5 hours ago, stochastic said:

Jfc we get it. V is a Tirtir ambassador

 

Yeon? Why boot someone from the vocal line? 

I'm not telling you why 

 

blurry camera guy is back

 

5 hours ago, Save-Me-Oprah said:

 

 

 

 

 

all these LSRF's Tokyo Dome promotion on ATRL and they still can't sell out

 

anyway, your impact on me as i learnt from you during your RIIZE/Seunghan's crashout

Edited November 16, 2025Nov 16 by newaespa

5 hours ago, youresotoxic said:

 

it sounds so good so far  @DelRey

 

NCT Dream power tops confirmed. WBK 

reading all the ador details is so heartbreaking like the girls are actually royally screwed  the media is absolutely destroying them. their counsel must be terrible considering how hybe managed to pit 2 against 3 and there's rumors of ador making them renew on the spot so forget 2029. this is terrible all around and they might even be forced to broadcast a public apology and disavow MHJ 

 

 

sold of their tag PR shares as soon as things got real with the Blake lively ruling

 

yet some users here parrot their talking points for free…. These CRIMINAL DEFENDERS

 

All the think-pieces about the NewJeans situation are interesting to read but I feel like everyone is overestimating the actual group members' agency in this debacle. From my perspective it seems like a bunch of kids were emotionally manipulated by the adults employing them on either side of a power struggle. I'm sure there's stuff we'll never know about and the actual truth of who did what will probably never be clear but the mere fact that the group members took such an insane stance (no legal basis for their actions, no evidence, etc.) says, in my opinion, that they were completely isolated from anyone who would give them actual good advice or, like, was in touch with reality at all. Like they were children at the time that this was all happening and very clearly nobody involved had their best interests at heart. It's really, really depressing.

 

A bunch of kids entering the entertainment industry and becoming so reliant on and emotionally attached to their boss that they're incentivized to go scorched-earth against their employer on the basis of pretty much nothing.......there is a word for that.

7 minutes ago, Blueberry Kisses said:

All the think-pieces about the NewJeans situation are interesting to read but I feel like everyone is overestimating the actual group members' agency in this debacle. From my perspective it seems like a bunch of kids were emotionally manipulated by the adults employing them on either side of a power struggle. I'm sure there's stuff we'll never know about and the actual truth of who did what will probably never be clear but the mere fact that the group members took such an insane stance (no legal basis for their actions, no evidence, etc.) says, in my opinion, that they were completely isolated from anyone who would give them actual good advice or, like, was in touch with reality at all. Like they were children at the time that this was all happening and very clearly nobody involved had their best interests at heart. It's really, really depressing.

 

A bunch of kids entering the entertainment industry and becoming so reliant on and emotionally attached to their boss that they're incentivized to go scorched-earth against their employer on the basis of pretty much nothing.......there is a word for that.

When we look at the several case (most famous ones being 50/50 & NWJNS) all we see is most of the members are underages or very young adults.

12 minutes ago, Blueberry Kisses said:

All the think-pieces about the NewJeans situation are interesting to read but I feel like everyone is overestimating the actual group members' agency in this debacle. From my perspective it seems like a bunch of kids were emotionally manipulated by the adults employing them on either side of a power struggle. I'm sure there's stuff we'll never know about and the actual truth of who did what will probably never be clear but the mere fact that the group members took such an insane stance (no legal basis for their actions, no evidence, etc.) says, in my opinion, that they were completely isolated from anyone who would give them actual good advice or, like, was in touch with reality at all. Like they were children at the time that this was all happening and very clearly nobody involved had their best interests at heart. It's really, really depressing.

 

A bunch of kids entering the entertainment industry and becoming so reliant on and emotionally attached to their boss that they're incentivized to go scorched-earth against their employer on the basis of pretty much nothing.......there is a word for that.

Interesting think-piece about Newjeans situation but I feel like you are overestimating your knowledge of the members and the situation in this debacle. From my perspective, you seem like a kid who was emotionally manipulated by the media. We actually know what the truth is, but you would have to take the time to read up on the situation, or at the bare minimum watch the 2-3 videos where the concerned parties voice their complaints publicly. In my opinion, you seem completely isolated from actual news sources and proper translations, and like, not in touch with reality at all. Like you are a child when this is happening and very clearly nobody had your best education at heart. It's really, really depressing.

