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The J-Pop Discussion Thread

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  • A big hank you to everyone who participated and joined the reveals! The second part of the rate was always going to be an uphill battle, and I wonder if something else could've been done to encourage

  • BEST OF 2025 (mini-rate) It's 2025. I believe we haven't done the best of j-pop since... 2015, so it's been a decade. In some way, it's symbolic, as the 'diva' era ended around that time, too. While

  • The Kumi Koda Singles Rate, Pt. 2 ~Budget Edition~   After rating what many consider to be Kumiko's better part of her career, we're entering the 10s, which started off well but some c

There are far worse demons on this playlist for you to pick a fight with.

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And I'm excited to get to them. That AI song calling to me like a red rag to a bull.

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I fear that I've ingested the f5ve kool-aid. I, too, have a magic clock.

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Kenshi Yonezu kind of sounds like Brendon Urie if he was starring in a vampire musical

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1 minute ago, conatus said:

Kenshi Yonezu kind of sounds like Brendon Urie if he was starring in a vampire musical

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Me studying the liddos post-DWAS to see how I can try and give all of the credit for their collab to my fave.

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9 minutes ago, conatus said:

Kenshi Yonezu kind of sounds like Brendon Urie if he was starring in a vampire musical

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Opened the thread and saw this. Maybe y'all deserve Mrs. GREEN APPLE

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1 minute ago, Peak Now said:

Opened the thread and saw this. Maybe y'all deserve Mrs. GREEN APPLE

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Notice how you're not necessarily disagreeing though

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Wait the song on the list is JANE CHOP and not IRIS SMASH. Never mind drag ha

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1 minute ago, Peak Now said:

Wait the song on the list is JANE CHOP and not IRIS SMASH. Never mind drag ha

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How dare you? This hit is keeping Hikki's Duolingo French subscription paid for.

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Just now, conatus said:

Notice how you're not necessarily disagreeing though

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Maybe I should host a modern J-pop classiques rate

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And expose yall to travesties like Chiisa na koi no uta where nobody sings on key

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And proceed to not submit to my own rate

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This Yumi song at the end of the playlist kind of eats... she's mothering going on six decades now.

1 minute ago, Graves said:

How dare you? This hit is keeping Hikki's Duolingo French subscription paid for.

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The edit... what was the original fanbase?

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And I actually liked Iris Out on first listen lol. Kengod Yonesus you will ALWAYS be famous

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Me too... I read the op, but not well enough to notice the AI music was actually in the list. Let me revise my Google sheet...

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Is it just the vocals?

Imogen Heap and her AI vocals this year too... We hate to see it

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Maybe I should've revealed this information after it got that no. 1 or something.

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I mean, maybe it should win after all since it sounds good, I'm sorry to say. I would like to imagine they spent time editing and refining the sound after it was generated, like they would with any other song, but I don't know. It still seems phony to me, but maybe I'm just being an old geezer about new technology.

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Obviously AI sucks, but I simply have to laugh at her so vehemently not wanting to go into the booth that she hired a team to make a computer sing the album for her rip

AI aside I find the Yumi song really boring. My moral compass lives to fight another day.

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https://www.musicradar.com/artists/its-like-recording-sounds-across-time-how-yumi-matsutoya-one-of-japans-biggest-ever-artists-used-ai-to-turn-back-the-clock-when-crafting-her-new-album

https://sakura.co/blog/yumi-matsutoyas-new-album-japanese-music-meets-ai-magic

Hmmm, I've been reading a few different articles about Yumi's album, and it sounds like she recorded new vocals but they altered them using AI to make her sound like her 1970s self, then combined that with her new vocals to create a "third voice." Seems more like they used the AI as a production tool instead of simply AI-generating some BS to sell.

I think I'll keep my original score, but if anyone wants to drag the song or argue why it's an unethical/inexcusable use of AI, I'm open to that.

7 minutes ago, Curaga said:

https://www.musicradar.com/artists/its-like-recording-sounds-across-time-how-yumi-matsutoya-one-of-japans-biggest-ever-artists-used-ai-to-turn-back-the-clock-when-crafting-her-new-album

https://sakura.co/blog/yumi-matsutoyas-new-album-japanese-music-meets-ai-magic

Hmmm, I've been reading a few different articles about Yumi's album, and it sounds like she recorded new vocals but they altered them using AI to make her sound like her 1970s self, then combined that with her new vocals to create a "third voice." Seems more like they used the AI as a production tool instead of simply AI-generating some BS to sell.

I think I'll keep my original score, but if anyone wants to drag the song or argue why it's an unethical/inexcusable use of AI, I'm open to that.

I'm not sure if she actually recorded the vocals, it sounded more like that app was trained on her discography, so they combined something she recorded recently with her debut stuff. The Japanese articles I read also had her express disappointment with the fact that AI produced gibberish when it comee to lyrics/melodies, so she had to do those herself, and the production still involved real musicians, but she feels open to using AI for everything... once the technology is advanced enough. So yeah, her use of AI is probably the most ethical out there, though it's up to people to decide where they draw the line.

31 minutes ago, Suilen said:

I'm not sure if she actually recorded the vocals, it sounded more like that app was trained on her discography, so they combined something she recorded recently with her debut stuff. The Japanese articles I read also had her express disappointment with the fact that AI produced gibberish when it comee to lyrics/melodies, so she had to do those herself, and the production still involved real musicians, but she feels open to using AI for everything... once the technology is advanced enough. So yeah, her use of AI is probably the most ethical out there, though it's up to people to decide where they draw the line.

It's hard to draw a line without being there in the studio, of course doc My gut reaction is to pan and say it's automatically trash because of AI use, but is that really fair to the real musicians who spent time working on it to make it what they wanted instead of taking whatever the app generated as face value? I guess that's the thing: why not simply put that energy into making something real? clown

Thanks for your input heart Hope you won't mind if I update my ballot...

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