In 2017, the Women's March served as the first big public backlash event against Trump. However, we hadn't yet seen the ramifications of his presidency and the possibility of our worst fears coming true.

 

This feels like a very different situation and the overt rage is palpable in my friend circles and online.

 

What do you foresee happening over the coming weeks and months as people properly process the upcoming four years we have to look forward to?

There's actually a smaller Women's March rally happening right now but there are bigger ones planned for the inauguration:

It's gonna be hard to tell. Trump winning in 2016 lead to a massive cultural reaction, like the Woman's March, the MeToo movement, protests against ICE, March for our Lives, the 2020 protests, etc. There was a real rejection of his leadership.

 

I don't see the same hapenning this time. The energy is deflated and everyone - outside of Jeff Tiedrich-style resist libs - seems to have reacted to this with a shrug. A scared, terrified shrug, but a shrug nonetheless.

 

I'm sure, down the line, we will see movements rise up against him, especially when he tries to pass more extreme legislation, but it won't be a repeat of 2016-20.

Edited November 9, 20241 yr by Virgos Groove

Some American women are getting into the 4B movement, it seems.

1 hour ago, Virgos Groove said:

It's gonna be hard to tell. Trump winning in 2016 lead to a massive cultural reaction, like the Woman's March, the MeToo movement, protests against ICE, March for our Lives, the 2020 protests, etc. There was a real rejection of his leadership.

 

I don't see the same hapenning this time. The energy is deflated and everyone - outside of Jeff Tiedrich-style resist libs - seems to have reacted to this with a shrug. A scared, terrified shrug, but a shrug nonetheless.

 

I'm sure, down the line, we will see movements rise up against him, especially when he tries to pass more extreme legislation, but it won't be a repeat of 2016-20.

Yeah way different this time. In 2016 Clinton at least won the popular vote and it was a narrower Electoral College loss too. It felt like a fluke caused by depressed turnout that would be corrected in 2018 and 2020, which it was. But we went through all of that only for America to elect Trump again, and this time by an outright majority of the popular vote. More and more it's feeling like 2020 was the fluke, as Biden probably would have lost had the pandemic not happened, given it was a tight Electoral win anyway.

 

America resoundingly told us this is what they want, and we have to respect that. I don't see the point in repeating the 2017 playbook. Time to take a step back and reorganize/re-strategize.

26 minutes ago, Thuggin said:

Yeah way different this time. In 2016 Clinton at least won the popular vote and it was a narrower Electoral College loss too. It felt like a fluke caused by depressed turnout that would be corrected in 2018 and 2020, which it was. But we went through all of that only for America to elect Trump again, and this time by an outright majority of the popular vote. More and more it's feeling like 2020 was the fluke, as Biden probably would have lost had the pandemic not happened, given it was a tight Electoral win anyway.

 

America resoundingly told us this is what they want, and we have to respect that. I don't see the point in repeating the 2017 playbook. Time to take a step back and reorganize/re-strategize.

Yep. I do think - and I hate to use this term - that Trump Derangement Syndrome is starting to hurt the libs. Not because Trump isn't a threat to democracy - he is -, but because people have become numb to it. Hell, his first impeachment gave him his highest approval ratings. Warning about Project 2025 was the one thing that stuck and even that wasn't enough to defeat him.

 

People simply don't care about Russiagate and classified documents if they feel you are overprioritizing going against him over the populace's immediate needs. If you gaslight people over the state of the economy ("Best economy in the world!!", "Bidenomics works"), why would they believe in anything else you say?

 

After 8 years of libs calling Trump a fascist (which he is), but not actually doing anything about it, the guy has become normalized. People are over the circus and he came out on top. Resist Lib-ism (you know, MSNBC, r/WPT, r/politics, Colbert, celebs and major newspaper editorial types) is seen as an out-of-touch coastal clique by the right and the progressive left.

 

The answer is NOT to become Trump-lite or anything like that, but to suggest an actual alternative and lean into popular progressive ideas. With the exception of those three weeks after Biden stepped down, it's Republicans who have dominated the narrative, while Democrats played catch up. That has to change.

Edited November 9, 20241 yr by Virgos Groove

2016 felt like a shocking anomaly that people had to swiftly rebuke. In 2024, people are understanding the reality that this election was won fair and square, and that we need to work with that. We're accepting that we need to change, as well. It's a good start.

Edited November 9, 20241 yr by Capris Groove