 

A kid posting on a Kpop forum and talking out of his ass that he knows better than everybody else despite not understanding Korean nor reading up on anything and saying some bs about some Kpop idols on the basis of pretty much nothing.......there are words for that, it's called ignorance, arrogance and media illiteracy. 

Sakura Braxton 

Gaeun.  
 

So sad to see her gave up after they stole her spot in Iz*Rig 

This whole new jeans situation is so unfortunate, they are only kids in the end, and yes we shlould blame the adults (hybe and mhj) i just dont understand to this point that there are still people who defend mhj or hybe like they are booth greedy af. Just because i hate mhj doesnt meant i side with hybe. I just just dont understand why people force words in others mouth that if you support NJ then we should support MHJ too...this idea of them is belong to each other is what honestly feeding the girls ego.. the reality is that they are only workers signed to hybe...i think what MHJ did to them really screwed their ego and mental like they are willing to publicly lying in court ...and now they are getting hate here and there....this is so unforttunate becuse they are only minors.... Mhj is evil i just dont understand how people cant see that.

Edited November 16, 2025Nov 16 by Pinter

1 hour ago, Xalric said:

When we look at the several case (most famous ones being 50/50 & NWJNS) all we see is most of the members are underages or very young adults.

Don't forget households where the father is no longer present.

 

 

15 minutes ago, Pinter said:

Mhj is evil i just dont understand how people cant see that.

Not sure if she's evil or if she's just really open to evil possession.  Regardless, even though this has been a fairly obvious case (Korea just makes it more so) there is this tiny part that will forever wonder if she wasn't set up. 

 

The idea Bighybe would give an outsider what in a really short time became estimated at $100 million just to ride BTS' coattails is one of those things where someone the next morning would think back at what ridiculousness they had agreed to and would immediately start to figure out ways to get that fumbled piece back before it started to go multiple.

 

1 hour ago, geniecantstophypeboy said:

Interesting think-piece about Newjeans situation but I feel like you are overestimating your knowledge of the members and the situation in this debacle. From my perspective, you seem like a kid who was emotionally manipulated by the media. We actually know what the truth is, but you would have to take the time to read up on the situation, or at the bare minimum watch the 2-3 videos where the concerned parties voice their complaints publicly. In my opinion, you seem completely isolated from actual news sources and proper translations, and like, not in touch with reality at all. Like you are a child when this is happening and very clearly nobody had your best education at heart. It's really, really depressing.

 

A kid posting on a Kpop forum and talking out of his ass that he knows better than everybody else despite not understanding Korean nor reading up on anything and saying some bs about some Kpop idols on the basis of pretty much nothing.......there are words for that, it's called ignorance, arrogance and media illiteracy. 

 

i dont think you of all people can say blueberry is arrogant or out of touch with reality when you're flat out rejecting the consensus of korean legal experts and rulings of their judicial process and lashing out like this to anyone not in your kpop stan part time armchair legal expert echo chamber. like talk about emotional manipulation 

Edited November 16, 2025Nov 16 by Butters

27 minutes ago, Pinter said:

This whole new jeans situation is so unfortunate, they are only kids in the end, and yes we shlould blame the adults (hybe and mhj) i just dont understand to this point that there are still people who defend mhj or hybe like they are booth greedy af. Just because i hate mhj doesnt meant i side with hybe. I just just dont understand why people force words in others mouth that if you support NJ then we should support MHJ too...this idea of them is belong to each other is what honestly feeding the girls ego.. the reality is that they are only workers signed to hybe...i think what MHJ did to them really screwed their ego and mental like they are willing to publicly lying in court ...and now they are getting hate here and there....this is so unforttunate becuse they are only minors.... Mhj is evil i just dont understand how people cant see that.

