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[IBeMe]

On 21/06/2018 at 8:16 PM, Anticipating said:

El Dorado has higher CSPC than Joanne and Witness despite being a Spanish record  And people still try to say streaming doesn't matter.

This lol. Ppl are in denial. Streaming is the most important thing right now. 

12 hours ago, Eternium said:

It won’t let me update the Op  

MESS. Try this trick I do: when you edit the OP and then press "save" and it 503's you just click refresh and it should refresh the page with the edited info you saved. If it does not refresh and still gives u 503 then keep rfreshing...by the third refresh it should save it and load the OP all edited. Hope it works lol!

[Shakishaki]

Shakira transformed herself from a physical sales legend to digital sales legend to streaming legend
Her mind

[Lennox.]

On ‎22‎/‎06‎/‎2018 at 0:16 AM, Humoresque said:

 

Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie was NOT a radio-friendly album by any means. But it stays her masterpiece.

 

Fun Fact: It sold 469k in its first week, holding the female opening week record until Oops! I Did It Again in 2000.

What surprises me is how "low" debuts & opening sales weeks were for artists in the 1980's and 1990's, even for premier music acts.

For example, Madonna's "True Blue" debuted at #29; Janet Jackson's "Rhythm Nation" debuted at #28. Even Michael Jackson's phenomenally-awaited "Bad" didn't debut at #1 on the BB200.

 

In terms of the Female record, Prior to Morisette:

 

Janet Jackson's "Janet" debuted at #1 with 350K units in its first week in 1993.

 

Prior to Jackson:

 

Whitney Houston's "Whitney" debuted at #1 with 210K units in its first week in 1987.

 

Houston was the first Female artist to debut with 200K+ sales in an opening week up to that point.

[Humoresque]

10 minutes ago, Lennox. said:

What surprises me is how "low" debuts & opening sales weeks were for artists in the 1980's and 1990's, even for premier music acts.

For example, Madonna's "True Blue" debuted at #29; Janet Jackson's "Rhythm Nation" debuted at #28. Even Michael Jackson's phenomenally-awaited "Bad" didn't debut at #1 on the BB200.

 

In terms of the Female record, Prior to Morisette:

 

Janet Jackson's "Janet" debuted at #1 with 350K units in its first week in 1993.

 

Prior to Jackson:

 

Whitney Houston's "Whitney" debuted at #1 with 210K units in its first week in 1987.

 

Houston was the first Female artist to debut with 200K+ sales in an opening week up to that point.

Prior to 1991, the Billboard album chart was compiled based on a point system. Billboard reps would call record stores around the country and ask them what the top sellers of the week were, and then assign points based on this data. It was obviously prone to a lot of errors, one of which being that the industry assumed albums were like singles: they started lower on the charts and built up to their peak positions over time. This influenced people's perceptions.

 

In the Summer of 1991, Soundscan was used for the first time in order to compile the Billboard 200. Immediately, it became apparent that albums sold a lot more out of the gate than previously believed. Soundscan also proved what potent sellers hip-hop and country truly were.

 

The likelihood is that True Blue and Rhythm Nation 1814 were the top sellers their respective debut weeks. But all the data we can go on is what happened post-Soundscan, since we don't really have accurate prior sales data. Madonna's first post-Soundscan album was Erotica, which sold 167k in its first week (though this album was released during a period of relative backlash for her; it's possible that both True Blue and Like A Prayer sold more in their first weeks). janet. held the record for best female opening week for five years. In 1998, it was broken three times: first by Ray of Light, then The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, then Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie.

 

I'm not sure where you found the number of 210k for Whitney's opening week in 1987, because week-to-week sales weren't really tracked that well if at all, but honestly that sounds like a decent idea of what it would have sold out of the gate. Bad did debut at #1, however. I think Thriller may have debuted at #10.

Edited June 23, 2018 by Humoresque

[Movimento Perpétuo]

Shakira  

[Movimento Perpétuo]

wait a minute, did El Dorado has really sold 230k only WW?  
That'a too low for her, even with streaming. I actually thought it has sold more than 500k pure sales.

[HeWolf]

So basically Shakira has never flopped since 1995  

[Ghiles]

JLo is coming

[BabyBenzz]

legend

[Ghiles]

JLo has been published

 

Not AKA snatching Bionic with that 85% drop.

Edited June 25, 2018 by Ghiles

[.::Andreita::.]

Quote

Artists Ranking – Overall sales

Here is the sum of all the value released by each artist. The figures are given in EAS (equivalent album sales).

Please keep in mind that some artists are missing, because their analysis has not been done yet.

 

The complete list is available here. All figures reflect the value as collected at the time of the artist’s respective articles.

