ClashAndBurn Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, Kassi said: Hmm. Maybe I'm wrong. Do you have a favorite AOC or Bernie bill that changed your life? Maybe you should worry more about Beto being 8 points behind in Tejas.
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: Oh, gosh no, the Ice Cream Baron, her buddy Chuck, and Joe “I have no sympathy for young people” Biden would absolutely never risk anything like that getting brought to a vote, passed by both sides of Congress, and signed by the President. Serious attempts at progress are frowned upon and most Democrats would vote no on anything that the vast majority of the country supports anyway! Ok, that was a bit unfair. Let me try something more in their ballpark: Do you have a favorite post office Bernie renamed? Or a favorite "No" vote AOC cast in protest? No use in making this about things not being brought to a vote. Lauren Underwood regularly tweets about the legislation she introduces/sponsors/passes. Ditto Joe Neguse, Colin Allred, Lucy McBath and the list goes on. It might work on some other uninformed leftist, but you're not making a dent here where the facts are laid bare.
i spit on haters Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 48 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: The way DeSantis is going to end up being the most popular president of the modern era, all while our rights get eroded systematically and we become Gilead. And Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer are doing nothing to prevent this backslide into oblivion. What a disastrous, failed country we live in. A article recently came out that many within the GOP were even surprised with how little of a fight that the Dems put up in trying to stop Republicans from overturning Roe Vs. Wade. This has been long in the making, as you know, as we all do. And well before Trump took office. So this isn't solely on Trump, either. Weird how it's always a bite behind their barks when dealing with leftists but never with republicans. It's...almost as if they view leftists as a more sinister threat to the establishment and democracy rather than republicans.
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 Speaking of ClashAndBurn, I've come to see them as one of the clearer thinkers in this thread. We may not agree on ANYTHING, but they've never tried to dress up their nihilist disposition in moral righteous. They just hate Democrats (and other politicians?) on principle and I can respect that. That said, thoughts on Joe Manchin being right about inflation, @ClashAndBurn? Kind of surprised me too, but I wonder where Dems would be now if he had let Bernie and AOCs original BBB go thru.
Cruel Summer Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kassi said: Ok, that was a bit unfair. Let me try something more in their ballpark: Do you have a favorite post office Bernie renamed? Or a favorite "No" vote AOC cast in protest? No use in making this about things not being brought to a vote. Lauren Underwood regularly tweets about the legislation she introduces/sponsors/passes. Ditto Joe Neguse, Colin Allred, Lucy McBath and the list goes on. It might work on some other uninformed leftist, but you're not making a dent here where the facts are laid bare. Since we’re clearly not in the business of considering things like “context” here, I decline to respond and I once again offer to Google some images of AOC in a trendy chic pantsuit! Maybe if she commits a war crime or two? Would that help?
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 Me and the girlies looking back at the time before inflation when the $3.5 trillion dollar BBB passed the House and leftists told us MMT would save us
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 Also this is... Quote Weird how it's always a bite behind their barks when dealing with leftists but never with republicans. It's...almost as if they view leftists as a more sinister threat to the establishment and democracy rather than republicans. Peak delusion.I mean it's not like there's a whole committee dedicated to dragging Republicans across the national landscape or anything. But not surprised considering who it's coming from. Unfortunately not every user in here has all their lightbulbs on.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 If we're stanning pantsuits now, then no one's looked hotter in one (and Steyer agrees ) The neolibs at the New York Times really embarrassed themselves with their pantsuit analysis, huh? Invented ruthlessness
ClashAndBurn Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kassi said: Speaking of ClashAndBurn, I've come to see them as one of the clearer thinkers in this thread. We may not agree on ANYTHING, but they've never tried to dress up their nihilist disposition in moral righteous. They just hate Democrats (and other politicians?) on principle and I can respect that. That said, thoughts on Joe Manchin being right about inflation, @ClashAndBurn? Kind of surprised me too, but I wonder where Dems would be now if he had let Bernie and AOCs original BBB go thru. Manchin being “right” on inflation? Girlie, he blamed it on social spending when there were trillions of dollars poured into the Stock Market by the Fed in order to protect Donald Trump from looking bad. The same fed chair that Biden decided to keep even though he was a Trump-appointed political hack. The majority of the rest of inflationary costs come from supply chain disruptions, Biden’s proxy war with Russia, and MBS being insulted at Biden calling him a pariah for his butchery of Jamal Khashoggi. Social spending in the form of means-tested crumbs to workers has had very little influence on GLOBAL INFLATION. Manchin is an absolute moron, and you are extremely dishonest by promoting him as being “right” Edited July 1, 2022 by ClashAndBurn
