fan base Beyoncé

[abeille]

She's not doing ANYTHING below 200k. Stop underestimating her power. 4 did 310k with no top 20 hits at the time.

 

I agree that she needs to stop with the autotuned braggadocio though. Top Off is the single worst thing she's ever released. EIL also aged terribly.

[Devin]

6 minutes ago, Starshine said:

Career suicide if that were the case.  

 

No more surprise albums. Sound and genre will matter, no one wants to hear Freedom 3.0 and social justice themes. She needs to serve *****, sex, and titties out like it’s literally why she smashed for so long pre-Lemonade thanks to the gays and girls in the club. No more braggadocio rap singing, I’ve been sick to my stomach since Top Off. 

Given that she Black and married to Shawn its expected we finna get a Black Power track or a Jay collab on B7. 
 

Outside that def B7 needs to be more bop-focused.

[Starshine]

 

19 minutes ago, abeille said:

She's not doing ANYTHING below 200k. Stop underestimating her power. 4 did 310k with no top 20 hits at the time.

 

I agree that she needs to stop with the autotuned braggadocio though. Top Off is the single worst thing she's ever released. EIL also aged terribly.

I think it matched the time it released and Summer is one of my fave songs . Outside of that, she was really in her Drake bag and mumble singing. 

It's very weird because I tend to love everything Bey releases, but her side projects/collabs have mostly been a hit or miss for me. She truly saves the best for her studio albums.

[yonsé]

If Adele is doing 600K, Beyoncé isn’t doing more than that lol…especially if she doesn’t do ANY promo for the album other than the tour. I’m guessing 150-250k.
 

21 minutes ago, abeille said:

She's not doing ANYTHING below 200k. Stop underestimating her power. 4 did 310k with no top 20 hits at the time.

that was 2011. the music industry and the world views Beyoncé completely differently. The pressure is stacked and many more want to see her fail now than they did then. If the single doesn’t hit (see: Black Parade, Be Alive), along with Netflix’s dwindling subscriber base, there’s a possibility she can miss the mark commercially.
 

She really has a lot of pressure which I’m sure is why she’s taking her time. Im sure she wants it to be a critically acclaimed body but also easily consumed.

[abeille]

3 minutes ago, yonsé said:

If Adele is doing 600K, Beyoncé isn’t doing more than that lol…especially if she doesn’t do ANY promo for the album other than the tour. I’m guessing 150-250k.
 

that was 2011. the music industry and the world views Beyoncé completely differently. The pressure is stacked and many more want to see her fail now than they did then. If the single doesn’t hit (see: Black Parade, Be Alive), along with Netflix’s dwindling subscriber base, there’s a possibility she can miss the mark commercially.
 

She really has a lot of pressure which I’m sure is why she’s taking her time. Im sure she wants it to be a critically acclaimed body but also easily consumed.

But then you see all these male artists doing 300-400k without lifting a finger. Even Chromatica did 274k. She's obviously not gonna hit Lemonade/ST territory, but to assume her selling power has dwindled that much based on a couple side projects that had botched releases 'underperforming' (as in not doing proper studio album numbers) is ridiculous.

[Starshine]

15 minutes ago, abeille said:

But then you see all these male artists doing 300-400k without lifting a finger. Even Chromatica did 274k. She's obviously not gonna hit Lemonade/ST territory, but to assume her selling power has dwindled that much based on a couple side projects that had botched releases 'underperforming' (as in not doing proper studio album numbers) is ridiculous.

Male artists in general are bigger than female artists as a whole in the music industry. And Chromatica benefited like 40k from tour/merch bundles and gays buying multiple copies BTS army style. I don't think the Hive is like that anymore or even cares to, we just support her because we love the music. A lot has changed with massive streaming adoption since 2020 and less of an emphasis on physicals. Bey has a larger fanbase than Gaga, but Gaga's is more dedicated and will do anything to make her not look like she is flopping. Bey's image post-2016 is also much diff compared to 2013 where she was more a GP darling. Her music since Lemonade hasn't appealed to everyone and has been very niche given her musical/artistic direction has changed so much since the '10s decade. People don't check up for her new material, but they do for her earlier discography because it's music that is safer and made for everyone.

 

Her surprise factor has obviously dissipated and it won't make as much noise as Lemonade (which had major publicity from Jay Z's infidelity). The landscape is uncertain, but she'll do fine.

