king_queen Posted May 7 Posted May 7 Not the "will Beyoncé's music be remembered" conversations 27 years in. There is soooo much to drag Beyoncé for. That aint it. 1
Kh-Loud Posted May 7 Posted May 7 We need a BJORK inspired album full of IM THAT GIRLLL with weird visuals…. Then she can transition into a flopped indie has-been/Legend era! 1
ShouldersSideways Posted May 7 Posted May 7 There are a lot of people who may be more successful than her numbers wise (at this time, not overall) but will they be remembered the way she is? I don't think so. Plenty of artists have had huge numbers and peaks only to fade into what is essentially irrelevancy. 1 2
Kristie Kuwa Posted May 7 Posted May 7 My bigger issue is with artist who deem sth their "most favorite album" and then let it rot. Thats just bs to me 4
AxelFox Posted May 7 Posted May 7 1 hour ago, Mitsouko said: Don't forget @AxelFox No I love the album (but I cut almost half of it from the tracklist in my library so yeah) 1
Lose My Breath Posted May 7 Posted May 7 It makes me sad to see all the negative takes about the album, just because it's so good, and you can tell she worked really hard on it, despite her carelessness after release (at least to our eyes). She appears to be flippant about her music, so it's easy for some of us to feel that way too, but I really don't think her actions are an accurate reflection of her feelings. She probably feels like she's worked really hard on it, considering there is a lot we haven't seen. She really needs to find a good balance between keeping her secrecy, and including her fans. 1
Mitsouko Posted May 7 Posted May 7 Yes, I know, the vocals are there and that's important, sure. And it's her going back to her roots (somewhat), nice. I understand why it's taken more seriously than the dance album by many fans. But Renaissance can cut diamonds. Its concept, its world, its vision is so complete and contained and crystal clear. It doesn't begin or end, it's spherical, a perfect shape of music. That's so Bey to me, the star and the artist. Quality and control down to the silence between notes. Ren is her most cohesive album by light years. In comparison CC is sprawling and unfocused and messy, both in concept and execution. Other than the familiar sounds of the genre, it's largely without cohesion or continuity. It needed a clearer vision and an editor desperately. Ren is all control, CC is a project out of control. Even on my first listen at midnight it felt like a project that got away from her and which needed to have a deadline and not be tweaked and tinkered with for four years. I appreciate its ambition but so much about it just doesn't hit for me and in fact rubs me the wrong way. Note to self when I'm a billionaire popstar and my own boss: Don't make an album out of spite. 5 4
BnPac Posted May 7 Posted May 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, king_queen said: Not the "will Beyoncé's music be remembered" conversations 27 years in. There is soooo much to drag Beyoncé for. That aint it. Since I am the one who mentioned it, I will respond. It was not a drag at all but a question. It was not even an affirmation. I do wonder. I also didn't wonder if her music will be remembered, I asked if her music in the last decade will be remembered compared to what she put out before. DIL, 4 and even IASF seem much more likely to be remembered for the music itself than Lemonade and anything that followed. I also don't see what "27 years in" have to do with what I said. Edited May 7 by BnPac 1
Beyle Street Posted May 7 Posted May 7 1 hour ago, satellites.™ said: This is going to sound far fetched, but it would NOT shock me if The Carters got clocked for some money laundering scheme in the future. It is not lost on me how many "business ventures" come and go under her/their name that we stop hearing about within a year or two. How do you go this far all solely from tantrums on how the album is being ignored? That's one thing I don't like about ATRL Hive is that they not only do this but also let Bey get dogwalked all over this site and have done it for years. It's just as bad as Twitter Hive setting her up by quoting hate tweets incessantly.
Burn Posted May 7 Posted May 7 when people say the album too long I think... well what songs would you cut? because I genuinely wouldn't cut any of them, Alligator Tears is my least fave but I still consider it a 10/10 song. maybe Bey did try to trim it but found every song deserved its place. when it's someone like Chris Brown or she-who-shall-not-be-named dropping 30-50 track albums of mediocre music I can see the argument for a more succinct album of quality songs, but when all 27 tracks on CC are stellar (yes even the interludes) I think it's justified. 1
AxelFox Posted May 7 Posted May 7 Yeah generally I dislike Fantano but he was very much spot on in regards to Cowboy Carter. To re-phrase what se said - It's a great album and addition to her discography but it could've had a more cohesive vision. The core songs are stellar but it truly is lengthier than it really needed to be. If you stripped away the unnecessary bits there is another Renaissance in the rough there, but there was just not enough finesse when it came to the execution. This is how I've had the album in my library since like 2 weeks after release and I've been listening to this front to back almost everyday: Spoiler 1 AMERIICAN REQUIEM 2 BLACKBIIRD 3 16 CARRIAGES 4 PROTECTOR MY ROSE - cute but adds nothing and drags on the first part of the album SMOKE HOUR ★ WILLIE NELSON 5 TEXAS HOLD 'EM 6 BODYGUARD DOLLY P 7 JOLENE 8 DAUGHTER SPAGHETTII - just awful all around ALLIIGATOR TEARS - good song but adds nothing to the album and makes for a boring middle part SMOKE HOUR II JUST FOR FUN - good song but adds nothing to the album and makes for a boring middle part 9 II MOST WANTED 10 LEVII'S JEANS - kept it but i skip it more often than not, the AUYIM of the album if you will 11 FLAMENCO THE LINDA MARTELL SHOW 12 YA YA 12 OH LOUISIANA - only kept it for continuity because of the weird cutout from Ya Ya, really should've been part of the main song 13 DESERT EAGLE 14 RIIVERDANCE 15 II HANDS II HEAVEN TYRANT - her most overrated song in forever SWEET ★ HONEY ★ BUCKIIN' - I like this but it's more like a My House type of situation. Great bonus track but not quite part of the main album 16 AMEN The interludes are cool and would be nice additions to a visual but there was no need for them on the actual tracklist. 2
