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[ScorpiosGroove]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

You forget how EIL and TG performed and what was said of her career... It's the same thing that happened in Europe with RWT. They did not expect that demand and that's why they did way less shows then they could. They did not expect Renaissance to be so well received. They did not expect it to not resonate with fans, they just didn't know that it would be so well received outside her fan base and that the tour would do so much. There was no way of knowing what was coming. She just decided to do more for her fans. And don't forget that she had an injury and had to film and rehearse while hurting. She even started the tour with safe heels. Also, we don't know what is really happening in her life. I don't know anything about Parkwood though

 

If you guys don't like what she's doing, than stop paying her

But those are not solo albums ? they aren’t something any fan asked for nor wanted either, you really don’t have to be Albert Einstein to know that a mid collab album with her husband (who she outed as a cheater and made the world hate not even 2 years earlier ) under a new name, with neither of them on the cover would flop x10. Same for the badly promoted Disney soundtrack full of people no one knew, a genre that isn’t mainstream & made for a kids movie aka NOT Beyoncé’s demographic. 

 

If you work for the biggest performer’s first solo tour in 7 years, after a 2 year long event / concert drought and don’t expect that a freaking BEYONCÉ concert is gonna have huge demand and you don’t plan accordingly, you’re simply an airhead. 

 

I can give her some grace since she also thought ST would flop and creative people always doubt themselves, but if you work on Beyoncé’s team, hear a perfectly crafted, dance-pop heavy album like Renaissance and think it will not be that well received, especially with songs like Cuff It that ride the trendy disco-pop wave, you should be fired. Immediately lol. 

[sillycilla]

Yvette/Parkwood kept teasing in the beginning that this was going to be a masterclass in promo and album rollout. They then disappeared because they wanted to give fans more? Nah that  makes no sense.

 

They dropped the ball once again and fumbled another era.  No one at Parkwood is good at marketing lol 

Edited September 1, 2023 by sillycilla

[Bicassie]

atleast we now know what went wrong with the visuals 

Edited September 1, 2023 by Bicassie

[Demiboyx]

Hearing all of this tea about Parkwood fumbling again just let’s me know that she’s not in good hands, she needs to reshuffle the entire org just like she did for her creative/touring team.

 

The fact that the thought she was gonna flop, just setting my sister up for failure is just…

[Cbreezy]

21 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You forget how EIL and TG performed and what was said of her career... It's the same thing that happened in Europe with RWT. They did not expect that demand and that's why they did way less shows then they could. They did not expect Renaissance to be so well received. They did not expect it to not resonate with fans, they just didn't know that it would be so well received outside her fan base and that the tour would do so much. There was no way of knowing what was coming. She just decided to do more for her fans. And don't forget that she had an injury and had to film and rehearse while hurting. She even started the tour with safe heels. Also, we don't know what is really happening in her life. I don't know anything about Parkwood though

 

If you guys don't like what she's doing, than stop paying her

 

2 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

But those are not solo albums ? they aren’t something any fan asked for nor wanted either, you really don’t have to be Albert Einstein to know that a mid collab album with her husband (who she outed as a cheater and made the world hate not even 2 years earlier ) under a new name, with neither of them on the cover would flop x10. Same for the badly promoted Disney soundtrack full of people no one knew, a genre that isn’t mainstream & made for a kids movie aka NOT Beyoncé’s demographic. 

 

If you work for the biggest performer’s first solo tour in 7 years, after a 2 year long event / concert drought and don’t expect that a freaking BEYONCÉ concert is gonna have huge demand and you don’t plan accordingly, you’re simply an airhead. 

 

I can give her some grace since she also thought ST would flop and creative people always doubt themselves, but if you work on Beyoncé’s team, hear a perfectly crafted, dance-pop heavy album like Renaissance and think it will not be that well received, especially with songs like Cuff It that ride the trendy disco-pop wave, you should be fired. Immediately lol. 

