Rotunda Posted April 29 Posted April 29 Honestly I imagine if Bey's doing another Lion King soundtrack, she's not gonna straight up repeat the mistakes of the last one.
sillycilla Posted April 29 Posted April 29 1 minute ago, ScorpiosGroove said: why are you not celebrating another panned kids movie right now, fellow fake fan ? No REAL fan asked for this. I don't want any part of this mess. 1
ScorpiosGroove Posted April 29 Posted April 29 1 minute ago, Rotunda said: Honestly I imagine if Bey's doing another Lion King soundtrack, she's not gonna straight up repeat the mistakes of the last one. just like she didn't repeat the mistake of letting an album rot while she withholds its visuals for a couple years ? 1 2 3
Rotunda Posted April 29 Posted April 29 2 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said: just like she didn't repeat the mistake of letting an album rot while she withholds its visuals for a couple years ? well you see that's different…because…reasons
Mitsouko Posted April 29 Posted April 29 54 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said: "omg we're getting a red carpet LOOK in 8 months GET UP why are you not celebrating ??" * the red carpet look in question * Mama Morton snapped 1
Cbreezy Posted April 29 Posted April 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, yonsé said: did you forget the discourse around the gift era? how casual listeners found it inaccessible and said she took herself too seriously, how Africans themselves declared she was attempting to appropriate their culture, how her haters called her "mama Africa"…it was not the romantic time to be a hive like renaissance. returning to that discourse is exhausting and that's why people are not looking forward to it. Black is king is visually stunning, but its storyline is mid at best (it would've been better with dialogue) and her rehashing the lemonade formula did not wow anyone. I'm assuming she took lessons from that and that's why this trilogy film is going to be such a huge undertaking. if she did release the gift part ii it would probably be around the time of the film, and then she'd go on to tour that and CC next summer. Then no one is asking about act iii which will come in 2026. I hear you and even agree to some degree, but I also think context is crucial. There is nothing "inaccessible" about The Gift sonically. If anything, it's a way more palatable, Americanized, yet still qualitative adaptation of a genre that was BOOMING at the time. Wizkid, Davido and co were all in the midst of huge breakout success that was being lapped up by the very people who were critiquing Bey. More on that in a sec. Timing-wise and musically it actually was one of the most on-trend, savvy moves Bey has made...on paper. IMO, climate and context are everything. And the easiest way for me to relay this is to look at it from two camps of chaos around her at the time. 1) The Disinterest / Frustration of Bey's Core Base Bey was at her most inactive in 2019 and was kinda sorta consistently doing the opposite of what her die-hard Hive wanted. Coming off Coachella, we all had an appetite for a solo era. Instead, she gives us OTRII and EIL. Both ok, but chops in the grand scheme of things. The Lion King was a great move on paper, yet she did nothing to push the actual movie (thus created a certain sour taste with her own fandom wanting more from...her). We expected performances, interviews, visibility. Yet, sans Spirit and the premieres. It was pretty hands-off. The Gift, a whole side project we knew nothing about before it was announced, dropped sans the usual ostentatious rollout from (e.g. without visuals etc) and deffo without much push and thus underperformed. Automatically, like I said earlier, putting it in the category of releases fans CHOOSE to not associate with because it underperformed. BIK coming a whole year later was never going to be enough. Even if it was exceptional, like it was. Add the whole Disney+ being new at the time into the mix and yeah...it's all a bit of a nonstarter. 2) The Hating GP / Some Sections Of The Afro Diaspora Imma say from the jump that I literally know people who fall into this category. Loud, wrong, and strong when it's easy to tug at Bey, yet the same ones doing the Cuff It Challenge on TikTok and writing Twitter think-pieces about the brilliance of Rennie when she's popular. Flip-floppers. In the absence of promo and visibility, together with the nothingness of the pandemic (remember BIK dropped 2020), I've clocked those are the windows it's easiest for people to successfully come for Bey. There's no visual to gag at, looks to fawn over, new music being promoted. If anything there's an air of irritation of how little she gave. As someone of African heritage myself, I don't know if y'all know how pathetic the "Mama Africa" shade from others in the diaspora was. Same with the critiques from the Afro diaspora. I still get so riled up at the whole Gift/BIK discourse primarily because it was "presented" as this deep, theoretical, quality discourse when in reality it was dizzy, dense, and lacking in any depth. Here Bey was trying to lift up OUR culture and despite a lot of support from within some corners of the culture just seemed adamant to sink it. Ironically in ways they wouldn't if it were