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Her response is so Sydney Sweeney coded, but I don't think she's in the wrong on account of 1. She's not American 2. Probably spends less 1/4 of her time in the US 3. Probably has no idea what's happening in the world. If you're on a set for damn near 16 hours a day, the last thing you'll be stressing out about is what's happening in US politics. Like someone said, we've got to stop expecting celebrities to care about what's happening in the world, especially when it's outside of their immediate orbit. Is it nice when they speak up? Sometimes. Should they be compelled to give their two cents on world events? No.

Does it make you a bad person? No, but uh do what makes you happy boo. They can tell you what to like and not like, but you do you. Just don't let the Carbs find out, they will jump you in broad daylight if given the chance.

Open secret, it's well known and documented that Naomi is a Madame and powerbroker. Her proximity to men like D1ddler, Orange, & Jeff only came to be for the party favors and models she'd supply powerful men with, in addition to her connections. If you want to drive yourself mad, go through the Epstein docs yourself. They say it's like 3 million docs, but most are just error docs so it gets easier scanning through them with practice.

I think it'd be easier finding a popstar who doesn't exploit their fanbase?

I'm struggling through season 2 and it's more or less the same, but they said it get's much better in later seasons. The characters are def unlikable, like I really can't find any of them redeemable

Oh my God, haha, so funny, so original. Epstein had victims as young as 9, with possible BODIES on his ranch. Can't imagine they'll find bodies on Neverland Ranch, do you?

Thank you for your honesty and I'm one of those people who once believed MJ was a pedo too, but now I do think he's just a weirdo who wasn't helped by his fame, but I'll never claim he's 100% innocent or 100% guilty. Also his music aged like milk so people calling me a fan make me giggle. People forget it's not like he got to be a normal child and underwent horrific abuse at the hands of his father and TRIGGER WARNING . His father was a documented abusive POS and may have sexually abused some of his kids, I think Rebbie admitted this. Doesn't mean that MJ is entirely innocent of the crimes he's being accused of, but anyone who knows how they (media & government) can kill you in life and death, knows that they can also destroy someone's legacy and still turn them into caricatures after death in order to profit. They did this with Billie Holiday letting her die out & handing her masters to an abusive man until they got their hands on it, they did this to MLK, killing him, admitting to it and apologizing to the family, and still never really discuss this part of his story, but hey he has a holiday... So when it comes to someone like MJ, so publicized and couldn't go anywhere without being seen, how is it that hundreds of victims or people that worked for him have not been able to corroborate these things? Why did the FBI get involved and tried coaching the alleged victims? So many questions and the ones that have any documentation to corroborate any of these accusations, are currently behind the sloppiest coverup in modern history. If MJ is this prolific pedo, I say good riddance to his legacy, but can we not ignore the power players in the music industry? Tommy's repeated insistence on being so gung-ho with Epstein reads more than just associates. In the treasure troves you've got Tommy asking for helicopter recommendations, people to transfer his Bentley lease to, discussing family problems, and visits to Epstein's island.

Yeah I know how it sounds. People can call me out and say MJ was a predator, they're entitled to their beliefs. I'm more focused on seeing the truth uncovered. The survivors are living and breathing, & they're not being heard. I only brought MJ into the mix to demonstrate how every accusation from power players is a projection. This is bigger than Watergate, so if y'all want to point and laugh that's cool. I want to learn as much as I can so we can one day speak truth to the horrors that people endured in the music industry.

Thank you for your two cents. I'm posting actual receipts in my original post, Tommy Mottola mentioned over 600+ times in the Epstein files, but tell me more about my conspiracy theories, please.

Love that for you, your words, not mine. Have the day you deserve sweetie!

Sure thing Jan. Anyways, Tommy Mottola is mentioned 600 times in the Epstein Files.

I was mentioning I mentioned Latoya's ex-husband who was Jewish and I spoke on his hatred for MJ because of the things he said about Palestine, going as far to get Latoya to speak ill of her brother with accusations. She'd come out years later and make this known. I did not call Latoya's husband a Zionist, I called him Jewish because that's what he is, his connection to Zionism is unknown. I know the difference between everyday Jewish people and the likes of Lyor Cohen, Clive Davis, & Lucian Grainge who are all Zionists and supporters of the IDF...