AxelFox Posted May 7 Posted May 7 33 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said: She really needs to find a good balance between keeping her secrecy, and including her fans. She did. ST and Lemonade were the balance. She was extremely private and still did whatever the f she wanted but there was content for the fans to enjoy and excitement around the projects. Nowadays you can't even get a booklet from the woman. It's beyond ridiculous. 1 1
Devin Posted May 7 Posted May 7 ultimately the tracklist is great but if she continued 16-tracks i stand by: AMERIICAN REQUIEM 16 CARRIAGES TEXAS HOLD 'EM BODYGUARD JOLENE DAUGHTER ALLIIGATOR TEARS II MOST WANTED LEVII'S JEANS YA YA DESERT EAGLE RIIVERDANCE II HANDS II HEAVEN TYRANT SWEET HONEY BUCKIIN' AMEN 2
period sis Posted May 7 Posted May 7 The physical album tracklist is highkey what the album should've been. Just add Linda Martell Interlude into YA YA and it's golden. The short, album "nothing" songs like Flamenco, My Rose, and Desert Eagle should've been cut or tacked as bonus tracks. As art as those songs are, they do nothing but lengthen up the album and push regular people away. 1
Lose My Breath Posted May 7 Posted May 7 (edited) The only thing I really would get rid of, if I had to, is the spoken interludes, and Spaghetti Spaghetti could've been a bonus track, or something Edited May 7 by Lose My Breath
FLAallday Posted May 7 Posted May 7 Whew it's getting murky. I was blindly a "she has a plan" girl during act i but I've since crossed over to the "she is a sick woman" side. Starting to believe she has a stress kink and likes inducing it onto her fans. 1
king_queen Posted May 7 Posted May 7 34 minutes ago, BnPac said: Since I am the one who mentioned it, I will respond. It was not a drag at all but a question. It was not even an affirmation. I do wonder. I also didn't wonder if her music will be remembered, I asked if her music in the last decade will be remembered compared to what she put out before. DIL, 4 and even IASF seem much more likely to be remembered for the music itself than Lemonade and anything that followed. I also don't see what "27 years in" have to do with what I said. Okay gurl
Burn Posted May 7 Posted May 7 7 minutes ago, period sis said: The physical album tracklist is highkey what the album should've been. Just add Linda Martell Interlude into YA YA and it's golden. The short, album "nothing" songs like Flamenco, My Rose, and Desert Eagle should've been cut or tacked as bonus tracks. As art as those songs are, they do nothing but lengthen up the album and push regular people away. Desert Eagle CUT? 1
period sis Posted May 7 Posted May 7 Just now, Burn said: Desert Eagle CUT? unless she makes it longer and cuts real DUDS like just for fun, then yes. CUT!
Pepo Posted May 7 Posted May 7 1 hour ago, Kh-Loud said: We need a BJORK inspired album full of IM THAT GIRLLL with weird visuals…. Then she can transition into a flopped indie has-been/Legend era! The good sis listens to Bjork when she paints, she's a stan. This though they're both geniuses. 22 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said: It makes me sad to see all the negative takes about the album, just because it's so good, and you can tell she worked really hard on it, despite her carelessness after release (at least to our eyes). She appears to be flippant about her music, so it's easy for some of us to feel that way too, but I really don't think her actions are an accurate reflection of her feelings. She probably feels like she's worked really hard on it, considering there is a lot we haven't seen. She really needs to find a good balance between keeping her secrecy, and including her fans. She probably feels she's in her "been there, done that" era, which means letting the music speak for itself, but also implying that she has nothing left to prove. I can survive the no visuals thing, but choosing not to perform her music is where I draw the line... 3
Burn Posted May 7 Posted May 7 I'd rather have another #1 single than visuals just something about seeing Bey on top is so pleasing to me 1
cloudbusting Posted May 7 Posted May 7 (edited) Tbh I love CC, but I can acknowledge that it's a bit perplexing. A good half, maybe 2/3 of it would sound right at home on country radio (not something I listen to willingly, but you will inevitably end up in a store/uber tuned into a station when you live in Oklahoma lmao). Those songs are different for Beyoncé, but they're still ultimately fairly conventional. It makes them stand out a little oddly not just with the more adventurous tracks on the album, but with much of her work since self-titled. It's unfair to call it a regression because, again, it's new to her, but idk it's like... almost uncharacteristically tame to me? So between that + the time investment, I'm not returning to it as frequently and obsessively as I did with Rennie. Edited May 7 by cloudbusting
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