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I get this comparison but I think Beyoncé is a better comparison in terms of commercial and chart success. Both hitmakers and favor consistency over one giant peak. Both are consistent albums artists and hitmakers with dedicated fan bases that carry them even for the eras that aren't as well-received by the GP. They both have 8 studio albums and almost equal chart stats. Beyonce 9 #1 hits 24 top 10s 107 charting songs DIL: #1 for 1 week (102 weeks total B'Day: #1 for 1 week (74 weeks) IASF: #1 for 1 week (193 weeks) 4: #1 for 2 weeks (78 weeks) Beyoncé: #1 for 3 weeks (186 weeks) Lemonade: #1 for 1 week (87 weeks) Renaissance: #1 for 1 week ( 91 weeks) Cowboy Carter: #1 for 2 weeks (58 weeks) Weeks at #1: 12 weeks Total weeks on the chart: 869 weeks 8 #1 albums 3 multi week #1 albums Ariana Grande 10 #1 hits 25 top 10s 110 charting songs Yours Truly: #1 for 1 week (54 weeks total) My Everything: #1 for 1 week (100 weeks total) DW: #2 (170 weeks) *still charting Sweetener: #1 for 1 week (91 weeks) TUN: #1 for 2 weeks (196 weeks) *still charting Positions: #1 for 2 weeks (107 weeks) Eternal Sunshine: #1 for 3 weeks (128 weeks) *still charting Petal: #1 for 1 week (4 weeks) *still charting 11 weeks at #1 850 weeks on the chart 7 #1 albums 3 multi week #1 albums Ariana is equals with Gaga/Bey atp, however Bey is a better comparison for Ariana considering their trajectory and they are consistently huge and have no flops.

She surpassed Katy a long time ago and she's about equal with Gaga now and on pace to surpass her real soon. Anybody denying that is blinded by nostalgia and needs to get with the times. Petal had a bigger opening than any Gaga album since Born this Way in 2011. Almost half of Gaga's recurrent units are from The Fame/Monster. Ariana's recurrent units aren't reliant on one major album. Gaga may have had a bigger peak (tbf TF/TFM is a bigger peak than 90% of artists past and present) but Ariana's overall catalogue is stronger. Chartmasters: Gaga: 107.5M (+19,750) Ariana: 106M (+27,550) petal units are not included yet* This site is so weirdly dismissive of Ariana because of streaming when she pioneered streaming for female pop artists. This current generation follows Ariana not Gaga, Katy, etc. Yall didn't care about streaming records until TUN because none of your faves were making any noise on streaming. Put some respect on her name. And the "no iconic moments" is ridiculous. You're just old and out of touch. TuN was a whole cultural phenomenon. Please sit down.

In all seriousness, marketing was non-existent. I'm chronically online in these pop music spaces and had no idea they were releasing. Also they abandoned their adult contemporary audience, which was the core of their base, when they decided to be authentic to their true self. It's a respectable position but the commercial outcome of that decision isn't going to show a favorable return. If they were marketed similar to someone like Troye Sivan from the jump they wouldn't have the massive commercial success they had during their peak but would probably have a more stable career long term in pop music's middle class. It's a trade off.

Probably one of the worst offenses of nepotism I've witnessed recently. At least Gracie Abrams despite being bland and untalented had some bops thanks to Audrey Hobert and also had a more gradual come up, not having a break out hit until her second album. And her dad is a creative in the entertainment industry not a Groupon billionaire like this Stella Leftly person. I mean she has barely any footprint in the music industry or on social media and all of a sudden has a huge hit song? Not to mention the song is garbage and an AI ripoff of Stick Season. Unfortunately the internet has been corporatized and now these billionaires are using the fragmented culture, attention economy and algorithm to their advantage by buying their way in. It's easier to get a hit when you can have your billionaire daddy buy airplay, playlisting and priority on the algorithm. Way easier to achieve this than it was before when the monoculture was stronger. I'm not usually for gatekeepers but they need to gatekeep these nepobabies. There is always going to be nepotism but it was never this egregious in music. I'll take boring and inoffensive Gracie Abrams flavor of nepotism over this lady any day.