another act like a Rih. For the uninformed, mainstream Afrobeats literally is West African-led. More specifically Nigeran led. Like, any act you even "kinda sorta" know (Wizkid, Davido, Tiwa Savage, Ayra Star etc) are all Nigerian from a specific tribe at that. It is what it is. Yet, you literally had "African Twitter" foaming at the mouth to slam Bey with idiotic remarks like "why is there no East African music on the album"? "Where is so little North African representation". BECAUSE NO ONE EN MASSE LISTENS TO THAT! LOL. Hell, even the people IN those countries PRIMARILY listen to the version of Afrobeats Bey zoned in on and the artists she featured. This is way longer than intended, but I say all of this to say, we have to be careful to not always conflate the quality of the music or value of exploring a musical lane with the context-laden BS of yesteryear. Like others have said, Bey has boomed on streaming in the time since, actually has a team different to the team during The Gift / BIK, and generally has more good grace/momentum now musically than back then. I also trust that lessons have been learned from before. So, anything she releases (including more Afrobeats) stands to do better than before iMO. Edited April 29 by Cbreezy 2
ShouldersSideways Posted April 29 Posted April 29 Eh I don't really care about the movie one way or another as long as the visuals come first. it'll be a slap in the face if they don't 1
ScorpiosGroove Posted April 29 Posted April 29 1 minute ago, Mitsouko said: Mama Morton snapped oh auntie Morton ate grannyoncé up
luxurious Posted April 29 Posted April 29 I don't have another "the gift" era in me omggggg. I'm so happy for Blue tho!! Apparently lin manuel is producing the soundtrack so maybe we'll get music just from that but you never know with bey tbh 1
luxurious Posted April 29 Posted April 29 I don't care for Disney live action remakes so I definitely won't be watching
satellites.™ Posted April 29 Posted April 29 2 hours ago, EricSean said: At least now Disney and Blue will have her trotting along that promo trail. No it won't, where were you during the press tour? She did not do the promo tour with the team.
swissman Posted April 29 Posted April 29 (edited) 37 minutes ago, yonsé said: It was a poor execution and interpretation of the lion king story. It dragged it parts and glossed over others. The writing was not its strong suit, the visuals were. It was in dire need of dialogue. The poems did not work. Many people in here said this when it premiered. It hinders its rewatchability I can find ways to improve it but think that it did a good job doing the story in its own way. That it dragged out some parts of the original story or glossed over others seems fine considering it's its own thing, a visual representation of music that was an audio interpretation of the film. Asking that it have the same focuses as the original story seems like an unfair assessment when it's not trying to be a literal interpretation of it at all. As mentioned, I think specifically what they achieved with the "mother" character at the beginning who comes back at the end to have her story revealed is beautiful and special, and something that absolutely does not appear in the The Lion King story whatsoever. It's these added elements that shifts the story to Beyoncé's gaze and her use of the story. Black is King was able to achieve a lot at once, I think. It spoke about, honoured and celebrated the immense beautify of African culture, it told the story of the Lion King in its own way by expanding on the theme of the circle of life and used it as a philosophical reference point to give us a story that was not linear but circular and even hard to understand. And I think that's part of its genius. It's layered use of past, present, future as well as traditional storytelling and added elements can be confusing and overstimulating, but I think that's part of the intention. imo it's her greatest visual album. Edited April 29 by swissman
kimberly Posted April 29 Posted April 29 4 hours ago, tachiwaka said: and the real gag is that if you're calling Kacey for a collab, you could have called T Swizzle instead. let's talk about that for a page or two because the girls are not that different. yet among her 11 studio albums not a single one that can hold a candle to Golden Hour yes Kacey makes vanilla music but it's prime vanilla bean honey. songwriting, melodies, lyricism, VOICE 1 1
Blue Rose Posted April 29 Posted April 29 This can't be worse than the first movie where half of the hate was because people wanted to stick it to Disney. Some were saying they wanted an original story, so here we are. This is going to be a Lion King Christmas with a billion dollars gross 2
satellites.™ Posted April 29 Posted April 29 Beyoncé's 'Black Is King' attracts less than 4% of Disney+ users on debut weekend. https://finance.yahoo.com/video/beyonc-black-king-attracts-less-185639775.html
Kristie Kuwa Posted April 29 Posted April 29 Lets focus on the real fun things: 2 Most Wanted still isn't moving up on the charts
Space&Time Posted April 29 Posted April 29 This is not a big deal for us, at all. Most of us won't probably watch the Lion King in theaters. Yesterday we had no Cowboy Carter promo, and today the fact remains. What's the problem?