That Tommy Mottola is in the Epstein files, like many music execs, but that they also played a part in MJ's demise because that's how these people operated...in the open. Yet somehow y'all want to paint everything as a conspiracy until it isn't...

Unfortunately when you have people like Oprah who was well known friends with the likes of Harvey Weinstein & many other abusers, it's no surprise that they can spin a documentary as truth. No one ever really listens to the survivors, and one of them was Corey Feldman, who has seen these monsters up close and personal & even alluded to the fact that 4 FBI agents tried to coach him and push him to say certain things about MJ. Of course they knew what MJ's dick looked liked, he slept with woman and didn't make a secret about calling out woman he found attractive, including Diana Ross. When you understand how many masters MJ owned, like the Beatles for christsake, you start to understand why they needed him gone, you start to understand why the 2008 Universal Studios fires happened, MJ owned some of those lost masters too. After MJ's death, that same FBI went into his house and took things from gifts to postcards, and I'm not saying MJ wasn't strange, but I find it troubling that people believe the same agency that has been known to kill and slander folks...even in death. Again, I hate how no one is even talking about someone that has done far worse, Tommy Mottola, and they're trying to bury his crimes in a coverup.

Let me be clear, I am not conflating Jewish people with Zionists, but it does take a certain kind of person to thrive in the upper echelons of the music industry, and that just so happens to be Zionists. I'm not trying to paint this idea they control everything, I'm talking specifically about the Music Industry and how coming out in favor of Palestine is a death sentence.

Be so fr I'm not going to do this back and forth with you. You said what you needed to say, now what are you adding to this discussion? Stop derailing this thread with BS, I don't mind people speaking their peace or piss, you can all say the same **** over and over because I thought the same as well for a very long time, but at least be original. It takes a certain person to look at the media and see how it's been used to protect the Epstein-class who are majority white, while continuously applying pressure to the legacy of Black artists & anyone that dared to speak out against the industry, the same industry that Epstein has his prints all over.

Let's not forget his former Brother-in-law, that abusive man who was married to Latoya that absolutely hated MJ's guts, guess what? That businessman who was married to Latoya was Jewish. Need I say more? Every accusation against MJ was a projection by the industry itself.

And that's totally fine. I'm not here to change people's minds on MJ, what I'm stating is that everyone likes to point the finger at MJ, but no one stopped to ask who these people were that were pointing fingers at him and why. Now that the Epstein files are being released, I really need people to put on their thinking caps.

You don't care, but I do. The FBI and the industry has a known history of destroying the legacy of artists like MJ and Billie Holiday, but y'all aren't ready for that conversation because you already bought a narrative. Now they exploit his life even in death with a movie no one asked for.

MJ is not in the Epstein file nor did he ever visit that island. But if you're talking about Tommy, I agree.

Also my good sis did a lot of the research in this video as well, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyKdWK9XWkQ&t=1184s

