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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but is rural America not on a general decline? When we see the shutting down of rural hospitals, the stripping of safety nets on fed/state/local levels, and increasing flight from these rural areas, what is the goal here? It's alarming either way, don't get me wrong. My worry is the danger that comes from militarizing pockets of the country, and turning rural America into enclaves of violence that can and likely will resort to applying pressure on local and state authority by means of force. They want a white ethno-state so bad, even at the cost of their own freedom and dignity, it's maddening. Mr. Antichrist will probably open up that checkbook, insane how these people can turn the dial on a country in just a few decades.

The Dem establishment has more smoke and fire going for their hatred of Hasan versus having a backbone against this regime and actually being an opposition party. One bird two wings in full view. The establishment on both sides are corporate slimes who feel threatened when you challenge the status quo, and I won't be surprised when they continue their Hasan hate party post midterm. I'm so happy Angie cleared, but upsetting that Larkin lost to that DINO Moskowitz, also not all that surprised with Debbie. I hope Debbie loses the midterms out of spite, idc, she has been a thorn in politics.

I'm interested!

FB is that side of internet that is riddled with Boomers & Bots just shouting into the void about nothing. They should be more worried about losing SSI & Medicare, not an imaginary bogeyman that R pull out every election.

The audience they were pandering to have short attention spans and were largely being egged on by bot farms. I really do suspect this economy and the ongoing conflicts have forced the network propping up so many of those right-wing influencers to shift their focus elsewhere plus Maga is dying with the fuhrer. If you're not a Tucker Carlson or Candace Owen type, it really gives Fox News/CNN type reporter shouting into the void.

I still live for Aretha, a diva that was 1 of 1!

What's been going on with people getting sepsis lately? I think I remember Billy Porter saying he almost died from sepsis not too long ago. I have a feeling that Perez losing custody of his kids and alleged financial issues might have contributed to his declining health, would not be surprised if a combination of these things triggered psychosis. He's still a person with a family so I hope he can recover.

Anyone has tea on the Florida girlies? Istg it's like the shadow realm of politics where every corporate Dem is Republican lite. Moskowitz is literally a DOGE bro who worked for Desantis, rooting for Larkin even though not my district. It's deeply upsetting when someone like Debbie Schultz is still allowed to participate in politics and I wonder if Obama ever thinks about how making her the chair of the DNC has had downstream effects since. While she's no longer chair of the DNC, she's now running in a historically Black district and I hope she LOSES! I'm rooting for Manley even though polling has been limited and I can see them weaponizing him being gay to drive down turnout.

Her response is so Sydney Sweeney coded, but I don't think she's in the wrong on account of 1. She's not American 2. Probably spends less 1/4 of her time in the US 3. Probably has no idea what's happening in the world. If you're on a set for damn near 16 hours a day, the last thing you'll be stressing out about is what's happening in US politics. Like someone said, we've got to stop expecting celebrities to care about what's happening in the world, especially when it's outside of their immediate orbit. Is it nice when they speak up? Sometimes. Should they be compelled to give their two cents on world events? No.

Does it make you a bad person? No, but uh do what makes you happy boo. They can tell you what to like and not like, but you do you. Just don't let the Carbs find out, they will jump you in broad daylight if given the chance.

Open secret, it's well known and documented that Naomi is a Madame and powerbroker. Her proximity to men like D1ddler, Orange, & Jeff only came to be for the party favors and models she'd supply powerful men with, in addition to her connections. If you want to drive yourself mad, go through the Epstein docs yourself. They say it's like 3 million docs, but most are just error docs so it gets easier scanning through them with practice.

I think it'd be easier finding a popstar who doesn't exploit their fanbase?

I'm struggling through season 2 and it's more or less the same, but they said it get's much better in later seasons. The characters are def unlikable, like I really can't find any of them redeemable

Oh my God, haha, so funny, so original. Epstein had victims as young as 9, with possible BODIES on his ranch. Can't imagine they'll find bodies on Neverland Ranch, do you?