I kinda get aspects of both sentiments. 

 

Let's not be revisionist: sis was factually against the ropes heading into Rennie. As much as she "didn't promote" The Gift or EIL, she got the wake-up call of life with those first week and overall numbers. There's a certain automatedness that should come with the name BEYONCE commercially and those projects were not showing that. The Gift especially was most concerning because not only did she go wide with the all-at-once release on platforms, they even played the streaming game of putting Mood 4 Eva on TTH on Spotify...all for...crickets. 

 

I say this to say, there were no guarantees that there would have been "as much" hoopla around Rennie as there ended up being. IMO, it probs is why the plan (per various insiders) was that all the acts would have been out by the tour. She'll always get a certain amount of launch buzz because she's Beyonce, but having more Acts in her arsenal is a smart way to reheat her hype if things started to wane with the preceding act. I also still theorize (perhaps delusionally) that they've conceived some savvy way for the acts to count towards the same album (Justin's 20/20 style), so even if Rennie underperformed, the follow-up would effectively "add" to the sales to get her to the "expected" Beyonce sales milestones (Platinum, 2x Platinum etc(.

 

Rennie for sure sounded more commercial, but you've got to remember this is an artist that doesn't want to promote in the conventional sense nor did she have any videos ready to go. And for that reason, there were no guarantees..even with the "first solo album in 7 years" hype...that she was coming to sell. 

 

Music and music industry is not a meritocracy. Good music flops for many reasons all the time. Rennie simply being amazing is not "enough" to ensure it would be successful. 

So, IMO, it's not a Parkwood thing. 

 

What I'm most confused/concerned about is the backstories around both BIK and now Ren seems to see her starting off doing a video here, a video here, and then either retroactively or in post-production attempting to tie it all together. I get that she's a creative and maybe feels compelled to follow her impulsive instincts. But surely we wouldn't end up in scenarios like this if she systematically: recorded an album, conceived its visual treatment, hired an overarching director to execute it, and had it ready to roll around release or shortly after. Maybe she did, but there's been a clear ball drop somewhere. 

[Blue Rose]

They were filming the BMS video the week of the album release. And didn’t they clear all the samples at the very last minute? They also failed to restock the boxes and the vinyls before the album release which definitely took a lot of sales away. She spent 3 years working on the album but screwed it all up by the most unprofessional rollout known to man. But her tour is breaking records so in her mind she did everything ***flawlessly 

Edited September 1, 2023 by Blue Rose

[Blue Rose]

the insider is saying he has more tea coming. Im guessing we are about to get something official soon so Bey can control the narrative.

the tea about Nadia directing is believable given the note she got from Bey and the fact that many Parkwood employees are following her.

at the point, if any footage leaks, I will buy the screen time in Times Square myself and spread the leak

[Cbreezy]

I know we love Bey, but we can't keep blaming Parkwood when she heads it up lol.

 

There for sure likely are things out of anyone's control, things we don't know that may change the whole course of these convos, and some things that are about business that sit outside any of our pay grades.

 

BUT... I think it's a slight stan cop-out constantly keep dragging Parkwood when everyone there answers to...Beyonce . 

 

Our girl has ushered in this new management structure. Back in the day, the conventional "manager" controls the ship and nets 20%+ of the artist's earnings. Bey has done away with that. She has installed "general managers / head of operations", put them on annual salaries (rather than earned commission), and has them effectively report to the CEO (aka her).

 

It's really really really(!) smart, is the future for big artists, and is yet another angle that Bey has innovated with. Literally, since Bey set up Parkwood, Rihanna, Taylor Swift, Bruno Mars, and now Ariana have all done the same. But it has downsides like what we're seeing now with the visuals. 

 

A traditional manager of the Mathew, Scooter Braun ilk bring a certain market objectivity that the artist who is busy being the artist can't really deny nor compete with. Similarly, a super objective person who somewhat independently calls the shots (rather than being salaried by their CEO-artist) is more likely to circumvent situations like this than salaried staff who have to go along with whatever potentially ridiculous approach the artist-CEO is pushing.  

