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cultural impact is influencing an entire generation by your art Your definition by this post is features and credits were she participated Adele looking for Max Martin is an insane claim, he has worked with so many artists Example: Taylor actually influenced by Lana, directly, her best product is a recreation in her own form of another artist Olivia Rodrigo had claimed several times to be influenced mainly by Avril Lavigne

Every artist boosts the economy where they go And that has nothing to do with being a legendary musician

That doesn't have anything to do with making good music and having talent lmao You just don't get it right? This is definition of "It Charted" !!!!

Anyway, sales and cheating variant sales don't make legends Legendary music and talent does

No one releases the same album 30-50 times

Well we have artists that sell well and changed the music industry And we have artists that sell by cheating the system with a small group of people buying the same product 30x Sales are not enough this way especially when the artist is cheating the system

Lana del Rey is the most influential artist of the 2010s Im not even a fan but the entire industry has been borrowing from her This forum has really trouble differentiating between having commercial success and actual impact and influence If you can't see that I don't think we can have a proper conversation The biggest and most impactful females this century: Early 00s Britney and Beyonce Early- Mid 00s Avril Lavigne Changed everything to pop rock Late 00s Gaga changed the pop scene Early 2010s Lana del Rey Late 2010s Billie Eilish Not everyone who is big has influence and impact

We didn't have Showgirl in 2023 ❤️

shakira is a legend yes, as I said she broke barriers pave the way for latin artists in a world stage, I was pointing out that she did decline in the quality of her music over time, content matters more than anything, but she is a legend Taylor is good for business, musically she hasn't changed anything, she is in a category of artists like Ed Sheeran that are huge commercially but lack cultural impact, because they have no culture themselves. From her time Gaga and Lana del Rey are examples of artists that changed the music industry. Folklore and Evermore her best albums are product of Lana Del Rey and clearly influenced by her. Billie Eilish is another example of an artist that changed the music industry when she arrived

TaylorSquad we have people in their 40s that are still stuck in high school in their head, writing about it, completely embarrassing Let's not get into people stuck in time please The thread is clean and going well

Shakira is definitely a legend in Latam but her music has been bad for a while. The difference is that she revolutionized and broke barriers She's gonna probably be remembered because of her hits in the 90s and 00s She has longevity but again, her music hasn't been good Still a legend. Taylor to be fair has Red, Folklore and Evermore, which are good albums, but her existence as an artist didn't change anything in the industry

There are wannabe poets out there doing the torture to the general population right now

This is all hypothetical lol

Its unrealistic There would have to be an unbiased entity running it, like an ethical AI, but that is not possible either No human can run communism, they would get corrupted No human is made to govern that system Communism in real life is just an abuse of power, different and similar at the same time to Fascism

Of course you can, a lot talentless people are outselling talented artists Relatability has been exploited too much in the music industry

Two posts above you are calling the nurse But you are posting non-stop about a pop star who is retired, in a thread comparing legacy to sales The fact that you are bringing up a pop star that hasn't released an album in a decade shows her actual impact lol

Why do you keep bringing Katy Perry? She lacks everything mentioned in the Op

Yup Katy doesn't have a horse in this race She lacks almost everything mentioned in the OP Disqualified

Weird focus on a pop star from the 00s selling a lot Completely off topic btw

I don't think this is a conversation for this thread Names like Britney, Madonna, Gaga, Beyonce, Lana del rey not to mention others have massive cultural impact Britney is probably the most influential pop star all time after Madonna Her contribution to culture is unmatched

Its established that those artists sell But the content is panned, including performance abilities I don't know if you are getting the idea of the thread Which is an artist being corporate not translating into a real legacy

This are good examples of what I mean An those mentioned probably had a lot more organic success back in their day without all the current fraudulence

With with so many bot farms, fanbases tricking the charts, artists releasing bad music and making their fans buy 10x the same album What metric exactly defines success now? The 2020s Billboard has been non-stop chart manipulation, not even stans are taking them seriously anymore Legacies now will be defined by other metrics external to capitalism and sales, because there will be no other way to define them We are stuck this decade with frauds gaming the system

Lets say you are the biggest artist in the world and sold more records than anyone else, but your music and brand are garbage, you just exploit capitalism and your fans but you break all the chart records Does that artist would become a legend? That artist has weaker influence, impact and very low risk Now there are other more balanced artists that changed the industry with impact, influence and took risks to do so I think that this is an important conversation in the industry The charts are becoming meaningless by the day, charts are being manipulated more than ever and people are looking at artistry and expression more than ever too, charts are not a reliable source anymore Also we might start seeing several artists this decade that will surpass in sales to some of the past legends but really lack a strong discography and legacy This is probably the first time this will happen in music history

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