[smoothkarmel]

 

You guys have to look at this. Mann this video had made me soo emotional. None of her peers received this much love!

[abeille]

52 minutes ago, Starshine said:

Male artists in general are bigger than female artists as a whole in the music industry. And Chromatica benefited like 40k from tour/merch bundles and gays buying multiple copies BTS army style. I don't think the Hive is like that anymore or even cares to, we just support her because we love the music. A lot has changed with massive streaming adoption since 2020 and less of an emphasis on physicals. Bey has a larger fanbase than Gaga, but Gaga's is more dedicated and will do anything to make her not look like she is flopping. Bey's image post-2016 is also much diff compared to 2013 where she was more a GP darling. Her music since Lemonade hasn't appealed to everyone and has been very niche given her musical/artistic direction has changed so much since the '10s decade. People don't check up for her new material, but they do for her earlier discography because it's music that is safer and made for everyone.

 

Her surprise factor has obviously dissipated and it won't make as much noise as Lemonade (which had major publicity from Jay Z's infidelity). The landscape is uncertain, but she'll do fine.

Valid points, but I do think the Hive are underestimating her name power with these lukewarm predictions. Her sending Savage to #1 two years ago is a testament to that. The most important thing in the current music landscape is the impact, strategy, and reach. If she delivers high quality music that resonates with people does so in an innovative and unique way, we have nothing to worry about. And we all know she's a perfectionist with an unmatched work ethic. This is all assuming she plays her cards right of course, which she did with ST and Lemonade all things considered.

[BnPac]

3 hours ago, abeille said:

But then you see all these male artists doing 300-400k without lifting a finger. Even Chromatica did 274k. She's obviously not gonna hit Lemonade/ST territory, but to assume her selling power has dwindled that much based on a couple side projects that had botched releases 'underperforming' (as in not doing proper studio album numbers) is ridiculous.

Which male artists did so much without lifting fingers? Only Ye, I think but with massive controversy. Kendrick's predictions might not hold up and he's predicted to do "only" 325k.

Bad Bunny is doing less than 280k with all time record breaking numbers. Future did 230k while smashing AM... The only artists who are still pulling those numbers are Taylor, Drake and Adele. 

 

Chromatica had tour bundles and stan massive... buying both things are not possible anymore. Big debuts are fewer with streaming. 

There's also a big possibility that she's just going to have a botched released as her recent albums. 

 

Having 4's numbers now would be excellent but 4 was released when she was coming off her most popular Era, promoted and specifically promoted 1+1. The new B doesn't promote, hasn't released a solo album in 6 years and that album was polarizing, niche and wasn't available anywhere. 

 

I don't doubt B is still powerful but her numbers are a wild card, she could do as low as 100k or much much better depending on how accessible the music is, whether it's available everywhere or has a tour opt-in bundles... But yes, I also do hope she can do better. 

[benyonce]

9 hours ago, HausofArtpopII said:

Fr like kendrick doing these numbers im here wondering if B7 might actually do 1M first week... we gotta remember bey is still a POWERHOUSE when it comes to pure sales, that and the amount of streams that b7 could get... 

I don't think that is what Destiny was referring to when they said they were "scared".
 

 

Excuse my pessimism but I'd honestly be happy with her surpassing 150k. As others have said, her streaming power has diminished, pure sales aren't what they once were, her fanbase has equally diminished and we know she loves to sabotage and play by her own rules.

I few key things could push her into the 300k range which would be a massive achievement and todays equivalent of double that, aka Lemonade;
- The vinyls and how she plans to distribute them and if they are ready for first week (which is a contentious issue considering her fear of leaking). 

- If she chooses to have a full tracking week
- If she posts and uses her instagram to promote (what is the point of being one of the most followed users on the platform if she won't post about her work)?
- TikTok (put that damn account to use Bey, her first post on there in itself is enough to be a hot topic on the news cycle and generate hype, let alone new music)
- The content, collaborators and quality of work
- The Netflix deal and if that will come into play
The other obvious stuff that is a given with other major artist releases such as play listing, pushing a single and radio adds are no longer a definite for Bey and that sucks.

All this being said I do still believe in her streaming power, Be Alive surprised me, she does really well on Apple Music and despite her decline, her Spotify numbers remain respectable, though they could use a nice boost.