 

All of this may be pointless if a deal is locked and loaded. And, on a good day, her setup may work perfectly. But IMO I don't think Parkwood should be the automatic source of blame in place of her.

[Jon Snow]

That fanbase is attacking Beyoncé in threads about their fave, with a minimal number of Beyoncé stans engaging. When there are Beyoncé threads about her success, they are full of replies from them. 

 

Stay away from them and not talking about their fave would be the best 

[Demiboyx]

5 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

I know we love Bey, but we can't keep blaming Parkwood when she heads it up lol.

 

There for sure likely are things out of anyone's control, things we don't know that may change the whole course of these convos, and some things that are about business that sit outside any of our pay grades.

 

BUT... I think it's a slight stan cop-out constantly keep dragging Parkwood when everyone there answers to...Beyonce . 

 

Our girl has ushered in this new management structure. Back in the day, the conventional "manager" controls the ship and nets 20%+ of the artist's earnings. Bey has done away with that. She has installed "general managers / head of operations", put them on annual salaries (rather than earned commission), and has them effectively report to the CEO (aka her).

 

It's really really really(!) smart, is the future for big artists, and is yet another angle that Bey has innovated with. Literally, since Bey set up Parkwood, Rihanna, Taylor Swift, Bruno Mars, and now Ariana have all done the same. But it has downsides like what we're seeing now with the visuals. 

 

A traditional manager of the Mathew, Scooter Braun ilk bring a certain market objectivity that the artist who is busy being the artist can't really deny nor compete with. Similarly, a super objective person who somewhat independently calls the shots (rather than being salaried by their CEO-artist) is more likely to circumvent situations like this than salaried staff who have to go along with whatever potentially ridiculous approach the artist-CEO is pushing.  

 

All of this may be pointless if a deal is locked and loaded. And, on a good day, her setup may work perfectly. But IMO I don't think Parkwood should be the automatic source of blame in place of her.

Marketing and roll out is definitely in Parkwoods realm of control. They could have gauged interest by having a staggered rollout, singles, EPs etc, could have shopped deals before the album was released.

 

She heads Parkwood but if it had competent people that are able to back their rationale with proof and numbers, I’m sure she’d pay attention.

 

 

[Cbreezy]

13 minutes ago, Demiboyx said:

Marketing and roll out is definitely in Parkwoods realm of control. They could have gauged interest by having a staggered rollout, singles, EPs etc, could have shopped deals before the album was released.

 

She heads Parkwood but if it had competent people that are able to back their rationale with proof and numbers, I’m sure she’d pay attention.

 

 

Respectfully...nah. 

 

Not professing to know it all, but as someone who has been hugely interested in the backend of Bey's operations since she came out, she routinely hires some of the best in the business across various departments. Even as recent as last year.

 

Unless she just has the worst luck, I'm not buying that they "all of a sudden" become ineffective when they join Parkwood. 

 

The constant throughline is that they report into...her. 

 

The artist-led management structure is the way forward IMO, but like I said it has its drawbacks when you have a non-manager at the helm. It's like sports, the players can be amazing and wholly capable (for the most part), but if the coach give them a meh strategy (such as fundamentally not promoting, performing, or using social media to optimal effect), there's only so much that can happen. 

 

If for example, it's Bey staging a stand-off about this theatrical release, just know that a traditional manager (who she, in many ways would be answering to), would get her and the situation in check more than a salaried "head of operations" who answers to...her. 

Edited September 1, 2023 by Cbreezy

[Planet Mars]

Was that T. Swift thread necessary? Some of y'all do seem kind of pressed, this isnt a competition 

[Yonceage]

Beyoncé is one of the greatest musical, visual and performance artists that we've ever seen in the mainstream entertainment industry. However she's a mediocre businesswoman who sometimes gets it right but mostly messes up. Thankfully she has a brand massive enough to shelter her from the worst consequences of her bad business decisions. As far as her legacy goes, she's untouchable and everyone but the stans will forget and forgive her fumbles. 