Blue Rose Posted April 29 Posted April 29 4 hours ago, tachiwaka said: and the real gag is that if you're calling Kacey for a collab, you could have called T Swizzle instead. let's talk about that for a page or two because the girls are not that different. This might be the worst post I've ever seen on atrl
swissman Posted April 29 Posted April 29 1 minute ago, satellites.™ said: Beyoncé's 'Black Is King' attracts less than 4% of Disney+ users on debut weekend. https://finance.yahoo.com/video/beyonc-black-king-attracts-less-185639775.html And?
swissman Posted April 29 Posted April 29 a lot of you are clearly chart hive and don't want to admit it, but Beyoncé is about to add to her already bonkers box office grosses... you should be happy about that.
Lose My Breath Posted April 29 Posted April 29 3 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said: Lets focus on the real fun things: 2 Most Wanted still isn't moving up on the charts Bad callouts, too
Cbreezy Posted April 29 Posted April 29 2 minutes ago, Blue Rose said: This can't be worse than the first movie where half of the hate was because people wanted to stick it to Disney. Some were saying they wanted an original story, so here we are. This is going to be a Lion King Christmas with a billion dollars gross This! Again, context is everything. But a lot of people take a black and white approach to these things. It's either, everyone is fuming (with little consideration as to "why") so __insert movie/show/album___ must be "bad" OR "everyone is raving so it must be amazing". Like you said, this new film stands to arrive in a much more welcoming climate on the merit of being an original story. I always felt the "return" to The Lion King story should have come via a prequel first. Just in terms of being more compelling and Bey having more flexibility in terms of her creative contribution. But I see how Disney's hands were probably tied. You can't return to a story without reminding a whole new generation of said story. The reboot was the foundation from which everything else can sping from moving forward. We all critique a lot of these companies, but sometimes on occasion it's kinda clear to see the strategy playing out. 1
Space&Time Posted April 29 Posted April 29 Just now, Space&Time said: This is not a big deal for us, at all. Most of us won't probably watch the Lion King in theaters. Yesterday we had no Cowboy Carter promo, and today the fact remains. What's the problem? In 2022 we had no Renaissance Promo, and today have no Cowboy Carter promo. In 2022 we had no Renaissance visual, and today have no Cowboy Carter visual. In 2022 Renaissance was left to die, and today Cowboy Carter has been left to die. In 2022 it was clear Giselle gave two f#~s about streaming numbers, and today it is clear that Giselle gives two f#~s about streaming numbers. Wake it up.
QueenB Posted April 29 Posted April 29 7 minutes ago, Blue Rose said: This can't be worse than the first movie where half of the hate was because people wanted to stick it to Disney. Some were saying they wanted an original story, so here we are. This is going to be a Lion King Christmas with a billion dollars gross The Lion King made so much money because the original movie was beloved and there weren't many live action remakes. People do NOT like the live action remakes now, the little mermaid couldnt even get $600 million. I don't see this movie making more than the little mermaid unless it is REALLY good. 1
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