Anyway sorry about the long ass post, making up for not posting on here anymore! Either way, flop or not, I'm just excited for new content!

[BnPac]

3 hours ago, smoothkarmel said:

 

You guys have to look at this. Mann this video had made me soo emotional. None of her peers received this much love!

Thanks for posting. I didn't know she received a standing ovation at the CMAs. Nice. 

[BnPac]

1 hour ago, benyonce said:

All this being said I do still believe in her streaming power, Be Alive surprised me, she does really well on Apple Music and despite her decline, her Spotify numbers remain respectable, though they could use a nice boost.

In which way did BA surprise you? 

It's sure is by far her floppest release on streaming so far but in some recent threads I saw it outperformed Beautiful Ghosts by Taylor but somehow it only means the artist is a flop for B.

Also Spirit is outperforming the monster's fave 's new soundtrack *week by week although the latter has radio and is a bit promoted. And Spirit is considered this huge, career ending flop. 

I am not sure any of the girls would have sent an African inspired side project like The Gift to #2 tbh. 

 

Edit : *I meant day after day. 

Edited May 15, 2022 by BnPac

[benyonce]

4 minutes ago, BnPac said:

In which way did BA surprise you? 

It's sure is by far her floppest release on streaming so far but in some recent threads I saw it outperformed Beautiful Ghosts by Taylor but somehow it only means the artist is a flop for B.

Also Spirit is outperforming the monster's fave 's new soundtrack week by week although the latter has radio and is a bit promoted. And Spirit is considered this huge, career ending flop. 

I am not sure any of the girls would have sent an African inspired side project like The Gift to #2 tbh. 

Youtube numbers. Not because it was some massive success, but because of YouTube's dwindling viewership and the fact that it is double any of the other "performances" from that night. It was top 10 on trending for a full week here in Aus. Not that this means much.

The gift, considering the botched release, poor identity management (the album name) and lack of acknowledgement did quite well. Homecoming is a phenomenal success but the other bases aren't ready for that discussion. EiL on the other hand is a flop through and through. Bet the dinner table discussions were quite interesting the night after that release 

[BnPac]

10 minutes ago, benyonce said:

Youtube numbers. Not because it was some massive success, but because of YouTube's dwindling viewership and the fact that it is double any of the other "performances" from that night. It was top 10 on trending for a full week here in Aus. Not that this means much.

Yes, true. The performance was really loved. She managed to out view a newer artist who actually won the award. 

[jane]

Kendrick's numbers are NOT good. The guy used to do 1m first week and he did way less without physicals available. That's why the tour news came right after, that's where the profit will be coming from. Dont let any current artist fool you about making money with these mediocre streams. Not even one billion streams is enough to bring in good money, artists really just have touring left to make that money. We saw both Kendrick and Adele announce their tours quickly after release and i think Beyoncé will do something similar which is why she is not releasing until it can be closer to her touring prep i'm sure. By now she must be missing touring a little so it's good timing and it will be amazing when she puts everything together. I believe a strong single with a kick ass music video before releasing the album is all Beyoncé needs to do strong numbers. The tour will do the rest. I wish she would have some fun performing the songs at award shows and some tv shows for the fans since it's been so long but who knows. I believe people have been missing Bey and with good music, it will be impossible for her next solo album to flop. Comparing her to other artists releasing is so pointless at this point.

[benyonce]

1 minute ago, jane said:

Kendrick's numbers are NOT good. The guy used to do 1m first week and he did way less without physicals available. That's why the tour news came right after, that's where the profit will be coming from. Dont let any current artist fool you about making money with these mediocre streams. Not even one billion streams is enough to bring in good money, artists really just have touring left to make that money. We saw both Kendrick and Adele announce their tours quickly after release and i think Beyoncé will do something similar which is why she is not releasing until it can be closer to her touring prep i'm sure. By now she must be missing touring a little so it's good timing and it will be amazing when she puts everything together. I believe a strong single with a kick ass music video before releasing the album is all Beyoncé needs to do strong numbers. The tour will do the rest. I wish she would have some fun performing the songs at award shows and some tv shows for the fans since it's been so long but who knows. I believe people have been missing Bey and with good music, it will be impossible for her next solo album to flop. Comparing her to other artists releasing is so pointless at this point.