Sam Smith and Lizzo confirmed boatmates

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HTIMYLM went #1 rhythmic radio. Her 4th #1 there after 34+35, LMH and Problem. Her first solo #1 there since it was the remix of 34+35 that went #1. This is probably her biggest radio hit since Positions era and one of her biggest multi-format radio hits. I'm surprised with all her cross genre hits HTIMYLM is the song rhythmic airplay rallied behind lol

She wrote everything on ES though. Max doesn't write lyrics and he's not a lyricist. Max and Ariana have similar strengths - melody and vocal production. The lyrics on ES are vague as well which worked for that album but didn't work for this one because of how she sold it to the fans/public. The problem is she chose restraint on an album she described as "feral". Vocals, delivery and overall tone are too similar to ES and ES was well-received and popular. She needed a more significant shift to differentiate this album. There are some songs where she is trying different things, but overall it's not reinventing the wheel for her. Similar to Positions following TUN, difference is Positions had big vocal moments and was less cynical which separated it from TUN. ES and petal both have dystopian themes and commentary on fame, and are mostly exploring the same sounds give or take a few songs. If she recorded the songs like how she's performing them live it would have made a world of difference. The music and lyrics hit much harder with a more dominant and aggressive vocal performance. She made an artistic choice on record and it didn't fully resonate.

This should have been a streaming release. Her team setting her up by going theatrical.

That's the problem. Most liberals aren't like that but the annoying ones online are given the biggest platform and are the de-facto representation for liberals in general and the group that the right targets their attacks on. This subset on the left are always on the defense. MAGA represents conservatism as a whole now, they have control over all their politicians and the culture, they are united. The left is fragmented. If anything is fueling MAGA its the vocal minority of the left giving them material to respond to. The left has a huge marketing problem and the annoying moralizing vocal minority on the left is the root of that. Most actual leftists care about getting their legislation passed not policing people online for their alleged moral wrongdoings, but we wouldn't know that based on the media and the algorithm.

The moralizing from the left is obnoxious and drives people away from the left. That's why the right has control over our culture, media and government right now. Yes the right is dangerous but the left aren't helping the cause by propping up these self-righteous moralizing clowns that are doing it for woke points online. They need to be called out for their bs just like the right is. As a long time progressive who actually cares about getting legislation passed like Medicare for all, taxing the rich, funding our public schools, etc. these leftists online complaining about minor grievances and blowing them up are driving people away and only making the right stronger. The irony is they are actually circling back to conservatism with their lack of nuance and critical thinking skills.

Her vibes and aura. She also doesn't have the parasocial fanbase/hater element either. She's allowed more flexibility bc people are willing to accept her in various forms and not question it. Nobody is super attached positively or negatively to her persona, she's a universally recognized "cool girl" and generally liked by most of the public.

In what world do these two not have industry support? Billie has more Grammys than most legends. Grammys are voted on by the industry. I love Billie and enjoy Olivia's music but neither lack industry support bffr. Olivia's album rollout had so much industry support and backing. If anything the industry over-hypes them. Gen Z artists wouldn't last a day with how the industry treated their female millennial counterparts. If this was 2010-2015 neither would have any GF Grammy nominations, never mind multiple wins, especially Olivia being an ex-act. They didn't give artist's coming from those networks respect right away back then.

The most obvious case of payola I've seen in awhile. Where are these mysterious 10m US streams coming from? She wants an Oscar so bad they're buying streams and airplay to inflate chart positions

The internet also said The Fame aged badly in the mid-to-late 2010s and now look at it. They just say anything to drag. TUN has some of the strongest recurrent daily streams from 2019 female albums. Only Lover is slightly ahead in daily streams.