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 33 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Manchin being “right” on inflation? Girlie, he blamed it on social spending when there were trillions of dollars poured into the Stock Market by the Fed in order to protect Donald Trump from looking bad. The same fed chair that Biden decided to keep even though he was a Trump-appointed political hack. The majority of the rest of inflationary costs come from supply chain disruptions, Biden’s proxy war with Russia, and MBS being insulted at Biden calling him a pariah for his butchery of Jamal Khashoggi. Social spending in the form of means-tested crumbs to workers has had very little influence on GLOBAL INFLATION. Manchin is an absolute moron, and you are extremely dishonest by promoting him as being “right” It’s not about dishonesty or w/e. I don’t even like Manchin. It just the simple fact that BBB would have made inflation even worse (by accident no doubt, but still worse) in the States by exacerbating the demand-driven crisis we have today as a result of those other things you listed. So as the resident inflation spokesman in this thread, particularity in sounding the alarm that recent political developments won’t bring Dems back from the brink due to economic woes, I was just wondering if you thought they had dodged an even bigger bullet due to Manchin’s intransigence?
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 Like I said, even EYE am surprised anything he was worried about came to fruition cause I was firmly in the MMT, money printer go “Brrrr!” camp. But now I’m like… wait… maybe he made some points about waiting to see if the economy cooled off before jumping to another huge social spending package. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, I guess.
ClashAndBurn Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, Kassi said: Like I said, even EYE am surprised anything he was worried about came to fruition cause I was firmly in the MMT, money printer go “Brrrr!” camp. But now I’m like… wait… maybe he made some points about waiting to see if the economy cooled off before jumping to another huge social spending package. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, I guess. This was also all before Biden made inflation worse by sanctioning Russia and engaging in a proxy war to the last Ukrainian, but go off king! Biden really said “**** your pocketbooks, we gotta go engage in another forever war” and thinks he’ll be rewarded with re-election in 2024.
Communion Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kassi said: Hmm. Maybe I'm wrong. Do you have a favorite AOC or Bernie bill that changed your life? You tried this already months ago. You got told his keystone veterans bill and then dodged the fact that nearly all of Pelosi's achievements in Congress on the same criteria are - wait for it - post offices. Nancy Pelosi has not written a single piece of significant legislation in her life. This is the part where you try to play dumb and be like "that's cause a queen is rallying the troops successfully instead. " and then we all roll out eyes and know deep down you're doing this nonsense cause you hate poor people. Edited July 1, 2022 by Communion
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, Communion said: You tried this already months ago. You got told his keystone veterans bill and then dodged the fact that nearly all of Pelosi's achievements in Congress on the same criteria are - wait for it - post offices. Nancy Pelosi has not written a single piece of significant legislation in her life. This is the part where you try to play dumb and be like "that's cause a queen is rallying the troops successfully instead. " and then we all roll out eyes and know deep down you're doing this nonsense cause you hate poor people. Oof
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: This was also all before Biden made inflation worse by sanctioning Russia and engaging in a proxy war to the last Ukrainian, but go off king! Biden really said “**** your pocketbooks, we gotta go engage in another forever war” and thinks he’ll be rewarded with re-election in 2024. Honestly, tea. Looking at overall inflation, which include food and energy prices Russian oil/Ukraine agriculture are certainly a huge part of the story. But even just looking at core inflation, which doesn’t include food and energy, the demand-side factors are a significant component. In addition to a bunch of negative supply shocks, we also overshot the target on demand. And Bernie’s/AOC’s $3.5 trillion BBB would have made it about 10x worse by spiking inflation for the sake of creating a swath of short-term programs. Thereby, creating a political backlash that would ensure the programs weren’t expanded after being phased out. I know it HURTS to admit. But yeah, Manchin kind of saved progressives from their worst impulses. At least now, we can diffuse the blame across a litany of external factors while claiming the ARP had nothing to do with it because the programs were temporary and them no longer applying should slow the roll of inflation. Is it so hard to admit that Manchin was right in this one case and progressives were caught off guard by inflation?
