Bonjourtristesse Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, JoanneActII said: reveluvs: newjeans aesthetic is similar to red velvet at times because of mhj you for some reason: stop dragging newjeans *drags red velvet for not having writing credits* My initial reply was literally pointing out the differences between the two groups? Then it became "if NJ has writing credits it must be mediaplay'? And then somehow this mediaplay is specifically applied to NJ because the other group's members are experienced 20 year olds full of life's wisdom?
dlwlrma Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 33 minutes ago, Bonjourtristesse said: See the posts above. i don't get why you are so offended I mean ok let's say they wrote some verses and is not just mediaplay but look what YOU said "'It's really easy to see how creative input leads to better quality. '" did you really think as 3rd and 4th in the credits they are doing that, and its the biggest difference between them and RV? HeeJin herself said the songs are there years ago its all planned if the girls are part of the lyrics they are just doing small changes Great! Most of female idols can't do that, principally rookies but these small interferences are nothing in the real scale, like leading them to "better quality" when this was all already decided when they are just trainees I'm not triggered, I just disagree about this specific subject I was defending NJ before you post that but whatever
dlwlrma Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, Gaia said: Can IU comeback or SOMEONE? It's insufferable how slow the charts are Dec-March she is not enough I miss 2017-2018 new hits every week it was so fun follow the charts back then much better see groups we like being blocked by Paul Kim and Bol4 than see the same top 10 in the entire quarter
Bonjourtristesse Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, dlwlrma said: i don't get why you are so offended I mean ok let's say they wrote some verses and is not just mediaplay but look what YOU said "'It's really easy to see how creative input leads to better quality. '" did you really think as 3rd and 4th in the credits they are doing that, and its the biggest difference between them and RV? HeeJin herself said the songs are there years ago its all planned if the girls are part of the lyrics they are just doing small changes Great! Most of female idols can't do that, principally rookies but these small interferences are nothing in the real scale, like leading them to "better quality" when this was all already decided when they are just trainees I'm not triggered, I just disagree about this specific subject I was defending NJ before you post that but whatever This is fair. I just think NJ is making great music and I'm happy they have a hand writing the songs. Their sensibilities are clearly aligned with MHJ's, and maybe that's why they picked them, but it's obvious NJ genuinely likes their music and wants to contribute creatively. That's much better than just accepting old demo tracks that sounds dated, or breaking down crying because they don't want to sing about plant trees. I don't know how this is a controversial statement. If one day they are forced to do industry noise dubstep or whatever cringy trendy kpop sound is atm, I would unstan in a heartbeat but it looks like they have no intentions of doing that which is what I like and why I think they stand out. If everyone in this thread believes Kpop idols are that replaceable and void of any genuine personalities and agencies, I don't understand what's the point of staning anyone. Edited March 5, 2023 by Bonjourtristesse
Pluto6 Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 22 minutes ago, elevate said: SKZ produce and write basically everything themselves, specifically the 3Racha subunit. Anyway, here's a gif of Hyunjin. Hyunjin is actually the member after 3Racha to have the most credits in their songs We love Hyunjin for helping creating these sexy and sensual bops
JoanneActII Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, Bonjourtristesse said: This is fair. I just think NJ is making great music and I'm happy they have a hand writing the songs. Their sensibilities are clearly aligned with MHJ's, and maybe that's why they picked them, but it's obvious NJ genuinely likes their music and wants to contribute creatively. That's much better than just accepting old demo tracks that sounds dated, or breaking down crying because they don't want to sing about plant trees. I don't know how this is a controversial statement. If one day they are forced to do industry noise dubstep or whatever cringy trendy kpop sound is atm, I would unstan in a heartbeat but it looks like they have no intentions of doing that which is what I like and why I think they stand out. If everyone in this thread believes Kpop idols are that replaceable and void of any genuine personalities and agencies, I don't understand what's the point of staning anyone. you are using newjeans minor contributions to their songwriting to drag other groups (and literally continue to do it in this reply ffs) and claim it's one of the main reasons why newjeans is successful, which is a massive reach. thats not controversial, it's delusional. and literally nobody here is saying kpop idols are "replaceable and void of genuine personalities and agencies" that's another one of your deranged delusional conclusions you keep coming to because you genuinely thought newjeans and bts were the only groups with writing credits in their music as if thats the only way to show personality and agency in the kpop industry. as i said before, girl give it up. it's getting very tedious. there's nothing wrong with liking newjeans, the majority of the the people in this thread do ffs, but dragging other groups to hype up newjeans is getting very annoying.
