fan base Beyoncé

[alien superstore]

17 minutes ago, R.E.M. said:

A lot of big artists (e.g., Mariah, Madonna, Whitney, Shania, Celine, Prince, Aretha) still kept up public appearances during the transition to their 'legacy' era with press tours and interviews, live performances, red carpets, etc. so the reason that Bey is absent because she's a "legend" is a copout. 

 

Ultimately, the silence is hurting her career. When people think of Beyoncé, they think of boundary-pushing live performances, high budget music videos, fashion moments, etc., all of which happen in the public eye. This is especially true in an industry as oversaturated as the music business where it's important to be seen to stay relevant.

Completely agree. All Beyonce would have needed to stay relevant and 'hot' over the last few months was ONE great music video. Literally just one, where she showcases the new Cowboy Carter alter ego, some personality, and teases the larger visual project. 

 

She's messing up her own legacy at this point by effectively surrendering into 'old-tier' territory despite having a multi-week number one lead hit only a few weeks ago

[BGKC]

11 hours ago, Parachutes said:

If y'all had to pick, what would you say is the quintessential song from each of Bey's albums? As in one that best encapsulates its sound and themes (not necessarily the strongest track) 

DIL: Me Myself and I (the album is more R&B/slow jam focused despite the lead being more upbeat and epic) 

 

B'Day: Get Me Bodied (The album is loud, upbeat and campy. GMB sounds like an anthem for it) 

 

IASF: Radio (it's a little corny, but cute and has that blend of that I Am (lyrically) and the more futuristic, up beat Sasha Fierce side (instrumentally) 

 

4: Love On Top (it's a timeless, soulful and vocally matured record and LOT showcases that to a T. RTW as a lead was so misleading, but a career staple nonetheless) 

 

ST: Ghost/Haunted (it's a visual album and Ghost/Haunted feels like the centerpiece, showcasing a more experimental, sexy and dark side to her which represents the album as a whole)

 

Lem: Don't Hurt Yourself (it's an album that's mostly about forgiving your partners infidelity and DHY is where her rage peaks. Most who go through such would more than likely resonate most to that type of response as opposed to her songs of forgiveness and acceptance) 

 

Rennie: Pure/Honey (She used this as a teaser for good reason, it sets the tone for what it is. A flamboyant, dance focused house and ballroom inspired record) 

 

CC: American Requiem (The way the albums it starts and ends with this makes it an obvious choice. It also immediately allows the listener to understand that it's not just a country album, but more about her experience as a country girl unapologetically navigating her way through the different genres, reminding people that it all started with black America) 

Edited August 16 by BGKC

[Kristie Kuwa]

36 minutes ago, alien superstore said:

Completely agree. All Beyonce would have needed to stay relevant and 'hot' over the last few months was ONE great music video. Literally just one, where she showcases the new Cowboy Carter alter ego, some personality, and teases the larger visual project. 

 

She's messing up her own legacy at this point by effectively surrendering into 'old-tier' territory despite having a multi-week number one lead hit only a few weeks ago

The biggest issue is: Her "eras" feel like flukes - big debuts, and then fast fade. Shes basically become what she's always criticized, only in her case its with her albums (which is even worse tbh)

[Mitsouko]

So basically Jay said hey if I'm fading into irrelevancy so are you. Here's the plan: and she was like okay cool

[TipToe]

55 minutes ago, Mitsouko said:

So basically Jay said hey if I'm fading into irrelevancy so are you. Here's the plan: and she was like okay cool

I don't believe that for one second but let's imagine he really tried to influence her in such manner: it would have been just an external validation to her own long time plan. Didn't she once said back in the days that she dreamed of having a family and retiring before her 40's?

[RedOne]

1 hour ago, Mitsouko said:

So basically Jay said hey if I'm fading into irrelevancy so are you. Here's the plan: and she was like okay cool

Idk about irrelevancy, but making herself a luxury, exclusive & elusive artist and making as much money as she can right now is kinda giving Jay ngl. But they've been together for so long, I don't even think he needs to tell her that.

 

I've been stanning her for while now, so it's been hard for me to reconcile the person, the visual artist and a performer I thought she was, with the person that she is now, that does not even care to release 1 music video for us or do a performance. She just occasionally throws products at us to buy and that's it. We at least had the knee excuse during the Renaissance era as the reason she was not doing anything, but what is her excuse now? She might as well release Act III and retire if she is not planning to do anything with it either, there is no point in waiting until 2025 or whatever.