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, Communion said: You tried this already months ago. You got told his keystone veterans bill and then dodged the fact that nearly all of Pelosi's achievements in Congress on the same criteria are - wait for it - post offices. Nancy Pelosi has not written a single piece of significant legislation in her life. This is the part where you try to play dumb and be like "that's cause a queen is rallying the troops successfully instead. " and then we all roll out eyes and know deep down you're doing this nonsense cause you hate poor people. There’s no “same” criteria. They operate at different scales. Pelosi purposely got into leadership to DRIVE the legislation process, not just participate in it. Something Bernie himself said he could NEVER do. Everything that’s passed the House floor is Nancy’s orchestration. So don’t ever compare Bernie to Nancy, he’s NOT on the level. Those are just the facts.
Cruel Summer Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 Nancy can drive however much she wants, but the point is that there are no wheels on this god-forsaken ice cream truck!
Communion Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 31 minutes ago, Kassi said: Thereby, creating a political backlash that would ensure the programs weren’t expanded after being phased out You mean like what happened to Biden's extended unemployment, expanded child tax credit and free school lunch program? Oh no, thank god all we were conservative with spending so those programs are still ar--
Communion Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 28 minutes ago, Kassi said: There’s no “same” criteria. 4 hours ago, Kassi said: bill written by *blinks*
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 ^girl, we’re saying all of that would have caused MORE inflation. Keep up! Manchin giving Dems a fighting chance in Nov by rejecting radical leftist policies at a particularly vulnerable time is hilarious to think about.
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, Communion said: *blinks* It’s a matter of participation. If you’re not going to lead the process, or vote no on a litany of bills your caucus agrees on, then the least you can do is come up with something… anything. Where I come from, we HATE do nothing legislators.
ClashAndBurn Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 43 minutes ago, Kassi said: core inflation, which doesn’t include food and energy How do goods get transported from place to place? With... energy, yes? The cost of transporting goods has a direct relationship to the cost of fuels used for transporting them. Ergo, you can't divorce energy cost from inflation because it goes hand in hand.
Kassi Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: How do goods get transported from place to place? With... energy, yes? The cost of transporting goods has a direct relationship to the cost of fuels used for transporting them. Ergo, you can't divorce energy cost from inflation because it goes hand in hand. That’s not how that works. The consensus by economist and their modeling is clear. The purpose of core inflation index is to control for things like we’re seeing now where oil prices change due to geopolitical events or food prices change due to consumer preferences or yield fluctuations (i.e. in a bad crop year). https://www.frbsf.org/education/publications/doctor-econ/2004/october/core-inflation-headline/ Anyway, all this is getting a bit too in the weeds. Just admit Manchin was right. Will make you more credible in future disputes.
Communion Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, Kassi said: It’s a matter of participation Serving "NANCY PELOSI IS THE AMENDMENT QUEEN!! STOP LAUGHING!!!" kjnkn you down and out BAD. Failure doesn't look good on you sis.
Communion Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kassi said: That’s not how that works. The consensus by economist and their modeling is clear. The purpose of core inflation index is control for things like we’re seeing now where oil prices change due to geopolitical events or food prices change due to consumer preferences or yield fluctuations (i.e. in a bad crop year). https://www.frbsf.org/education/publications/doctor-econ/2004/october/core-inflation-headline/ Anyway, all this is getting too into the weeds. Just admit Manchin was right. Will make you a more credible in future disputes. Centrists six months ago: Voters will be thanking Biden come 2022 for ending childhood hunger. Centrist now that Biden is tanking: Manchin was right! **** them ungrateful fat ass kids!!! You really can't outrun it, sis. Even the more liberal members who have spent years defending centrists as good people and giving them the benefit of the doubt feel like your centrist ideology has destroyed our country.
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