Bonjourtristesse Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JoanneActII said: you are using newjeans minor contributions to their songwriting to drag other groups (and literally continue to do it in this reply ffs) and claim it's one of the main reasons why newjeans is successful, which is a massive reach. thats not controversial, it's delusional. and literally nobody here is saying kpop idols are "replaceable and void of genuine personalities and agencies" that's another one of your deranged delusional conclusions you keep coming to because you genuinely thought newjeans and bts were the only groups with writing credits in their music as if thats the only way to show personality and agency in the kpop industry. as i said before, girl give it up. it's getting very tedious. there's nothing wrong with liking newjeans, the majority of the the people in this thread do ffs, but dragging other groups to hype up newjeans is getting very annoying. Why you keep telling me to "give it up" then keeps replying me, when I didn't even quote you? You are free to move on and talk about literally anything else I'm just expressing my personal opinion. Saying a song sounds dated is far from the harshest things this thread has said. People are literally calling all kinds of idols ugly or has-been, but I'm out of the line for saying a song is bad? Don't you think calling me deranged or delusional is much more insulting that calling RV's songs dated demos? Please stop.I already told you I'm happy for other idols who are writing and producing. I never belittled any of them or called them mediaplay. Edited March 5, 2023 by Bonjourtristesse
Save-Me-Oprah Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said: Hyunjin is actually the member after 3Racha to have the most credits in their songs We love Hyunjin for helping creating these sexy and sensual bops I think he and Felix actually have the same number of writing credits
Save-Me-Oprah Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bonjourtristesse said: Why you keep telling me to "give it up" then keeps replying me, when I didn't even quote you? You are free to move on and talk about literally anything else I'm just expressing my personal opinion. Saying a song sounds dated is far from the harshest things this thread has said. People are literally calling all kinds of idols ugly or has-been, but I'm out of the line for saying a song is bad? Don't you think calling me deranged or delusional is much more insulting that calling RV's songs dated demos? Please stop.I already told you I'm happy for other idols who are writing and producing. I never belittled any of them or called them mediaplay.
Marianah Adkins Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 23 minutes ago, Bonjourtristesse said: This is fair. I just think NJ is making great music and I'm happy they have a hand writing the songs. Their sensibilities are clearly aligned with MHJ's, and maybe that's why they picked them, but it's obvious NJ genuinely likes their music and wants to contribute creatively. That's much better than just accepting old demo tracks that sounds dated, or breaking down crying because they don't want to sing about plant trees. I don't know how this is a controversial statement. If one day they are forced to do industry noise dubstep or whatever cringy trendy kpop sound is atm, I would unstan in a heartbeat but it looks like they have no intentions of doing that which is what I like and why I think they stand out. If everyone in this thread believes Kpop idols are that replaceable and void of any genuine personalities and agencies, I don't understand what's the point of staning anyone. Girl ppl can stan who they want, regardless of their creative and artistic contributions. If ppl can stan talentless girls who cant sing, dance or write in Western pop, then ppl can the same in Korean pop. It is what it is. Besides, Kpop’s biggest selling point has never been “artistic or creative control”. Its just an added plus but if the music is still **** or not to your liking regardless, then what’s the point of stanning then even if its written by them. Its just funny how you parade Newjeans as some “creative geniuses” when they are probably contributing the same level as SM acts or Twice and its not like thats whats selling Newjeans. Ppl like Newjeans for the music, the sound, the image thanks to MHJ. I doubt anyone is really into Newjeans because Hanni wrote a verse or something.
JoanneActII Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 Just now, Marianah Adkins said: Girl ppl can stan who they want, regardless of their creative and artistic contributions. If ppl can stan talentless girls who cant sing, dance or write in Western pop, then ppl can the same in Korean pop. It is what it is. Besides, Kpop’s biggest selling point has never been “artistic or creative control”. Its just an added plus but if the music is still **** or not to your liking regardless, then what’s the point of stanning then even if its written by them. Its just funny how you parade Newjeans as some “creative geniuses” when they are probably contributing the same level as SM acts or Twice and its not like thats whats selling Newjeans. Ppl like Newjeans for the music, the sound, the image thanks to MHJ. I doubt anyone is really into Newjeans because Hanni wrote a verse or something. exactly
JoanneActII Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, Bonjourtristesse said: Why you keep telling me to "give it up" then keeps replying me, when I didn't even quote you? You are free to move on and talk about literally anything else I'm just expressing my personal opinion. Saying a song sounds dated is far from the harshest things this thread has said. People are literally calling all kinds of idols ugly or has-been, but I'm out of the line for saying a song is bad? Don't you think calling me deranged or delusional is much more insulting that calling RV's songs dated demos? Please stop. you keep acting like what newjeans does is oh so unique when countless other groups having songwriting credits, enjoy their music and contribute way more to the creation of their music. that is deranged and delusional, and if you think thats some horrible insult then stop acting deranged and delusional. literally nobody is saying you cant express your opinion, the issue is you are acting like your personal opinions are facts.
