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[BnPac]

12 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

if it were as great as everyone says it is it wouldn't be forgotten one month after release…

That's not a measure on quality though or else it would mean all her latest albums are bad because tbh all their streams are the pits. CC is a good album and we genuinely love it. 

 

What makes CC a bit embarrassing is that she had 76M streams and good streams first week so people were really interested, a couple of songs resonated too but she doesn't know how to keep the momentum going or hold interest. There's also no Alien Superstar in CC to seize people's attention and not let go for a long time without any help. 

[Kh-Loud]

Imma about to change my decade long AVI to BJORK's…. I can't stand her anymore 

 

CC is still top 2 on ha discography so ugh what a hag I hate ha! 

Edited May 7 by Kh-Loud

[satellites.™]

10 hours ago, Mitsouko said:

Some artists perform for 1.6 million people for free (and millions more via live television broadcast) in a country where they've been beloved for decades and some artists perform for the elite at an invite-only ribbon-cutting of a luxury hotel in a slave-built city-state

 

They dont want to admit it, she has become problematic. She also worked with Travis Scott too, Jay's influence has always been trash on Bey. He's the reason she went to TIDAL and tried to make that TRASH happen too.

[ScorpiosGroove]

39 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Watch someone take Beys idea, do it all in a matter of 2-2.5 years and absolutely smash with a trilogy like this

 

that someone will be a certain stiff lady and we'll have to hear about what a genius master move her trilogy album idea was 

[Kristie Kuwa]

Popularity should never be seen as a measurements for quality.

 

Social Medias effect on society as a whole and thus also on the music industry cannot be overstated: Ones success does not depend on quality, but more so on being able to be capture attention by the public. We are so overstimulated that the ones that truly smash are the ones that manage to capture our attention.

Team Bey is AMAZING at creating a great rollout and thus gaining peoples attention in the first week, which always shows that the people are here for new Bey, however they never seize the moment to create a longlasting impact on peoples attention. Bey comes and goes and unfortunately the span between coming and going gets shorter every release

[satellites.™]

1 hour ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Watch someone take Beys idea, do it all in a matter of 2-2.5 years and absolutely smash with a trilogy like this

 

MJ released HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I in 1995, 4 years after Dangerous (a global smash) and also went on the biggest tour of his career.

 

Go see what happened after, no Book 2, he released a remix album and then of course it was downhill from there.

[Blue Rose]

25 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

Not me typing out a swissman level-post only to get an ad and have it clear it completely.  

 

My point, summarized.... most my non-Hive friends don't really like Cowboy Carter and they like Beyonce. It's not the sort of album the GP will get into unless she invites them into its world. One only needs look at the online adoration she got during RWT to see how much she benefits from the slightest exposure. 

 

Renaissance is undeniable fun. CC can kinda slog for people who only have so much time a day to listen to music. 

I feel like my friends like CC more than Renaissance. Even the biggest Bey haters have been stanning "honey honey…" 

The problem is you have to keep the album interest up and grab new listeners. Besides stans, people quickly move on from albums to check out the new ones among other things 

[satellites.™]

This is going to sound far fetched, but it would NOT shock me if The Carters got clocked for some money laundering scheme in the future. 

 

It is not lost on me how many "business ventures" come and go under her/their name that we stop hearing about within a year or two.

[Punch]

Just a Question cause i dont follow SZA too much . What made her Album so succesfull - stable and still doing great in streams !?

[ScorpiosGroove]

11 minutes ago, Punch said:

And why so ? 

bc it's simply not the type of music people who like bey wanna hear, that was clear since the "ACT II is country" rumors started and everyone said we don't want it… just look at how most of y'all talk about lemonade 

 

y'all say the album is already forgotten but not bc of its quality (and i somewhat agree) but what is it then ? cause fact is no one's streaming the album, lemonade is forgotten and ren will be forgotten soon as well, no matter how you spin it. ofc no one can deny the sheer unmatched quality of her 2010s-2020s output but WHY do people lose interest after a few weeks and completely forget the work after a couple years ? more singles, award show performances and visuals didn't save lemonade from being forgotten either. is it simply bey is too big for the type of "avant-garde" music she makes now but not small enough to be seen as an indie alt artist ? or is it something else ? 

 

the hive has been all talk and no action for over a decade now and we're one of the most cult minded fan bases of them all, so all of that surely doesn't help. we're the only fanbase where you constantly hear or read "i love [insert album name] and it's her best album but i never listen to it" like why is that ? i feel like there's a huge problem in both the fanbase and bey's career that has been festering for years but no one wants to address it or even admit it exists 

[Punch]

2 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

bc it's simply not the type of music people who like bey wanna hear, that was clear since the "ACT II is country" rumors started and everyone said we don't want it… just look at how most of y'all talk about lemonade 

 

y'all say the album is already forgotten but not bc of its quality (and i somewhat agree) but what is it then ? cause fact is no one's streaming the album, lemonade is forgotten and ren will be forgotten soon as well, no matter how you spin it. ofc no one can deny the sheer unmatched quality of her 2010s-2020s output but WHY do people lose interest after a few weeks and completely forget the work after a couple years ? more singles, award show performances and visuals didn't save lemonade from being forgotten either. is it simply bey is too big for the type of "avant-garde" music she makes now but not small enough to be seen as an indie alt artist ? or is it something else ? 