[Kristie Kuwa]

31 minutes ago, RedOne said:

Idk about irrelevancy, but making herself a luxury, exclusive & elusive artist and making as much money as she can right now is kinda giving Jay ngl. But they've been together for so long, I don't even think he needs to tell her that.

 

I've been stanning her for while now, so it's been hard for me to reconcile the person, the visual artist and a performer I thought she was, with the person that she is now, that does not even care to release 1 music video for us or do a performance. She just occasionally throws products at us to buy and that's it. We at least had the knee excuse during the Renaissance era as the reason she was not doing anything, but what is her excuse now? She might as well release Act III and retire if she is not planning to do anything with it either, there is no point in waiting until 2025 or whatever.

Exactly. Give us Act 3 this fall/winter, go on your world tour to the US and Europe next year and call it a day tbh

[brutal]

48 minutes ago, RedOne said:

Idk about irrelevancy, but making herself a luxury, exclusive & elusive artist and making as much money as she can right now is kinda giving Jay ngl. 

 

Do not blame Jay for her behaviour. He has NEVER been that type of "exclusive and elusive" artist. He stays doing interviews and I've even seen him doing khia Twitter spaces  And do we not all remember when even he had the business acumen to not make 4:44 a Tidal exclusive and put it on Apple Music? 

Her current choices to be a hermit are 100% her own decision. 

[Draper.]

Why do you want her to retire because you are not enjoying the fan experience?   Nobody is forcing you to stan lol

[Joaco95]

Renaissance World Tour truly is I Am... Tour lil sis, them both her kuntiest tours 

[Likingstars]

Which song do you think young Bey sounds better on compared to current Bey?  For me it's Survivor. The performance at FWT does nothing for me meanwhile…  

 

 
 

[Kingdom]

4 hours ago, R.E.M. said:

A lot of big artists (e.g., Mariah, Madonna, Whitney, Shania, Celine, Prince, Aretha) still kept up public appearances during the transition to their 'legacy' era with press tours and interviews, live performances, red carpets, etc. so the reason that Bey is absent because she's a "legend" is a copout. 

 

Ultimately, the silence is hurting her career. When people think of Beyoncé, they think of boundary-pushing live performances, high budget music videos, fashion moments, etc., all of which happen in the public eye. This is especially true in an industry as oversaturated as the music business where it's important to be seen to stay relevant.

The silence isn't hurting her career in any way........Everybody literally knows of her 3 act project, they know she has something else coming. She has set that up really well. 

[Kingdom]

1 hour ago, Draper. said:

Why do you want her to retire because you are not enjoying the fan experience?   Nobody is forcing you to stan lol

Literally this...TAYLOR is right there with her 3848488448 album versions

[TizTiz]

I don't think she'll retire anytime soon. I believe her personal life isn't that inspiring anymore and traveling the world, creating new memories with her children and her friends is where she's forced to draw so much inspiration now.
 

Her last two album have drawn more so on experiences not exclusive to the 'now', but things that have happened years ago and how it shaped a particular nostalgia memory she could live within without the pain, and they've been stellar albums. Even "LEMONADE" was crafted into the album we know AFTER she made peace and moved on with her life, knowing the cheating rumors had been a thing since 2013. 
 

Through out these events becoming musical experience, the music birthed visual ideas that she felt she needed to get out more than the music.
 

All of this being said, there will always be something for her to draw from to make music. She's forced herself to focus on making albums, rather than singles, and that has helped her in the long run, despite her purposely ruining the reception of the album. It'll be interesting to see where her inspiration takes her next- for whatever reason, I can vividly imagine more songs sonically like "Plastic off The Sofa" & "Virgo's Groove", because they felt so authentic to who she's always been. But, there's not point in retiring when all she'll do is think about music and think about videos, it's part of her life now. 
 

She could ultimately end up like Kelly and unreasonably record music to do nothing with. 

[R.E.M.]

2 hours ago, Kingdom said:

The silence isn't hurting her career in any way........Everybody literally knows of her 3 act project, they know she has something else coming. She has set that up really well. 

BB200:

Renaissance - OUT

Cowboy Carter - #79 (-1)

 

 

 

[RedOne]

4 hours ago, Draper. said:

Why do you want her to retire because you are not enjoying the fan experience?   Nobody is forcing you to stan lol

I do not want her to retire, she is retiring herself. There is no "fan experience" to speak of. We've been going back and forth between doing rankings and complaining since the album came out and she's been basically MIA.