Save-Me-Oprah Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 Even TXT, arguably one of the most formulaic groups, has writing credits on several many of their songs
Bonjourtristesse Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said: Girl ppl can stan who they want, regardless of their creative and artistic contributions. If ppl can stan talentless girls who cant sing, dance or write in Western pop, then ppl can the same in Korean pop. It is what it is. Besides, Kpop’s biggest selling point has never been “artistic or creative control”. Its just an added plus but if the music is still **** or not to your liking regardless, then what’s the point of stanning then even if its written by them. Its just funny how you parade Newjeans as some “creative geniuses” when they are probably contributing the same level as SM acts or Twice and its not like thats whats selling Newjeans. Ppl like Newjeans for the music, the sound, the image thanks to MHJ. I doubt anyone is really into Newjeans because Hanni wrote a verse or something. If only it were that easy RV and f(x) would have blown up years ago when MHJ was still at SM. I genuinely don't understand you can treat artists like nothing but puppets then stan them at the same time but you do you. Keep praying the companies don't feed your favs trash I guess, because it's literally all there is to Kpop isn't it.
Bonjourtristesse Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, JoanneActII said: you keep acting like what newjeans does is oh so unique when countless other groups having songwriting credits, enjoy their music and contribute way more to the creation of their music. that is deranged and delusional, and if you think thats some horrible insult then stop acting deranged and delusional. literally nobody is saying you cant express your opinion, the issue is you are acting like your personal opinions are facts. Great! Hopefully one day they can write a hit! Especially the BGs. Edited March 5, 2023 by Bonjourtristesse
Marianah Adkins Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Bonjourtristesse said: If only it were that easy RV and f(x) would have blown up years ago when MHJ was still at SM. I genuinely don't understand you can treat artists like nothing but puppets then stan them at the same time but you do you. Keep praying the companies don't feed your favs trash I guess, because it's literally all there is to Kpop isn't it. And you think NWJ’s “creative genius” is what selling them and not the fact that they are from a Big 4 Company pushing them to the forefront with the most accessible and trendy image rn? You mentioned f(x) and RV which do not have that accessible and trendy image that NWJs has. Lol no one is undermining Kpop acts’s abilitiy to create their own songs bec they can which is impressive considering how autocratic the Kpop system is but for you to shade other groups like acting as if NWJs was some Bob Dylan **** is ridiculous and pathetic. If their contributions is nothing more than changing a verse then no difference with other Kpop groups who do the same lmao.
Marianah Adkins Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 Like go believe your own hype and praise them. Nothing wrong with that. But dont come in here acting innocent when someone calls you out for it esp if your shading other groups who may have had more contributions than them
Bonjourtristesse Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 Just now, Marianah Adkins said: And you think NWJ’s “creative genius” is what selling them and not the fact that they are from a Big 4 Company pushing them to the forefront with the most accessible and trendy image rn? You mentioned f(x) and RV which do not have that accessible and trendy image that NWJs has. Lol no one is undermining Kpop acts’s abilitiy to create their own songs bec they can which is impressive considering how autocratic the Kpop system is but for you to shade other groups like acting as if NWJs was some Bob Dylan **** is ridiculous and pathetic. If their contributions is nothing more than changing a verse then no difference with other Kpop groups who do the same lmao. I literally never said any of these. Also if NJ's songs are planned years ahead, then how come they are also the "most accessible and trendy image rn"? Queen MHJ can predict the future I guess. At least pick a narrative. Also if MHJ knows what's trendy and accessible, why didn't she do it for fx or RV? She was secretly sabotaging them at SM? It just doesn't make sense
Bonjourtristesse Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 MHJ in SM in 2015: hmmm, 90s r&b is gonna be popular in 2022, so I have these tracks planned just in case I'm gonna jump to this nugu group BTS's company. In the same time, even though I know perfectly well what's accessible, I'm not gonna do that for fx and RV.
Eternium Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 But when do we find out if Helen is finally debuting in SMNGG? We’ve been waiting for 2 years now
Dialamba Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 Wbk the user is delusional when they started calling BTS are niche I knew something was wrong you literally replace anyone in NJ and I promise the group’s success will not change Last waltz has a competition
Gaia Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 1 hour ago, dlwlrma said: she is not enough I miss 2017-2018 new hits every week it was so fun follow the charts back then much better see groups we like being blocked by Paul Kim and Bol4 than see the same top 10 in the entire quarter Yeah tbh the korean charts are as boring as the Hot 100 now. Same songs in the Top 10 for 20+ weeks I miss the days when being in the Top 10 for 10 weeks was considered an achievement.
JoanneActII Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 39 minutes ago, Bonjourtristesse said: I literally never said any of these. Also if NJ's songs are planned years ahead, then how come they are also the "most accessible and trendy image rn"? Queen MHJ can predict the future I guess. At least pick a narrative. Also if MHJ knows what's trendy and accessible, why didn't she do it for fx or RV? She was secretly sabotaging them at SM? It just doesn't make sense min hee-jin herself literally said she had the songs for years. i'm fully convinced you're a troll at this point. min hee-jin was only the creative director for f(x) and red velvet's visuals, along with other sm groups. she had nothing to do with their music at all, which a simple google search would tell you. you keep saying all this delusional crap and then have the audacity to get mad when people call you out for it.
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