 

the hive has been all talk and no action for over a decade now and we're one of the most cult minded fan bases of them all, so all of that surely doesn't help. we're the only fanbase where you constantly hear or read "i love [insert album name] and it's her best album but i never listen to it" like why is that ? i feel like there's a huge problem in both the fanbase and bey's career that has been festering for years but no one wants to address it or even admit it exists 

You totally lost me here ....what !?  " Avant -garde " music ....ok so with your expertise what type of Music should she release ???

[BnPac]

Yes, tbh CC is way more GP-friendly than Renaissance. Ren is a kind of a niche album. Actually just imagining all those women bopping to 2MW, Levii's and Jolene clicking play on Renaissance and hearing "these motherfuckers..." is funny. 

 

Tbh CC could have been IASF-lite : Bodyguard, Levii's, Tyrant, Daughter, 2H2H... There's potential there, she just doesn't know what to do with it.

Even performances of non singles like PROTECTOR, Daughter, Ya Ya could vastly increase the interest in the album. 

[satellites.™]

3 minutes ago, Punch said:

Just a Question cause i dont follow SZA too much . What made her Album so succesfull - stable and still doing great in streams !?

Her label put in work, not only was the album iconic (as the follow up to CTRL), but she was so visible and got new fans as the years went on. 

 

She did high profile collabs outside of her own singles.

 

Six singles were released between 2020 and 2023 to promote SOS, five of which were top-ten hits on the US Billboard Hot 100.

[Punch]

7 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

bc it's simply not the type of music people who like bey wanna hear, that was clear since the "ACT II is country" rumors started and everyone said we don't want it… just look at how most of y'all talk about lemonade 

 

y'all say the album is already forgotten but not bc of its quality (and i somewhat agree) but what is it then ? cause fact is no one's streaming the album, lemonade is forgotten and ren will be forgotten soon as well, no matter how you spin it. ofc no one can deny the sheer unmatched quality of her 2010s-2020s output but WHY do people lose interest after a few weeks and completely forget the work after a couple years ? more singles, award show performances and visuals didn't save lemonade from being forgotten either. is it simply bey is too big for the type of "avant-garde" music she makes now but not small enough to be seen as an indie alt artist ? or is it something else ? 

 

the hive has been all talk and no action for over a decade now and we're one of the most cult minded fan bases of them all, so all of that surely doesn't help. we're the only fanbase where you constantly hear or read "i love [insert album name] and it's her best album but i never listen to it" like why is that ? i feel like there's a huge problem in both the fanbase and bey's career that has been festering for years but no one wants to address it or even admit it exists 

She just came off the biggest Tour of any Black Artist ever and second highest ( for a period of time the 1. Highest ) overall female tour . SHe snatched another Nr.1 Hit song 25 years into her career. She is selling more and outstreaming ALL of her peers from the 90s/2000s.

 

I understand the fustration to an extend but what we not gonna do is picture like B has a failed career or is a flop .

You will bite your A** in 10 years when she is still talked about and half these chart topping artists are forgotten . Relax and breathe

Edited May 7 by Punch

[BnPac]

8 minutes ago, satellites.™ said:

This is going to sound far fetched, but it would NOT shock me if The Carters got clocked for some money laundering scheme in the future. 

 

It is not lost on me how many "business ventures" come and go under her/their name that we stop hearing about within a year or two.

Girl... Now what is this? 

It's not cute to accuse people without proof. 

[Punch]

3 minutes ago, BnPac said:

Yes, tbh CC is way more GP-friendly than Renaissance. Ren is a kind of a niche album. Actually just imagining all those women bopping to 2MW, Levii's and Jolene clicking play on Renaissance and hearing "these motherfuckers..." is funny. 

 

Tbh CC could have been IASF-lite : Bodyguard, Levii's, Tyrant, Daughter, 2H2H... There's potential there, she just doesn't know what to do with it.

Even performances of non singles like PROTECTOR, Daughter, Ya Ya could vastly increase the interest in the album. 

Yh performances would have been nice just one or 2 .

[ReneighIsHere]

9 minutes ago, Punch said:

Just a Question cause i dont follow SZA too much . What made her Album so succesfull - stable and still doing great in streams !?

sza's a streaming force, her debut album never left the chart.. and SOS is a good commercial album with something for everybody. She had a lot of songs go viral on titkok and 2 super successful post album singles (Kill Bill and Snooze). 