 

 

1. The Beatles – 405,737,000 (as of Mar 2017)
2. Michael Jackson – 323,741,000 (as of Sep 2017) (including The Jackson 5 = 381,193,000)
3. Madonna – 241,134,000 (as of Aug 2017)
4. Queen – 238,637,000 (as of Oct 2017)
5. The Rolling Stones – 237,135,000 (as of Dec 2016)
6. Pink Floyd – 229,426,000 (as of Jun 2017)
7. Led Zeppelin – 200,459,000 (as of Aug 2016)
8. Elton John – 196,130,000 (as of Feb 2018)
9. U2 – 194,519,000 (as of Aug 2016)
10. Céline Dion – 193,422,000 (as of Sep 2016)
11. AC/DC – 191,030,000 (as of Feb 2018)
12. Eagles – 171,069,000 (as of Dec 2017)
13. Mariah Carey – 167,149,000 (as of Apr 2017)
14. Bruce Springsteen – 157,024,000 (as of Jul 2017)
15. Bee Gees – 156,874,000 (as of Apr 2017)
16. ABBA – 156,623,000 (as of Nov 2016)
17. Eminem – 154,954,000 (as of Aug 2016)
18. Barbra Streisand – 152,498,000 (as of Mar 2018)
19. Whitney Houston – 151,693,000 (as of May 2017)
20. Phil Collins – 147,408,000 (as of Apr 2018)
21. Billy Joel – 146,695,000 (as of Oct 2016)
22. Fleetwood Mac – 144,842,000 (as of Oct 2016)
23. Bon Jovi – 144,095,000 (as of Nov 2016)
24. Bob Dylan – 142,291,000 (as of Oct 2016)
25. Metallica – 139,406,000 (as of Aug 2016)
26. Bob Marley – 135,464,000 (as of Nov 2017)
27. Aerosmith – 130,011,000 (as of Jun 2018)
28. David Bowie – 125,785,000 (as of Jan 2017)
29. Simon & Garfunkel – 123,913,000 (as of May 2018)
30. Guns N’ Roses – 117,930,000 (as of Mar 2018)
31. Dire Straits – 108,525,000 (as of Mar 2018)
32. George Michael & Wham! – 104,743,000 (as of May 2017)
33. Britney Spears – 100,827,000 (as of Feb 2018)
34. Backstreet Boys – 94,409,000 (as of Feb 2017)
35. Red Hot Chili Peppers – 90,968,000 (as of Mar 2018)
36. Nirvana – 89,182,000 (as of Jul 2017)
37. Rihanna – 86,846,000 (as of Nov 2017)
38. Enya – 86,457,000 (as of Feb 2018)
39. Coldplay – 84,997,000 (as of Jun 2017)
40. Adele – 84,148,000 (as of Mar 2018)
41. Green Day – 81,156,000 (as of Mar 2017)
42. Shania Twain – 80,479,000 (as of Dec 2016)
43. Linkin Park – 78,156,000 (as of Jun 2017)
44. Janet Jackson – 77,131,000 (as of Apr 2017)
45. Johnny Hallyday – 75,403,000 (as of Jan 2018)
46. Beyoncé – 74,052,000 (as of May 2018) (including DC= 120,803,000) 
47. Cher – 72,354,000 (as of Aug 2017)
48. Taylor Swift – 68,538,000 (as of Oct 2017)
49. P!nk – 62,872,000 (as of Oct 2017)
50. Michael Bublé – 62,165,000 (as of Dec 2016)
51. Meat Loaf – 61,962,000 (as of Jun 2018)
52. Justin Bieber – 60,877,000 (as of Apr 2018)
53. Usher – 59,493,000 (as of Sep 2017)
54. Oasis – 58,725,000 (as of Dec 2017)
55. Shakira – 58,621,000 (as of Jun 2018)
56. Jackson 5 & The Jacksons – 57,452,000 (as of Sep 2017)
57. Alanis Morissette – 56,955,000 (as of Jun 2018)
58. Drake – 56,880,000 (as of Aug 2017)
59. Lady Gaga – 54,236,000 (as of Mar 2018)
60. Maroon 5 – 53,781,000 (as of Oct 2016)
61. Nickelback – 53,300,000 (as of Jun 2017)
62. Enrique Iglesias – 52,785,000 (as of Sep 2016)
63. Black Eyed Peas – 52,721,000 (as of Aug 2017)
64. Paul Simon – 51,014,000 (as of May 2018)
65. Christina Aguilera – 50,732,000 (as of Mar 2017)
66. Norah Jones – 50,323,000 (as of Nov 2016)
67. Spice Girls – 48,458,000 (as of Mar 2017)
68. Bruno Mars – 47,668,000 (as of Oct 2017)
69. Alicia Keys – 47,321,000 (as of Nov 2016)
70. Destiny’s Child – 46,751,000 (as of May 2018)
71. Justin Timberlake – 46,471,000 (as of Feb 2018)
72. Ed Sheeran – 45,549,000 (as of Jan 2018)
73. Cranberries – 44,501,000 (as of Jan 2018)
74. One Direction – 44,467,000 (as of May 2017)
75. NSYNC – 44,033,000 (as of Feb 2018)
76. Avril Lavigne – 43,428,000 (as of Feb 2018)
77. Katy Perry – 43,292,000 (as of Mar 2018)
78. Jennifer Lopez – 42,910,000 (as of Jun 2018)
79. Foo Fighters – 39,306,000 (as of Oct 2017)
80. Miley Cyrus – 38,969,000 (as of May 2017)
81. Kylie Minogue – 35,753,000 (as of Apr 2018)
82. Kelly Clarkson – 34,863,000 (as of May 2018)
83. Amy Winehouse – 27,270,000 (as of Sep 2016)
84. Renaud – 21,965,000 (as of Nov 2017)
85. Gorillaz – 20,792,000 (as of May 2017)
86. Kendrick Lamar – 20,387,000 (as of Jan 2018)
87. Ariana Grande – 18,359,000 (as of Nov 2017)
88. Aaliyah – 17,933,000 (as of Feb 2017)
89. Selena Gomez – 17,129,000 (as of Nov 2017)
90. Arctic Monkeys – 16,821,000 (as of May 2018)
91. Sam Smith – 16,055,000 (as of Oct 2017)
92. Lana Del Rey – 15,459,000 (as of Aug 2017)
93. The Weeknd – 15,451,000 (as of Dec 2016)
94. Avicii – 13,772,000 (as of Apr 2018)
95. Fergie – 12,981,000 (as of Jul 2017)
96. Macklemore (& Ryan Lewis) – 12,199,000 (as of Nov 2017)
97. Demi Lovato – 11,925,000 (as of May 2017)
98. Will.i.am – 10,903,000 (as of Jul 2017)
99. Lorde – 8,336,000 (as of Jun 2017)

