platinum albums. It's just radio didn't like Mariah's new image and sound. A reverse Taylor Swift 1989 era tea

 

All hit songs you listed despite Loverboy reached #1 being sales-driven without a discount during the peak position

They sold well because they were heavily discounted.  I mean... there are many articles that have analyzed Mariah's cheap tactics. Just an example:

 

"In the 1990s and early 2000s, Billboard‘s Hot 100 was primarily tabulated based on sales. Most singles cost $2.99. When Mariah Carey’s career started to lose steam, her singles were discounted to 49 cents. Fox News explained how Mariah turned chart flops into chart toppers with this type of manipulation"

 

"In mid-1997, Mariah released the song “Honey,” which was not doing so well on the radio, at least not as well as expected. Call out research on the song was only average. However, when Sony discounted the song to 49 cents, the song immediately hit No. 1. Sony and Billboard were trying to give an illusion that Mariah was still a chart-topper, and it worked to a certain extent. In the spring of 1998, Mariah released another “No. 1” song, “My All,” which would have only been a top 10 hit had it not been discounted for 49 cents. The same could be said for future Mariah Carey “No. 1” songs such as “Heartbreaker” and “Thank God I Found You.”"

2 minutes ago, Letters From Adi said:

nah, that was Mottola.

Butterfly could've been possibly another #1 she missed because Mottola refused to release it in physical.

Butterfly could be real #1, because single's Billboard component charts positions are better than every song from this album has. 

6 minutes ago, Blue Honeymoon said:

They sold well because they were heavily discounted.  I mean... there are many articles that have analyzed Mariah's cheap tactics. Just an example:

 

"In the 1990s and early 2000s, Billboard‘s Hot 100 was primarily tabulated based on sales. Most singles cost $2.99. When Mariah Carey’s career started to lose steam, her singles were discounted to 49 cents. Fox News explained how Mariah turned chart flops into chart toppers with this type of manipulation"

 

"In mid-1997, Mariah released the song “Honey,” which was not doing so well on the radio, at least not as well as expected. Call out research on the song was only average. However, when Sony discounted the song to 49 cents, the song immediately hit No. 1. Sony and Billboard were trying to give an illusion that Mariah was still a chart-topper, and it worked to a certain extent. In the spring of 1998, Mariah released another “No. 1” song, “My All,” which would have only been a top 10 hit had it not been discounted for 49 cents. The same could be said for future Mariah Carey “No. 1” songs such as “Heartbreaker” and “Thank God I Found You.”"

Not that reposted Examiner article again. You can clearly say he's far from being a fan of Mariah just by the language  

 

Discounts cannot make a song go from just Top 10 to #1. If someone doesn't like the song, they won't purchase irregardless. Practices like these were commonplace. Discounting has been going on for decades even before she came and even well after her peak and will continue to be.

 

Every artist that has amassed multiple #1s or massive sellers has used some trick in one way or another.

Is that a rollback effect for Mi Gente on pop?

1 hour ago, Blue Honeymoon said:

Not everybody does that.  For example, all of Katheryn's #1's are legit, and you can see that by their sales and chart performance. CTTR flopped, and the label didn't go for ridiculous payola trying to get a hit when the GP clearly said "no"

Well you dont even know if they pushed them ior not,  if the songis huge in radio, they use it for it to last more at the top, but it happends with maaany songs anyway, including all from taylor, including her country times

 

Even in the country billboard report of the week you could see ads saying final push this week for songs that were peaking, every week for different songs, including for example Mean, sparks fly and ours (that i remember)

 

 

Edited October 6, 20179 yr by taylor__fan

http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/call/callout.asp?VIEWID=&GRC=C

 

Look's still not on the pop callout 

 

Feel It Still 

18 minutes ago, teamlor said:

http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/call/callout.asp?VIEWID=&GRC=C

 

Look's still not on the pop callout 

 

Feel It Still 

The lack of taste is real

Feel it still is excellent

the twinkpop boys dominating the callouts 

The three best songs at the bottom  The GP taste is absolutely tragic.

I get why people don’t like FIS. It gets old very quickly and is extremely repetitive 

I get why people don’t like FIS. It gets old very quickly and is extremely repetitive 

1 hour ago, butterflysupreme said:

I get why people don’t like FIS. It gets old very quickly and is extremely repetitive 

I mean I like it but yeah this

 

Praying too, her voice gets so annoying by the end

Sorry but Look not meeting the familiarity is weird now