[Demiboyx]

Just now, Cbreezy said:

Respectfully...nah. 

 

Not professing to know it all, but as someone who has been hugely interested in the backend of Bey's operations since she came out, she routinely hires some of the best in the business across various departments. Even as recent as last year.

 

Unless she just has the worst luck, I'm not buying that they "all of a sudden" become ineffective when they join Parkwood. 

 

The constant throughline is that they report into...her. 

 

The artist-led management structure is the way forward IMO, but like I said it has its drawbacks when you have a non-manager at the helm. It's like sports, the players can be amazing and wholly capable (for the most part), but if the coach give them a meh strategy (such as fundamentally not promoting, performing, or using social media to optimal effect), there's only so much that can happen. 

 

If for example, it's Bey staging a stand-off about this theatrical release, just know that a traditional manager (who she, in many ways would be answering to), would get her and the situation in check more than a salaried "head of operations" who answers to be even has the scope to. 

Sorry but just because she hires from Goldman and JP Morgan doesn’t mean that they would know all about how to rollout a Beyoncé project.
 

She needs a team who are able to marry her creative output with a commercial output and from what we’ve seen so far, it’s not this team.

 

 

[Cbreezy]

7 minutes ago, Demiboyx said:

Sorry but just because she hires from Goldman and JP Morgan doesn’t mean that they would know all about how to rollout a Beyoncé project.
 

She needs a team who are able to marry her creative output with a commercial output and from what we’ve seen so far, it’s not this team.

 

 

But guess who has to be smart enough to put them in place and ensure they deliver to an optimal level...Beyonce. 

 

With all due respect, I'm not getting what's not computing about this point. 

 

I'm as big of a stan as they come, but it really is ok to not BS about our fave's shortcomings. 

 

Bey has run Parkwood since 4. Like any business, she's got it right, she's got it wrong, got it right again, and wrong again. It's literally part of the dance. 

 

But, I'm sorry, it's not right for us to blame everyone but her when ish goes wrong but praise primarily her for when it goes right. 

 

That's blind stanning IMO. 

 

I am totally down with the idea that there's room for improvement and industry-savvy minds she can add to her ship, but that's the key thing: it's her ship, that she's driving. Part of being a boss is identifying your players, giving them a strategy to deploy on, and overseeing to ensure it's optimal. An artist-led ship will always encounter these occasional issues because there is no feasible way to be 100% over your artistry while being 100% over your business while being 100% clued up on the dos and don'ts of both. 

Edited September 1, 2023 by Cbreezy

[Lovett]

16 minutes ago, Planet Mars said:

Was that T. Swift thread necessary? Some of y'all do seem kind of pressed, this isnt a competition 

It had literally nothing to do with Beyoncé, nor a competition. I thought the topic was interesting, so created the thread. Some of you need to stop worrying about other fanbases' opinions on here.

[Demiboyx]

3 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

But guess who has to be smart enough to put them in place and ensure they deliver to an optimal level...Beyonce. 

 

With all due respect, I'm not getting what's not computing about this point. 

 

I'm as big of a stan as they come, but it really is ok to not BS about our fave's shortcomings. 

 

Bey has run Parkwood since 4. Like any business, she's got it right, she's got it wrong, got it right again, and wrong again. It's literally part of the dance. 

 

But, I'm sorry, it's not right for us to blame everyone but her when ish goes wrong but praise primarily her for when it goes right. 

 

That's blind stanning IMO. 

 

I am totally down with the idea that there's room for improvement and industry-savvy minds she can add to her ship, but that's the key thing: it's her ship, that she's driving. Part of being a boss is identifying your players, giving them a strategy to deploy on, and overseeing to ensure it's optimal. An artist-led ship will always encounter these occasional issues because there is no feasible way to be 100% over your artistry while being 100% over your business while being 100% clued up on the dos and don'ts of both. 