I agree with nearly all of this minus Kendricks numbers being bad. Who is capable of doing 1m first week these days? If Adele, Drake and Taylor are going to struggle, what hope does anyone else have? It is a sign of the times and everything is relative. Maybe 500k is the new million?

[BnPac]

2 minutes ago, jane said:

Kendrick's numbers are NOT good. The guy used to do 1m first week and he did way less without physicals available.

Why do you think so? I actually was expecting less than Bad Bunny. 

I had no idea Kendrick ever did 1M, which album was that? Wasn't DAMN his best performing one? 

People expecting 1M in this climate don't know how BB calculate streams. If he manages to do 300k+ from streaming alone, it would the biggest streaming numbers in more than two years beating Adele's and I think even Tay's. His numbers are excellent. I hope the predictions holds. 

[jane]

1 minute ago, BnPac said:

Why do you think so? I actually was expecting less than Bad Bunny. 

I had no idea Kendrick ever did 1M, which album was that? Wasn't DAMN his best performing one? 

People expecting 1M in this climate don't know how BB calculate streams. If he manages to do 300k+ from streaming alone, it would the biggest streaming numbers in more than two years beating Adele's and I think even Tay's. His numbers are excellent. I hope the predictions holds. 

Those numbers are just not going to do a damn thing for him without physical copies and him not releasing them right away was a mistake. At least throw some vinyls instead. Streaming just aint making the label or artist any money which is why he is going on tour already in July to make the money. 

[benyonce]

2 minutes ago, BnPac said:

Why do you think so? I actually was expecting less than Bad Bunny. 

I had no idea Kendrick ever did 1M, which album was that? Wasn't DAMN his best performing one? 

People expecting 1M in this climate don't know how BB calculate streams. If he manages to do 300k+ from streaming alone, it would the biggest streaming numbers in more than two years beating Adele's and I think even Tay's. His numbers are excellent. I hope the predictions holds. 

Exactly, there really hasn't been much hype. It's kinda like with Bey, this is selling on name and his previous works critical acclaim alone. He deserves the success.

[BnPac]

1 minute ago, jane said:

Those numbers are just not going to do a damn thing for him without physical copies and him not releasing them right away was a mistake. At least throw some vinyls instead. Streaming just aint making the label or artist any money which is why he is going on tour already in July to make the money. 

OH you mean money wise!? I think most are still following the ST's print.. The physicals are supposedly coming next week. 

[*-ChriZ-*]

Its SO funny to me how Spirit is doing better than Hold My Hand by Gaga after having to hear for 3 years straight that Spirit is the absolute proof of Beys irrelevancy. Talk about Karma

[Destiny]

5 hours ago, abeille said:

EIL also aged terribly.

mmhh no

[Beyoncé Knowles]

9 minutes ago, Destiny said:

mmhh no

Mmhh yes!

 

Also I listened to the first song "summer" after ages and OMGGGG I was ready to jump of a building. Why is that camel repeating what she sing?! "So good so good". I hate the way he repeat her in this song... That bothered me soooo much. 

 

That album aged like milk. 

[Destiny]

I really hope she releases a single right after Harry’s 2nd or 3rd week out and then an album a week or two later. 

 

Then there’s the tour announcement maybe a day before the album is out or the day after.

 

oh and there’s a possibility of a Netflix special  I think we are getting another visual component to accompany the music. I wonder what she has planned this time around. She has to be different now, innovating. Black Is King and Lemonade are kind of the same in their presentation, what else can she do? A mini- series? A whole film with the music as a the soundtrack? Some sort of documentary? the possibilities are endless

[*-ChriZ-*]

1 minute ago, Destiny said:

I really hope she releases a single right after Harry’s 2nd or 3rd week out and then an album a week or two later. 

 

Then there’s the tour announcement maybe a day before the album is out or the day after.

 

oh and there’s a possibility of a Netflix special  I think we are getting another visual component to accompany the music. I wonder what she has planned this time around. She has to be different now, innovating. Black Is King and Lemonade are kind of the same in their presentation, what else can she do? A mini- series? A whole film with the music as a the soundtrack? Some sort of documentary? the possibilities are endless

I just feel like she owes us a double album at this point and at least 20+ songs. 

Thats the least she can do to pay us back for mentally torturing us

Edited May 15, 2022 by *-ChriZ-*