 

https://chartmasters.org/2017/10/cspc-most-successful-artists-ever-data-collector/24/

(This site is really interesting and analytical) 

 

 

Michael did this with a shorter discography than The Beatles and other artists on the list. 

Glad to see Xtina...

[Yog]

40. ADELE 

32. George 

91. Sam

 

[IndieKid]

Top five has me shook 

 

1. The Beatles – 405,737,000 (as of Mar 2017)
2. Michael Jackson – 323,741,000 (as of Sep 2017) (including The Jackson 5 = 381,193,000)
3. Madonna – 241,134,000 (as of Aug 2017)
4. Queen – 238,637,000 (as of Oct 2017)
5. The Rolling Stones – 237,135,000 (as of Dec 2016)

[manwhore]

obviously the old acts benefited from eras when albums sold allot and i mean allot.  I hope one day the industry figures out a formula to take into consideration inflation and music industry changes. 

 

 

Mariah and MJ are the only talented ones that deserved it all.

Edited July 12, 2018 by manwhore

[Timber]

Beyoncé is coming for all those rock legends in her way. 

[IndieKid]

Interesting that Beyonce is so high, since lot of the pop girls below her are supposedly "bigger" than her.

 

Edited July 12, 2018 by IndieKid

[Truffle.]

will chartmasters ever do nicki's sales

[Donquizote]

Adele, Madonna and Taylor

[filmman]

8 minutes ago, .::Andreita::. said:

32. George Michael & Wham! – 104,743,000 (as of May 2017)

George and Wham, but not Beyonce and DC? LOL

Edited July 12, 2018 by Travis Bickle

[TrillUSA]

No Nicki ? 

[Timber]

8 minutes ago, IndieKid said:

Interesting that Beyonce is so high. A lot of the pop girls below her are considering "bigger" than her.

Beyoncé gets a penalty for being Beyoncé on ATRL. 

 

 

Edited July 12, 2018 by Timber

[Timber]

Madonna is such a legend!! 

[Nachocheesechalup]

Britney Spears number 33 with 100,827,000  

[grAntVRIL]

Britney is higher than Adele n Taylor 

[IndieKid]

1 minute ago, Timber said:

Beyoncé gets a penealty for being Beyoncé on ATRL. 

 

 

I thought it was just an ATRL thing. After I got a taste of Twitter, apparently it's a pop stan thing period. They're just being edgy I guess.