Tommy Mottola mentioned over 600+ times in Epstein-FIles As more and more of the Epstein is uncovered, I believe that many executives in the music industry, current and former execs, will find their names listed in the Epstein files. An interesting one, Tommy Mottola. On the DOJ's website you'll find very few documents on him, and the ones we do find, unsurprisingly are redacted. If you go to official sources that managed to backup copies of the Epstein emails, you'll find a small treasure trove of communication between Epstein and Tommy that goes as far back as 2009 up until 2017, just a few years before Epstein's murder-suicide, links below. Knowing what we do about Tommy and how horrible he was to Mariah and many of his artists, how is that people still come to the conclusion that Michael was this monster when he was 1. A victim in a sick industry that exploited him 2. Repeatedly put himself in harms way by speaking up for Palestine (majority of the music industry is...let's not be dense here please, this isn't anti-semitism, this is a known fact, take a look at the top execs current and past & tell me I'm lying) 3. Created Neverland as a public statement and if anyone knows anything about MJ, is that he loved easter eggs and things hidden in plain-sight. 4. Defended many child-stars, most likely protecting them from the very same monsters who painted him as such, with Corey Feldman & Macaulay Culkin coming to his defense (2 child stars who experienced horrible things, there was a second Corey Haim, who died, recommend watching Open Secret. All this to say MJ should've still been here with us, but because he owned so many valuable masters and was unwilling to play by the Industry's rules, they destroyed in public view. MJ isn't R.Kelly when so many of Kellz crimes are corroborated by victims and video, while MJ's is literally all hearsay and things since fabricated by the FBI. The people who came out against MJ today are saying what we've always said, their parents coached them into saying these horrible things because MJ was that valuable. They knew his comeback would've made him so much money & give him more power, so they paid that Quack Doctor to kill him. Most of these crusty white old execs in the music industry seem to live very long lives, money does provide access to the best care. Yet, their talents who amass billions of dollars for them, don't seem to truly enjoy the fruits of their labor. MJ never wanted to sell his masters, but today, his masters are being sold for parts to the very same people who killed him. MJ in his own words: "The recording companies really, really do conspire against the artists," Jackson said. "They steal, they cheat, they do everything they can, especially [against] the black artists. ... People from James Brown to Sammy Davis Jr., some of the real pioneers that inspired me to be an entertainer, these artists are always on tour, because if they stop touring, they would go hungry. If you fight for me, you're fighting for all black people, dead and alive." But Jackson may have taken a wrong turn when he turned the fight for him into a fight against Mottola. Claiming that Mottola had used the "N-word" to refer to an unidentified black Sony artist, Jackson singled out the company chairman for being "mean ... a racist ... and very, very, very devilish." Tommy Mottola, the same man who emailed Epstein about a massage room and bulletproof glass, you can only hide the truth for so long, where there is darkness, there will always be a light. S/N: Can one of the gays take one for the team and convince that messy bottom Lindsey Graham to leak all Epstein emails related to the music industry? Something tells me some of our victims are for sure artists themselves, but I'm not calling for their trauma to be re-opened, I'm asking for the names of the men responsible and those who knew. Y'all can probably convince him by lobbying to give him concert tickets to see Beyonce or a Rupaul Drag Race taping. https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00883304.pdf https://journaliststudio.google.com/pinpoint/search?collection=c109fa8e7dcf42c1&utm_source=collection_share_link Tommy emails Jeff about the allegations: https://postimg.cc/p5JtDH1B Jeff Emails Tommy about EMI Bankruptcy?: https://postimg.cc/4YtjtZ7f Epstein asking Tommy for Enrique Iglesias Phone Number: https://postimg.cc/Hjy0TLfb Epstein & Tommy Mottola meets some biotech guy named Wayne Holman at Epstein's house. Holman's company developed a COVID-19 pill: https://postimg.cc/9zm4nQCK Tommy & Epstein were planning something major, a 5 year timeline from 2017? No clue what that's about, but found interesting : https://postimg.cc/D46p5yQr Sources: https://epsteinify.com/?q=tommy+mottola Epstein says to use Tommy's people for a heli trip to Islip, NY? Did Jeff have a house here and why did he need Tommy's people?: https://postimg.cc/Z0WLMHbS Tommy checking on Epstein to see if he's still alive: https://postimg.cc/gn82cxqba Tommy mentions Canolis in the US? We know they used pizza, cheese, and grape emojis as codewords so while this might be a nothingburger, I'll need to do more research: https://postimg.cc/dDmJgbJb Jane Doe says they met MJ when they were 12 but never gave him a massage: https://postimg.cc/WdrQBrVP Someone sends an email to Epstein joking about MJ's death, but a name is redacted: https://postimg.cc/WdrQBrVP John Doe states that around time MJ died, Epstein, Stephen Hawking, & Russian Liasons were seen at a club "[redacted] was near tears and stated it wasn't just girls that were affected by Epstein": https://postimg.cc/mz5S8XtQ Unrelated to Tommy, but mentions of Geffen and continues with the MJ jokes but mentions of fainting?: https://postimg.cc/YGKn12yY Related to above in reference to fainting and MJ: https://postimg.cc/CR8bbCyZ

We can't even outlaw these sick fucks because there's so much money in politics itself. Start with Citizens United and then go for private-prisons.

Would not surprise me if this were a thing, I'm sure there's a reseller there for good measures.

Nostalgia sells, this can go well if they have the right team and right looks.