Edited August 16 by RedOne

[Draper.]

29 minutes ago, RedOne said:

I do not want her to retire, she is retiring herself. There is no "fan experience" to speak of. We've been going back and forth between doing rankings and complaining since the album came out and she's been basically MIA.

She's a musician and she released 2 (great) albums in the past two years. She might not give any fan experience, but I'm still taking the music over the fan experience. Otherwise, I'd be a swiftie.

Edited August 16 by Draper.

[yonsé]

20 hours ago, Parachutes said:

If y'all had to pick, what would you say is the quintessential song from each of Bey's albums? As in one that best encapsulates its sound and themes (not necessarily the strongest track) 

Dangerously in Love: Crazy in Love (throwback sample. Lots of 70s throwback samples throughout the entire album)

 

B'Day: Get Me Bodied (loud. Real instrumentation. New singing style for B that shows the strength of her chest voice)

 

IASF: Sweet Dreams (precise, more modern production than her previous albums, catchy pop hooks)

 

4: Dance for You (controversial choice I know. But it showcases the modern take on 90s rnb babyface feel she was trying to go for and is the start of her 5:00+ musical thesis projects)

 

Self-Titled: Yoncé/Partition (sexual liberation, talking her ****, this is Beyoncé at her most confident, which is the thesis of ST, also 5mins+)

 

Lemonade: Formation (New Orleans was the centerpiece of the film and this was a love letter to NOLA)

 

Renaissance: Virgo's Groove (Beyoncé's definitive disco tune, she finally takes all the Diana/Donna/Prince inspiration and turns it into what is essentially her thesis project in 70s music studies)

 

Cowboy Carter: YA YA (see: Renaissance, except this is her definitive Rock n Roll tune where she tributes Tina Turner and Patti)

Edited August 16 by yonsé

[cuteboyzay]

The way Die With A Smile should've been for Bey!!! 
 

It sounds great with Gaga but the song would've felt like such a MOMENT if Bey were on it.

[ScorpiosGroove]

where the hell is she ? 

 

[BeyBronts]

10 hours ago, R.E.M. said:

A lot of big artists (e.g., Mariah, Madonna, Whitney, Shania, Celine, Prince, Aretha) still kept up public appearances during the transition to their 'legacy' era with press tours and interviews, live performances, red carpets, etc. so the reason that Bey is absent because she's a "legend" is a copout. 

 

Ultimately, the silence is hurting her career. When people think of Beyoncé, they think of boundary-pushing live performances, high budget music videos, fashion moments, etc., all of which happen in the public eye. This is especially true in an industry as oversaturated as the music business where it's important to be seen to stay relevant.

I agree, and I didn't say that the way she's handling things right now was best for her career. The fact we don't have one visual for any of the singles is crazy, and not a day goes by where I don't think about it. 

 

I was more so commenting on what's happening in the industry outside from what she is/isn't doing. There is also room for the conversation that even if she did all of the above promotional efforts, she still might not reach the same level of success/relevancy - and for whatever reason, it's clear she doesn't want that. Bey wants to let others shine at the moment and doesn't seem concerned if she's hurting her legacy. I'm really sad that this is the way it is, but I will always take quality music over everything else. In the meantime, I am enjoying exploring other new artists 

[Punch]

1 hour ago, cuteboyzay said:

The way Die With A Smile should've been for Bey!!! 
 

It sounds great with Gaga but the song would've felt like such a MOMENT if Bey were on it.

Gagas vocal delivery on Ballads ( in gen ) is very one dimensional also she lacks dynamics in my opinion . B would have made in interesting

[Chris]

19 hours ago, Lovett said:

I'm good! ATRL just got a bit too toxic for me, so needed to take a big break. I wasn't planning on returning now, but I've been reading the election thread as a guest and they've just turned off guests. So I had to log back in! Thank you for checking in on me. Hope you're all well!

Glad to see you're doing well.

[Chris]

I just can't see Beyonce retiring yet.

 

And she shouldn't.

 

 

[BGKC]

Bey is long overdue for a smash ballad. Especially as a matured, star rated vocalist who's constantly being undermined (vocally). It would almost guarantee her a global smash and put Halo to shame. A rock ballad in particular would be epic for her next lead.