"I support newjeans.... but they are a bunch of liar scumbags arrogant stupid kids"

 

Or as the other poster said above :

 

"hello fellow ktrlers, interesting think pieces and debacle here. in my opinion, from my perspective..... Newjeans are a bunch of ******* ******ed and groomed stupid kids"

 

The doublespeak language from some users here is killing me. 

At least crusty hagmy, lecantsing and illiterate don't hide the fact they hate newjeans lol.

11 minutes ago, Butters said:

 

i dont think you of all people can say blueberry is arrogant or out of touch with reality when you're flat out rejecting the consensus of korean legal experts and rulings of their judicial process and lashing out like this to anyone not in your kpop stan part time armchair legal expert echo chamber. like talk about emotional manipulation 

Did you read the rulings? Did you read anything at all? You didn't. I did. Bye.

Edited November 16, 2025Nov 16 by geniecantstophypeboy

Like legit Itzy's downfall should be studied. I disliked them on their debut but even I couldn't deny they were MASSIVE and I had no choice but to seethe.

 

Giving most lines to Chaeryeong is a choice tho, her voice is just bland. Welp. 

1 hour ago, fais_2311 said:

Sakura Braxton 

Oh Momoriah don't make that face 

 

Spoiler

Jokes aside, she sounds good 

 

1 hour ago, geniecantstophypeboy said:

Interesting think-piece about Newjeans situation but I feel like you are overestimating your knowledge of the members and the situation in this debacle. From my perspective, you seem like a kid who was emotionally manipulated by the media. We actually know what the truth is, but you would have to take the time to read up on the situation, or at the bare minimum watch the 2-3 videos where the concerned parties voice their complaints publicly. In my opinion, you seem completely isolated from actual news sources and proper translations, and like, not in touch with reality at all. Like you are a child when this is happening and very clearly nobody had your best education at heart. It's really, really depressing.

 

A kid posting on a Kpop forum and talking out of his ass that he knows better than everybody else despite not understanding Korean nor reading up on anything and saying some bs about some Kpop idols on the basis of pretty much nothing.......there are words for that, it's called ignorance, arrogance and media illiteracy. 

Can you point me to these 2-3 videos?

 

Tiffany's music under SM was magic

 

It's a little bit pitchy.

 

As someone who DID read the full rulings, and everything related to it or leading to it, both in Korean and English, and is a bit familiar with Korean online culture, Korean media landscape and Korean law :

 

Was Newjeans bullied and discriminated against by Hybe? Yes, like basically all idols to a varied degree. Then why did they lose in 1st trial?

 

1. The bar to terminate your idol contract from bullying alone is very high - (most contracts terminated for financial reasons)

-> Idols are NOT workers -> no legal protection -> no government investigation -> lack of evidence

-> HYBE deleted some hard evidence (CCTV) -> lack of evidence x2

-> HYBE's multi labels system is a legal shield  -> bullying from parents company / sublabels not an issue (different from SM, YG or JYP) -> very confusing for the judge

-> HYBE's law firm Kim&Chang is the legal mafia of South Korea. It's a revolving door for ex judges, ex prosecutors and ex politicians with ties everywhere -> good defense if you spend $$$

 

2. What about breakdown of trust - That's Newjeans' main argument btw, not the bullying.

-> lack of precedents -> It's a constitutional notion that falls under Human Rights that needs to be appealed all the way to the Supreme Court for review (the judge only wrote 2 pages about it in the 1st trial, and 0 in the injunction)

-> MHJ's shareholder case ruling delayed -> That's the crux of the Newjeans lawsuit that sets the facts straight - was MHJ unjustly fired or not? -> No ruling = no fact = no defense.

 

Could Newjeans overturn the 1st trial ruling? Yes.

 

-> MHJ winning her shareholder case would flip the narrative from -HYBE is right- to -MHJ is right- giving Newjeans better odds.

-> Breakdown of trust -> higher courts are better qualified to do in depth legal reviews of the law

 

And if not? They tried.

 

 

Daishi Dance was such a "moment" omg, wish he would go back to produce k-pop songs. 

 

This klassic 

 

 

Love the ******* kick drum so much  the rent was DUE for Messrs GODTUNE.