It’s kind of far fetched to think that she’s hiring these people on a salary just to say no to their every decision, when we can clearly see Yvette and co’s sign offs on the badly botched pr statements and other bad marketing decisions. I can see Beyoncé’s doing as well but if she has a team of yes men around her like you’re suggesting we’re even more doomed than we thought.

[Kristie Kuwa]

For starters: 

When a company wins/loses, its always the CEO who is being called out as a representative.

So Parkwood doing a bad job is directly Bey doing a bad job. They win together, they lose together, and Bey is always on the forefront

 

Homegirl is gifted with beauty, creativity, musical prowess, charisma, etc, but a business-major she is not

Edited September 1, 2023 by Kristie Kuwa

[tachiwaka]

22 hours ago, BnPac said:

You can't be mad at other artists for taking things further just like we can't be mad at Alexander Graham Bell for taking things further and giving us the telephone. 

I’m 22 hours and like 30 pages late but this took me out last night 

[tachiwaka]

10 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

But guess who has to be smart enough to put them in place and ensure they deliver to an optimal level...Beyonce. 

 

With all due respect, I'm not getting what's not computing about this point. 

 

I'm as big of a stan as they come, but it really is ok to not BS about our fave's shortcomings. 

 

Bey has run Parkwood since 4. Like any business, she's got it right, she's got it wrong, got it right again, and wrong again. It's literally part of the dance. 

 

But, I'm sorry, it's not right for us to blame everyone but her when ish goes wrong but praise primarily her for when it goes right. 

 

That's blind stanning IMO. 

 

I am totally down with the idea that there's room for improvement and industry-savvy minds she can add to her ship, but that's the key thing: it's her ship, that she's driving. Part of being a boss is identifying your players, giving them a strategy to deploy on, and overseeing to ensure it's optimal. An artist-led ship will always encounter these occasional issues because there is no feasible way to be 100% over your artistry while being 100% over your business while being 100% clued up on the dos and don'ts of both. 

I’m with you. It’s been said over and over here at different times, but it is unrealistic to expect her immense vocal and creative talents to translate to an immense business acumen as well. She clearly has some business sense but everyone can’t be everything all at once, which is why you have a team in place that should have their expertise respected and utilized. 

 

I literally have my bachelors in Journalism and Creative Writing AND have my MBA (masters), and I’m constantly challenged by my boss and team when I provide edits to presentations or when I provide literal data for why a project shouldn’t move forward. That’s how hierarchy works. If she doesn’t want to do it, despite the advice, she won’t do it. All of you in here with your business and marketing suggestions really think Parkwood teams don’t have the same or better ideas that just don’t get executed?

 

But I also have a few folks on my team who could get gone so maybe her team just sucks, who knows 

[ICLDXU4HS]

That edgelordic fashion photographer girly supposedly being the sole director is so unthrilling to me, Idk.

 

[Blue Rose]

1 hour ago, Cbreezy said:

I know we love Bey, but we can't keep blaming Parkwood when she heads it up lol.

When we say Parkwood, we mean the 4x AOTY loser. Don’t you worry  

[ScorpiosGroove]

7 minutes ago, ICLDXU4HS said:

That edgelordic fashion photographer girly supposedly being the sole director is so unthrilling to me, Idk.

 

why ? everything we’ve seen visual wise this era has been nothing but serves, why would that change now ? plus she seems to be a Kubrick stan which is a good sign 

 

 

i just hope frederik heyman contributed to the film too and they somehow blend his futuristic 3D elements with Nadia’s more vintage / glam approach 

[ScorpiosGroove]

i give it 2 days until y’all start ranking film directors  

[Blue Rose]

40 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Homegirl is gifted with beauty, creativity, musical prowess, charisma, etc, but a business-major she is not

she is genius when it comes to her music but for everything else she has the brain of a frog