PrudenceHCharmed Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 11 hours ago, Devin said: She may not retire but I suspect 5+ year hiatuses. I can see this too. But honestly all her albums have 2-3 years gap. It's crazy to think that every MPG are having more albums than her, and even Ariana/Gaga are almost in their 7th era; so whenever everyone brings up sales, it isn't fair to her because she had the least among them. 1. DIL - B'day (3 years+) 2. Bday - SF (2 years) 3. SF-4 (2.5 years) 4. 4-ST (2.5 years) 5. ST-Lem (2.5 years) 6. Lem-REN (6 years; with 3 side projects)
PrudenceHCharmed Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 If y'all think the tour is coming, doesn't that mean Act 2 and 3 is not coming any sooner? Unless she name it differently, I don't think the second and third part of the project is coming if she's touring under The RENAISSANCE World Tour. I hope I'm wrong though.
Pepo Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Cbreezy said: THIS! 4 ties Ren as my favorite album from Bey, but boy oh boy did it have some weird tracklisting and single choices. The fact Schoolin Life and Dance For You started out as **bonus tracks** before the tracklist overhaul years later will forever perplex me. Schoolin Life would have seen such an easy win for her as a single. Urban enough for her core, Pop enough for mainstream, and lyrically universal enough for everyone. On top of that, it predates the Bruno Mars boom with the nostalgic sound, so in its own way would have been quite fresh for the time. I'd have with that or End of Time as lead. She generally gets a slight pass because despite 4 being the immaculate album it is, she was clearly transitioning out of her previous means of working an album (typical Pop star template) into the more renegade trajectory that would follow. So there were bound to be mistakes/mishaps/overthinking. She did it on purpose. She intentionally placed some of her favourite songs as bonus tracks lol. I think it was revealed during her concerts at Roseland.
Cbreezy Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, PrudenceHCharmed said: I can see this too. But honestly all her albums have 2-3 years gap. I've always loved that she spaced out her eras just right. Enough to succeed, tour, have the effects of both marinate, then a brief break before repeating. It really set her apart from her peers who always were jostling for attention with yearly releases that ironically didn't hit as much as Bey's (sans their singles). BUT...between the side projects, pandemic, and changes in her personal life, I agree that we probably have to let anything we thought we knew about the 2-3 year thing go. Even this present era is so...unique. If she **really** is dropping 2-3 albums in what is essentially one album cycle, it re-writes everything we know and expect from her. On the one hand, it would be a really savvy way of adapting to the streaming era need to "feed the momentum machine" with more material at closer intervals and it'd really cement her streaming footprint for the next decade. But, because she's still a qualitative artist, I can see it meaning that there'll be a bigger gap until the next totally new era. Almost a case of "lemme give you more now, to give you less later". I can see her filling in the gaps with quick lil collabs, soundtrack songs, and (hopefully better marketed) side-projects.
Cbreezy Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, PrudenceHCharmed said: If y'all think the tour is coming, doesn't that mean Act 2 and 3 is not coming any sooner? Unless she name it differently, I don't think the second and third part of the project is coming if she's touring under The RENAISSANCE World Tour. I hope I'm wrong though. As Chart Hive, I'm hoping they have some clever way of making Renaissance the anchoring title of the three acts (so basically one big album done tastefully unlike Chris Brown's approach). The combined sales would presumably be huge, it'd make the era itself even more iconic, and present SO MANY cool marketing opportunities. From collector box sets (with all the acts) to a creative way of dividing the tour legs. Like, she could theoretically tour for 2+ years at spaced out intervals and center each run around a different act. She could even mix up live formats. Stadium now, something more intimate (to support the rumored acoustic act), and even go the residency route if she feels later. Put simply, she can do what the likes of Justin Timberlake (20/20 Experience) and Chris Brown have done before her and innovate like only she can.
Devin Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 48 minutes ago, PrudenceHCharmed said: If y'all think the tour is coming, doesn't that mean Act 2 and 3 is not coming any sooner? Unless she name it differently, I don't think the second and third part of the project is coming if she's touring under The RENAISSANCE World Tour. I hope I'm wrong though. True. But I always had a feeling she was gonna combine or include the later acts. Similar to how she did TMCSWT.
Kassi Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 I heard Move in the club for the first time yesterday and let me tell you!!! It went off!! People formed a dance circle and everyone busted out their best moves. I got to hop in during the sexy “me and my girlfriends…” line. So I was thotting it up, dancing real sexy and slutty like. Beyoncé is insane for this album! And even more insane for not promoting it like she did IASF. This could seriously have been the Thriller of our times, the album has a song for everyone.
Kassi Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 Never been to a Club Renaissance, but just that little bit of Move illuminated for me why they work. Renaissance is a dance album for real. Not like a Future Nostalgia or The Fame where there are some downtempo/ballad numbers. But like a full front to back dance your ass off until you sweat experience. The Renaissance World Tour might end being the most insane experience between Cuff It, Alien Superstar, Energy, Break My Soul, Church Girl, Virgos Groove, Move, Heated (ahhh! imagining the whole stadium yelling the outro), Pure (specifically, sorry Honey), and Summer Renaissance.
Kassi Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 Beyoncé you will ALWAYS be famous! The star that you are! Ok, now let me go back to nursing this hangover.
swissman Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 Curious if anyone knows the Beyoncé tracks nearest to reaching 100M streams on Spotify.
Lovett Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, swissman said: Curious if anyone knows the Beyoncé tracks nearest to reaching 100M streams on Spotify. "Spirit" and "Top Off", they're at 99.45M and 91.45M respectively. I try and keep on top of these in the 'Streaming' section of the receipts thread, FYI.