[yonsé]

50 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

but the difference is, this album simply isn't as great as Ren. yes i love the album, we all love the album (except @Mitsouko ) and we can continue pretending that it is the best thing since sliced bread but it's just not as great as Ren, and certainly can't survive off of nothing like Ren did.

 

if it were as great as everyone says it is it wouldn't be forgotten one month after release… that's why renaissance, despite being a a boring, uneventful era as well, wasn't as unbearable, simply due to the fact that the album was a lot more self sufficient than CC… that coupled with the hope of visuals and "something will happen soon" kept us afloat until the tour arrived but now we don't even have that. all we have this time is a front loaded album that 99% of us are bored of and a botched "trilogy project" that goes nowhere 

eh i disagree here. i still think CC as a whole is a better album. renaissance is more marketable though. it's dance music and dance music is much more within the realm of beyoncé the superstar. also she marketed to gays and we all know the gays are VERY loyal.

 

no one is really here for her being a country music artist. its not a good commercial sell for beyoncé's brand. but the research and attention to detail in CC makes it her best body of work since lemonade. its probably why she knew she had to put renaissance out first to anchor the entire project.

[ScorpiosGroove]

6 minutes ago, Punch said:

You totally lost me here ....what !?  " Avant -garde " music ....ok so with your expertise what type of Music should she release ???

3 minutes ago, Punch said:

She just came off the biggest Tour of any Black Artist ever and second highest ( for a period of time the 1. Highest ) overall female tour . SHe snatched another Nr.1 Hit song 25 years into her career. She is selling more and outstreaming ALL of her peers from the 90s/2000s.

 

I understand the fustration to an extend but what we not gonna do is picture like B has a failed career or is a flop .

You will bite your A** in 10 years when she is still talked about and half these chart topping artists are forgotten . Relax and breathe

ijbol you didn't understand one bit of what i was saying, but congrats on demonstrating the cult mind i was talking about 

[ReneighIsHere]

Just now, ReneighIsHere said:

sza's a streaming force, her debut album never left the chart.. and SOS is a good commercial album with something for everybody. She had a lot of songs go viral on titkok and 2 super successful post album singles (Kill Bill and Snooze). 

her singles always take off after a while even if she doesn't do **** to promote them.. for example saturn dropped as a surpise release and was falling after the first week, but then tiktok picked it up and went super viral and now it's getting 3.8M daily even tho it's not really a commercial song

[TizTiz]

Hearing TXH on the radio right now, God this song is absolutely cringe 🤣🤣🤣To those that said it was better than BMS, God bless you because the life you're living must be ****** terrible

[Punch]

8 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

ijbol you didn't understand one bit of what i was saying, but congrats on demonstrating the cult mind i was talking about 

I totally "Understood" what you said but what is the " Problem " outside of her not promoting (  which i get can be annoying and im also slightly irked by her not giving any attention to the Album in one way or the other ) but you wrote so much but you didnt "mention " the "Big Problem" .... !?

 

 

Also :

 

What Type of Music / or Album should she release/ shouldve released without " Avant Garde " Music

Edited May 7 by Punch

[jadeabove]

I loved Renaissance, not from the first listen, but something drew me back. There was just something magnetic about that album. For Me Cowboy Carter pales in comparison. I would go as far as saying that for the first time ever, I don't like how Beyonce sounds on an album. 
 

I adored Daddy's Lessons and the first two singles of this album, but to me, the rest of the album is not only too long for absolutely no reason, it's just also less interesting overall, although its purpose is important.

[ScorpiosGroove]

1 minute ago, yonsé said:

eh i disagree here. i still think CC as a whole is a better album. renaissance is more marketable though. it's dance music and dance music is much more within the realm of beyoncé the superstar. also she marketed to gays and we all know the gays are VERY loyal.

 

no one is really here for her being a country music artist. its not a good commercial sell for beyoncé's brand. but the research and attention to detail in CC makes it her best body of work since lemonade. its probably why she knew she had to put renaissance out first to anchor the entire project.

oh make no mistake CC is easily top 2, no matter which album you put at #1. the question is just why let an album that was created in a genre you already know isn't your fan base's cup of tea rot while you ignore it ? and why are even the fans already bored of it despite its quality ? cause even with ren being the more marketable dancey album it still left the charts today, barely a year and a half after its release… like there has to be something going on here 

[ScorpiosGroove]

6 minutes ago, Punch said:

I totally "Understood" what you said but what is the " Problem " outside of her not promoting (  which i get can be annoying and im also slightly irked by her not giving any attention to the Album in one way or the other ) but you wrote so much but you didnt "mention " the "Big Problem" .... !?

i don't know what the problem is, it's just painfully clear atp that there is one, that's literally what i'm asking about throughout my post. if i had an answer i wouldn't be asking questions