Thank you for your honesty and I'm one of those people who once believed MJ was a pedo too, but now I do think he's just a weirdo who wasn't helped by his fame, but I'll never claim he's 100% innocent or 100% guilty. Also his music aged like milk so people calling me a fan make me giggle. People forget it's not like he got to be a normal child and underwent horrific abuse at the hands of his father and TRIGGER WARNING . His father was a documented abusive POS and may have sexually abused some of his kids, I think Rebbie admitted this. Doesn't mean that MJ is entirely innocent of the crimes he's being accused of, but anyone who knows how they (media & government) can kill you in life and death, knows that they can also destroy someone's legacy and still turn them into caricatures after death in order to profit. They did this with Billie Holiday letting her die out & handing her masters to an abusive man until they got their hands on it, they did this to MLK, killing him, admitting to it and apologizing to the family, and still never really discuss this part of his story, but hey he has a holiday... So when it comes to someone like MJ, so publicized and couldn't go anywhere without being seen, how is it that hundreds of victims or people that worked for him have not been able to corroborate these things? Why did the FBI get involved and tried coaching the alleged victims? So many questions and the ones that have any documentation to corroborate any of these accusations, are currently behind the sloppiest coverup in modern history. If MJ is this prolific pedo, I say good riddance to his legacy, but can we not ignore the power players in the music industry? Tommy's repeated insistence on being so gung-ho with Epstein reads more than just associates. In the treasure troves you've got Tommy asking for helicopter recommendations, people to transfer his Bentley lease to, discussing family problems, and visits to Epstein's island.

Yeah I know how it sounds. People can call me out and say MJ was a predator, they're entitled to their beliefs. I'm more focused on seeing the truth uncovered. The survivors are living and breathing, & they're not being heard. I only brought MJ into the mix to demonstrate how every accusation from power players is a projection. This is bigger than Watergate, so if y'all want to point and laugh that's cool. I want to learn as much as I can so we can one day speak truth to the horrors that people endured in the music industry.

Thank you for your two cents. I'm posting actual receipts in my original post, Tommy Mottola mentioned over 600+ times in the Epstein files, but tell me more about my conspiracy theories, please.

Love that for you, your words, not mine. Have the day you deserve sweetie!

Sure thing Jan. Anyways, Tommy Mottola is mentioned 600 times in the Epstein Files.

I was mentioning I mentioned Latoya's ex-husband who was Jewish and I spoke on his hatred for MJ because of the things he said about Palestine, going as far to get Latoya to speak ill of her brother with accusations. She'd come out years later and make this known. I did not call Latoya's husband a Zionist, I called him Jewish because that's what he is, his connection to Zionism is unknown. I know the difference between everyday Jewish people and the likes of Lyor Cohen, Clive Davis, & Lucian Grainge who are all Zionists and supporters of the IDF...

That Tommy Mottola is in the Epstein files, like many music execs, but that they also played a part in MJ's demise because that's how these people operated...in the open. Yet somehow y'all want to paint everything as a conspiracy until it isn't...

Unfortunately when you have people like Oprah who was well known friends with the likes of Harvey Weinstein & many other abusers, it's no surprise that they can spin a documentary as truth. No one ever really listens to the survivors, and one of them was Corey Feldman, who has seen these monsters up close and personal & even alluded to the fact that 4 FBI agents tried to coach him and push him to say certain things about MJ. Of course they knew what MJ's dick looked liked, he slept with woman and didn't make a secret about calling out woman he found attractive, including Diana Ross. When you understand how many masters MJ owned, like the Beatles for christsake, you start to understand why they needed him gone, you start to understand why the 2008 Universal Studios fires happened, MJ owned some of those lost masters too. After MJ's death, that same FBI went into his house and took things from gifts to postcards, and I'm not saying MJ wasn't strange, but I find it troubling that people believe the same agency that has been known to kill and slander folks...even in death. Again, I hate how no one is even talking about someone that has done far worse, Tommy Mottola, and they're trying to bury his crimes in a coverup.

Let me be clear, I am not conflating Jewish people with Zionists, but it does take a certain kind of person to thrive in the upper echelons of the music industry, and that just so happens to be Zionists. I'm not trying to paint this idea they control everything, I'm talking specifically about the Music Industry and how coming out in favor of Palestine is a death sentence.

Be so fr I'm not going to do this back and forth with you. You said what you needed to say, now what are you adding to this discussion? Stop derailing this thread with BS, I don't mind people speaking their peace or piss, you can all say the same **** over and over because I thought the same as well for a very long time, but at least be original. It takes a certain person to look at the media and see how it's been used to protect the Epstein-class who are majority white, while continuously applying pressure to the legacy of Black artists & anyone that dared to speak out against the industry, the same industry that Epstein has his prints all over.

Let's not forget his former Brother-in-law, that abusive man who was married to Latoya that absolutely hated MJ's guts, guess what? That businessman who was married to Latoya was Jewish. Need I say more? Every accusation against MJ was a projection by the industry itself.