Shelter Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, swissman said: Curious if anyone knows the Beyoncé tracks nearest to reaching 100M streams on Spotify.
swissman Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 26 minutes ago, Shelter said: wow Top Off! lol
swissman Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 26 minutes ago, MrLovett said: "Spirit" and "Top Off", they're at 99.45M and 91.45M respectively. I try and keep on top of these in the 'Streaming' section of the receipts thread, FYI. ohhh thanks!!! I will look at this thread more often now!!
jane Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 She is doing well on Spotify, almost 50M monthly listeners again. Renaissance was absolutely necessary for her on that platform. This really should have been a visual album right away released on Netflix, imagine the streams, it makes me very sad to see such missed opportunities but i'll keep on trusting her and there are still two acts so let's wait and see.
Lovett Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, swissman said: ohhh thanks!!! I will look at this thread more often now!! You're welcome! @JoAddams is extremely helpful with posting new receipts in there too.
swissman Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) I was listening to that Wendy Williams Beyoncé interview some time after Michelle joined the group (and Farrah left?) that was going around Twitter and: I was really struck by Beyoncé answering Wendy asking why she didn't just go solo by saying she could have, but stayed in the group for Kelly's sake as well, not wanting to leave her behind. That was something I had never really considered, that it might've even been an option and that if it were, that would mean Kelly would essentially be dropped (assuming she didn't take her own solo venture). To me this is amazing. Another testament to the kind of person Beyoncé is and the sisterhood she shares with Kelly. (I guess another factor was the era was just getting started and it would be weird to just go solo during all that success but still...) Whenever I watch this performance I sort of imagine Beyoncé was a solo artist (as the rest are so far behind her and less interactive than other instances). It's interesting because she really could have went solo. She didn't need the other girls per se as far as a finished product goes, but she kept with it. AND NOW Beyoncé is one of only three people who have had 20 Top Ten hits in the US solo and with a group. (With MJ and Paul McCartney)... that's legendary. Edited January 8, 2023 by swissman
AxelFox Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 Y'all talking about hiatuses as if she's not currently in one already How many times did we even see her since BMS lmao
Cbreezy Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, AxelFox said: Y'all talking about hiatuses as if she's not currently in one already How many times did we even see her since BMS lmao Lol! I hear you, but why do so many fans forget the fact that BIK essentially came out of nowhere and proved that she was working diligently on her best visual to date the whole time she was out-of-sight after The Gift came out? Sure, the present delays are jarring af and a solo project demands more, but we know things are in major motion at this very second and reveals are imminent. So, I wouldn't really call this period a hiatus. Confusing? Off? Poorly timed? Sure. A hiatus? Nah. It's safe to say reveals (of some ilk) are imminent and in knowing concretely that she's touring etc, I think it's both fair and fine to look beyond this era in ascertaining what her plans will be post the Rennie cycle. Edited January 8, 2023 by Cbreezy
swissman Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 I think we can basically say that Beyoncé's silence means she's working. If she was really just sitting at home doing nothing, she'd be bored and post a Christmas note or outfit post something. It's weird because even in her off-moments she's more active...
SashaDevachelli Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 Listening to Blue in honor of the legend turning 11 and ugh, what a song. Almost makes me want to raise a child just to experience the joy and love this track radiates But then I remember babies cry and poop themselves and the feeling is gone
jane Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 16 minutes ago, swissman said: I think we can basically say that Beyoncé's silence means she's working. If she was really just sitting at home doing nothing, she'd be bored and post a Christmas note or outfit post something. It's weird because even in her off-moments she's more active... I have no doubt she is working for what's she is about to release for the next two years at least. I think what she learned since the pandemic is to plan for long term better instead of taking on huge projects back to back and tiring herself. She said that the whole Homecoming, then Black is King run made her feel tired after and it was a lot of back to back projects during that time, i bet she is not doing it like that again. The problem is Bey is known to change her mind on a project, scrap it and start all over again so in the end all the planning could end up being for nothing lol Mind of a virgo.
swissman Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, jane said: I have no doubt she is working for what's she is about to release for the next two years at least. I think what she learned since the pandemic is to plan for long term better instead of taking on huge projects back to back and tiring herself. She said that the whole Homecoming, then Black is King run made her feel tired after and it was a lot of back to back projects during that time, i bet she is not doing it like that again. The problem is Bey is known to change her mind on a project, scrap it and start all over again so in the end all the planning could end up being for nothing lol Mind of a virgo. yes that is the problem, but also solution to getting amazing, legacy worthy results. imo had she not taken the time to do ST as she did, she might've got some cute early 2013 hits (though neither Standing on the Sun nor Grown Woman seem like smashes to me) but by the time Miley dominated the Summer/Fall, and Katy came with Roar (and later Dark Horse) and Gaga ate up so much public discourse too with ARTPOP, I feel her era would be pretty much done, unless she still filmed a visual album and used that in Dec to lengthen her era...but it 1) wouldn't have the same impact 2) wouldn't have the same overall artistry of ST's music and 3) wouldn't be nearly as iconic. And this would have just solidified her as a pop icon rather than setting her up as a legend before Lemonade confirmed it. (imo) This is all speculation, but I think she always makes the right decision whenever she waits. ALREADY as a music video would've been nice in late 2019/early 2020, but a full visual album is far better and I think had a better impact on the The Gift's legacy than even if ALREADY was a minor hit. (not saying you've said otherwise I am just kind of rambling I guess). Edited January 8, 2023 by swissman
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