Her geographic takes (having grown up in NZ), are what in part gave her a unique, lesser heard lyrical angle from which to express her feelings/ observations about life.

 

Since she blew up, based herself in New York and became ingrained with a U.S. lifestyle, she has effectively become a part of the capitalism she once observed and commented upon, largely as an outsider.

 

This has not only made her lyrical insights less unique, it has caused her to unselfconsciously adopt consumerism to a degree she doesn't yet realize she has.

 

She is basically an artist riding off the back of their introduction to the international arena and the profile that launch gave her, who is now simply growing more and more generic with the passing of time.

6 minutes ago, Dante Silva said:

Her geographic takes (having grown up in NZ), are what in part gave her a unique, lesser heard lyrical angle from which to express her feelings/ observations about life.

 

Since she blew up, based herself in New York and became ingrained with a U.S. lifestyle, she has effectively become a part of the capitalism she once observed and commented upon, largely as an outsider.

 

This has not only made her lyrical insights less unique, it has caused her to unselfconsciously adopt consumerism to a degree she doesn't yet realize she has.

 

She is basically an artist riding off the back of their introduction to the international arena and the profile that launch gave her, who is now simply growing more and more generic with the passing of time.

literally her previous album, Solar Power, was as NZ as it can get and actually that was one of the reasons why it didn't click with non-stans immediately....

 

what are these takes on this thread

5 minutes ago, Kayseri Mantisi said:

literally her previous album, Solar Power, was as NZ as it can get and actually that was one of the reasons why it didn't click with non-stans immediately....

 

what are these takes on this thread

Her last album was about presenting herself as a new age goddess and largely using nature as a backdrop in pursuit of that former goal.

 

Edited July 3, 20251 yr by Dante Silva

20 minutes ago, Kayseri Mantisi said:

literally her previous album, Solar Power, was as NZ as it can get and actually that was one of the reasons why it didn't click with non-stans immediately....

 

what are these takes on this thread

As a New Zealander, I wouldn't say Solar Power is "as NZ as it can get" and I'd say most kiwis would agree. It doesn't remotely sound like the average piece of New Zealand music. The production sounds far too polished. Sure, she mentions Oceania in a song title and includes some audio of beaches and cicadas that were recorded here; but it's not like any New Zealander would reach for Solar Power if you asked them to play music that represents the country  

 

The videos were shot in New Zealand but I wouldn't say they have a distinctly "New Zealand" feel to their aesthetic besides the scenery itself.

41 minutes ago, Dante Silva said:

Her geographic takes (having grown up in NZ), are what in part gave her a unique, lesser heard lyrical angle from which to express her feelings/ observations about life.

 

Since she blew up, based herself in New York and became ingrained with a U.S. lifestyle, she has effectively become a part of the capitalism she once observed and commented upon, largely as an outsider.

 

This has not only made her lyrical insights less unique, it has caused her to unselfconsciously adopt consumerism to a degree she doesn't yet realize she has.

 

She is basically an artist riding off the back of their introduction to the international arena and the profile that launch gave her, who is now simply growing more and more generic with the passing of time.

I think this is the closest to getting it right.

 

At least anecdotally from what I've heard from kiwis in Auckland who attended school with Lorde; she was always a bit of an outcast who was into using some substances. I think themes of substance use were much more muted on Pure Heroine (despite the irony of that title) and Melodrama and this meant that more globally accessible themes such as youth, isolation, teenage desire and heartbreak shone through much more.

 

As she's grown and become more successful, I do think she has become more and more obvious about her substance use in her music ("the path", "stoned at the nail salon", "what was that") and I think this theme is far less universal than what she has sung about previously. I think it's also dangerous territory for artists in general (especially female ones) as often your music gets reduced to "singing about being drugged out" even when you are exploring many other deep and meaningful themes within the same piece of work. Charli's work is often totally reduced to sniffing poppers or snorting coke. Lana's is often completely reduced to shooting heroine with rich old men. However, in saying that, it simply is a theme that won't feel as relatable to a sizeable proportion of prior listeners who haven't engaged with these substances.

 

The above also runs in tandem with the fact that her rise, fame and wealth in 2025 stands in complete antithesis to her origins (although, I'd also accept the argument made by those who dispute her origin - as she did have a relatively privileged upbringing by New Zealand standards... But I mean, it was still a lifestyle light years away from the wealth in the music she sang of). While I don't think this is the most important factor, I do think that when Lorde is felt to miss the mark in terms of relatabilty it's an easy cudgel to draw upon.

 

25 minutes ago, Wonderland said:

I think this is the closest to getting it right.

 

At least anecdotally from what I've heard from kiwis in Auckland who attended school with Lorde; she was always a bit of an outcast who was into using some substances. I think themes of substance use were much more muted on Pure Heroine (despite the irony of that title) and Melodrama and this meant that more globally accessible themes such as youth, isolation, teenage desire and heartbreak shone through much more.

 

As she's grown and become more successful, I do think she has become more and more obvious about her substance use in her music ("the path", "stoned at the nail salon", "what was that") and I think this theme is far less universal than what she has sung about previously. I think it's also dangerous territory for artists in general (especially female ones) as often your music gets reduced to "singing about being drugged out" even when you are exploring many other deep and meaningful themes within the same piece of work. Charli's work is often totally reduced to sniffing poppers or snorting coke. Lana's is often completely reduced to shooting heroine with rich old men. However, in saying that, it simply is a theme that won't feel as relatable to a sizeable proportion of prior listeners who haven't engaged with these substances.

 

The above also runs in tandem with the fact that her rise, fame and wealth in 2025 stands in complete antithesis to her origins (although, I'd also accept the argument made by those who dispute her origin - as she did have a relatively privileged upbringing by New Zealand standards... But I mean, it was still a lifestyle light years away from the wealth in the music she sang of). While I don't think this is the most important factor, I do think that when Lorde is felt to miss the mark in terms of relatabilty it's an easy cudgel to draw upon.

 

That you for understanding my post was not motivated by or intended to drag her, but merely to explore the factors that surround her rise to fame and subsequent path.

I think her latest album, about how she's sexually anxious, is her most relatable work. Like everyone who are about to hit 30s will have that similar feeling regard their sex life.

I dont know too much about her (only know her singles) and i havent listened the record yet but i been noticing a lot of people obssesed with that youth image of her in pop forums. Like they want her to stay in that same melodrama-heroine bubble-teenhood sphere but grown up and the truth is.........

as humans we change and sometimes turn in total different versions to our young selves. Sometimes we even shock ourselves of how different we turn
Life is a very unpredictable thing.  Im glad she's honest and open about her new messy lifestyle and challengin virgin stereotypes showin her weenie
 I love more when artists are the real selves instead of pushing a clean softie sanitized persona for the GP


Now if we talk about relatable? She's a rich white woman from a well-off family in one of the most stable developed countries in the whole planet
me someone from from the third world middle class livin in a very unstable enviroment. Definitely not relatable  but im still able to appreciate the common things we have as humans. Like takin the sun in summer and questioning our sexual life
 

Edited July 3, 20251 yr by AvadaKedavra