discussion Are gendered languages problematic?

[kyliefever2002]

i think it is a bit cause for example "they" doesnt work in latin languages cause its not genderless when you translate it, so people that would normally would use that pronoun in english have to use other resources and make up a new language cause the one we have is not inclusive. that being said i do think reformuling the language would be a slow process and we probably wont even get to see the results ourselves, but i would to see it starting 

[Trent W]

It’s way more problematic to focus in this ****

 

When we have climate change, a possible ww, recession etc.

 

Like grow up and stop looking for problems that don’t exist and focus in the real stuff.

Edited June 7, 2022 by Trent W

[loveisdead9582]

There’s a huge possibly Row v Wade and Obergefell v Hodges are about to be overturned, but by all means let’s complain about languages including gendered words. Worms for brains.

[jqnetto]

No. They are beautiful.

[Mr.Link]

Only because they’re harder to learn for no reason. Who has the time to learn if a table is “male” or “female” and what for? 
 

Other than that no fucks should be given. 

[Sergi91]

3 hours ago, Ice Cream Skies said:

Probably to some bored, jobless queers on the internet. The rest of us cope just fine.

This 

[MadonnasBoyfriend]

uhh no frequent mass shootings are a problem

[kyliefever2002]

i cant with people diminishing the importance of having genderless language saying oh global warming is the real issue

oh this and that are the real issue

everything is an issue and gendered can certainly be one of them

it really hurts REAL people just like many other problematics in other society 

[Apolonio ₃₄]

4 minutes ago, kyliefever2002 said:

i cant with people diminishing the importance of having genderless language saying oh global warming is the real issue

oh this and that are the real issue

everything is an issue and gendered can certainly be one of them

it really hurts REAL people just like many other problematics in other society 

No one cares sweetie 

[kyliefever2002]

1 minute ago, Jay-El said:

No one cares sweetie 

and that's exactly the problem

 of course that people that aren't hurt by gendered language don't care for the people that are and aren't even trying to care

it feels like the T is always fighting alone while the LGB clearly don't give a **** 

[Martyr Of Fame]

5 hours ago, Ice Cream Skies said:

Probably to some bored, jobless queers on the internet. The rest of us cope just fine.

+1

 

Some pendejos, ironically. 

[ToMmY]

Go to La Mierda.

 

Edited June 7, 2022 by ToMmY

[Apolonio ₃₄]

4 minutes ago, kyliefever2002 said:

and that's exactly the problem

 of course that people that aren't hurt by gendered language don't care for the people that are and aren't even trying to care

it feels like the T is always fighting alone while the LGB clearly don't give a **** 

Do people really lay in their bed at night and ponder why “la casa” is gendered and get offended?
 

It’s not that deep. Like who is legitimately being hurt because a car is a masculine noun? Do you know how stupid that sounds?

 

 

 

[Claymore]

20 minutes ago, kyliefever2002 said:

i cant with people diminishing the importance of having genderless language saying oh global warming is the real issue

oh this and that are the real issue

everything is an issue and gendered can certainly be one of them

it really hurts REAL people just like many other problematics in other society 

You're doing great sweety. 

[kyliefever2002]

1 minute ago, Jay-El said:

Do people really lay in their bed at night and ponder why “la casa” is gendered and get offended?
 

It’s not that deep. Like who is legitimately being hurt because a car is a masculine noun? Do you know how stupid that sounds?

 

 

 

? you do know that gendered language is used for people too right? 

[kyliefever2002]

Just now, kyliefever2002 said:

? you do know that gendered language is used for people too right? 

for example, in my country many trans women are referred to using male pronouns in order to hurt and erase them

trans men are often referred to using feminine pronouns and so on

[Apolonio ₃₄]

2 minutes ago, kyliefever2002 said:

? you do know that gendered language is used for people too right? 

They’re not talking about people specifically, but everything. That’s the point. 

[Pendulum]

No but you trollling with such topic just to make queer people look bad is problematic ATRL user Revolution 

[kyliefever2002]

Just now, Jay-El said:

They’re not talking about people specifically, but everything. 

yeah but i am saying that i think gendered language is hurtful for people specifically and that's why i think it's a problem 

i do not give a **** if a house is referred to using a masculine or feminine pronoun but i do care about trans people being misgendered left and right in my country cause the language opens up a possibility to do so 

also, most latin languages don't have genderless pronoun like "they" in the english language. so they have to come up with their own like "elu" ou "elx" and since it isn't something "official", most people don't even try to integrate on their daily life and some people even go as far to ridicule people for wanting to feel included in their own language 

[Pendulum]

OP first posts some picture of some Spanish nouns and then switchses to the ellos/ellas debate? These two things are not the same. 

 

Languages with a gender system have nothing to do with actual gender. In fact, think of a gender system as a NOUN CLASS - a system based on classification of nouns. The only nouns that match the gender of its semantics are words like man, woman, sister, brother, and gendered occupations. The genders of other words (table, carrot, anus, whatever..) is formed using various morphological criteria. For example, masculine words in Spanish end in an O and female words end in an A (for the most part). 

 

The gender distinction in French/Spanish/Portuguese 3rd p, pl. is a remnant of Latin, which to be fair, the reason between that was sexism. It's just that it has survived. 

Edited June 7, 2022 by Pendulum

[The7thStranger]

One could argue that calling it male and female is problematic, but in general... no. If you were to make certain languages genderless in a non-organic way, you would break them and make them unintelligible. French is a good example of why it would never work.

[Hephaestus]

No and several users have already provided very insightful reasons why it isn't 

[Jagger]

Why is it that the people who hate the gender binary are always the most obsessed with gender. Like if gender doesn't matter why do you care about it so much? Genuinely curious